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    Kidd wants out. Details on his knee injury

    http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/inde...4231266180.xml

    Nets: Kidd ready to walk

    Friday, July 30, 2004

    BY DAVE D'ALESSANDRO Star-Ledger Staff

    The Bruce Ratner Fire Sale continued in earnest yesterday, when the Nets gave away yet another piece of their franchise -- and their history -- by shipping Kerry Kittles to the Los Angeles Clippers for virtually nothing.

    According to a team official, Jason Kidd returned from his Mexican vacation yesterday and immediately requested a meeting with management at Ratner's earliest convenience, at which time the Nets' captain is expected to demand a trade.

    And to further illustrate the goals of the new ownership group, a close friend of Alonzo Mourning yesterday disclosed that the disabled center wants to attempt a comeback, but has been informed by the team that his services are no longer desired, as it would rather lop his salary off the cap after next season.

    Team president Rod Thorn, who in an afternoon conference call with reporters sounded as though he had his soul ripped out by a savage tax collector, attempted to spin the Kittles trade into a positive move that will allow his depleted team to fill the gaping voids at other positions while saving the $9.8 million that remained on Kittles' contract.
    "The purpose for us was very simple: We're obviously trying to restructure our team, and it's going to make it much easier after we make this deal," said Thorn, whose team received a second-round draft pick in the deal, which also included a $1.5 million payment to L.A.

    "I feel very confident we'll end up with a strong two-guard position, but we have other needs we have to address, and if we stayed the way we were, we wouldn't be able to address them. That in a nutshell is why we did this trade."

    The ramifications, however, could get very complicated -- and ugly.

    Thorn, whose team picked up journeyman subs Rodney Buford and Jacque Vaughn yesterday, said last night that his conversation with Kidd about the Kittles deal was brief.

    "I talked to someone who was with him," Thorn said. "I talked to Jason for about three seconds."
    Presumably enough time for Kidd to slam down the phone. While Thorn would not confirm Kidd's mood or whether a meeting was requested, Kidd's anger over the sacrifice of his backcourt partner was felt throughout the organization -- so much that it is now widely assumed that he will demand a trade.

    Agent Jeff Schwartz, who was traveling yesterday, did not return calls seeking comment. But another member of Kidd's inner circle predicted the worst.
    "He took the Nets' money because they told him they were going to try to win the championship -- false pretenses," Kidd's friend said. "Knowing Jason, he'll want out. I'd bet that he's not playing until they trade him."

    The Nets have now lost three of their top seven players -- Kenyon Martin, Rodney Rogers and Kittles -- and received no live bodies in return. They have also trimmed their payroll from $62 million to its present $47.5 million, and there is no guarantee that they are done hacking more salaries. It is possible, for example, that the Nets will buy out Lucious Harris, who has $2.65 million coming to him next season.

    It also appears as though they would dissuade Mourning from returning, even though he has been in the gym almost daily for the past two months. According to Zo's friend, he told the Nets that he would like to play again, and showed ample readiness with a strong performance at his charity game last week. But the team would rather see him retire -- thereby allowing it to save $12 million after the last two years of his salary come off the salary cap.

    Mourning's agent, Jeff Wechsler, said last night that a comeback from last December's kidney transplant "hasn't come up -- Alonzo made his comments earlier this summer that he has no plans to play, and I'd believe what Alonzo says."
    Thorn added, "He's been working out, and there's certainly no doubt that if he can play he would like to play...but it's too early to comment about it."
    When asked whether the bean counters would welcome Mourning back, Thorn's response was intentionally vague: "If he's able to play," he said, "I'm sure he'll be here."

    Kittles leaves New Jersey after 496 games covering seven seasons, in which time he became the Nets' second-leading scorer behind Buck Williams. He also had more steals than any other Net besides Darwin Cook, played more minutes than anyone other than Williams, and led the franchise in most 3-point categories.

    Still, Thorn referred to Kittles as "a role player. If you look at our team, we have spots to fill. By making this trade it puts us in a better position to fill other spots."

    Besides the Clippers' second-round pick next year, the Nets also get a $9.8 million exception that can be used only in a trade, but they are not likely to use it. To fill out the roster, Thorn has targeted Ron Mercer and Newark native Eric Williams, hopeful they'd be willing to split their midlevel exception, that extra $4.9 million fund that capped-out teams can spend on free agents.
    "There's interest on the Nets' part and the lure of New Jersey is attractive on Eric's part," agent Mark Bartelstein said yesterday. "I think he'd be a great fit in a variety of ways."





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    Re: Kidd ready to walk

    This is going to get really, really ugly for NJ. I expect Jefferson to follow suit, if Kidd does want out.
    Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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      Re: Kidd ready to walk

      Saw this coming. The Nets are falling apart.
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      • #4
        Re: Kidd ready to walk

        How much is the Pacers trade exception fom the Miller deal?

        Is it enough to get Zo?

        edit: Real GM lonly list the Primoz exception & that is 1.2. With Zo making 5.4 we would need to be in the range of 4 & Foster is the only guy we have there.

        It was a thought anyway.........
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        • #5
          Re: Kidd ready to walk

          IIRC the Nets cannot use the MLEor LLE if they are below the salary cap.
          Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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          • #6
            Re: Kidd ready to walk

            We could put together a nice pacakage and pick up both Kidd and/or Jefferson for Artest, Tinsley, Bender, Jones, Croshere, etc...

            Indiana trades: PG Jamaal Tinsley (8.3 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 5.8 apg in 26.5 minutes)
            PG Fred Jones (4.9 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 2.1 apg in 18.6 minutes)
            SF Ron Artest (18.3 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 3.7 apg in 37.2 minutes)
            SF Jonathan Bender (7.0 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.4 apg in 12.9 minutes)
            PF Austin Croshere (5.0 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.7 apg in 13.7 minutes)
            Indiana receives: PG Jason Kidd (15.5 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 9.2 apg in 36.5 minutes)
            SF Richard Jefferson (18.5 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 3.8 apg in 38.2 minutes)
            Change in team outlook: -9.5 ppg, -2.5 rpg, and +0.3 apg.

            New Jersey trades: PG Jason Kidd (15.5 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 9.2 apg in 36.5 minutes)
            SF Richard Jefferson (18.5 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 3.8 apg in 38.2 minutes)
            New Jersey receives: PG Jamaal Tinsley (8.3 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 5.8 apg in 52 games)
            PG Fred Jones (4.9 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 2.1 apg in 81 games)
            SF Ron Artest (18.3 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 3.7 apg in 73 games)
            SF Jonathan Bender (7.0 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.4 apg in 21 games)
            PF Austin Croshere (5.0 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.7 apg in 77 games)
            Change in team outlook: +9.5 ppg, +2.5 rpg, and -0.3 apg.

            And perhaps we could add in a draft pick or two as well....

            Our starting lineup would be:

            Kidd
            Miller
            Jefferson
            O'Neal
            Foster

            Almost guaranteed championship...
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            • #7
              Re: Kidd ready to walk

              Let the Artest and Tinsley for Kidd trade proposals begin.

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              • #8
                Re: Kidd ready to walk

                ILovethePacers, the Pacers were two games away from being in the NBA Finals. Why do you want to shake up the roster like that?

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                • #9
                  Re: Kidd ready to walk

                  ILovethePacers

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                  • #10
                    Re: Kidd ready to walk

                    Interesting enough, the following also works:

                    Croshere
                    Artest
                    Pollard
                    Tinsley

                    for

                    Kid
                    Jefferson
                    Collins


                    I would think about that one anyway.....hmmm...


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                    • #11
                      Re: Kidd ready to walk

                      yeah... maybe I got a little carried away...

                      I don't know if i could live without all of those players...
                      Here, everyone have a : on me

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                      • #12
                        Re: Kidd ready to walk

                        Kidd reminds me of Larry Brown. They both get to places and make a big (sometimes huge) impact, but it only lasts about four years and then a split is better for everyone.

                        That said, I loved having Larry Brown here and I would love to have Kidd. I know he has some injury problems, but if healthy, he would be a big upgrade the next couple of years.

                        The problem is what to trade for him. I am not opposed to moving Artest, but the Pacers need another forward back in return or we'll be too thin there. I also don't see any chance the Nets include Jefferson in any deal.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Kidd ready to walk

                          mmHmmm, No way we give Artest and Bender to a team in the eastern con. Let alone one of them...

                          Kidd is an all star, But he's aging.

                          I would rather have Tins he was the PG to get us to the Eastern Confrence Finals, and has been playing with this group of guys for years now. You don't want to break that up.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Kidd ready to walk

                            the only way I would consider Artest in a trade to get a Kidd is if Jefferosn is part of it, other than that no way.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Kidd ready to walk

                              interesting thought though, isnt Artest from Brooklyn area, arent the Nets moving there? UMMMMMM

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