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    I put together a quick rationale for trading Granger on a Minny trade proposal thread and wondered how many would support any or all of the following:

    Assuming Minny cant move up to get to Turner..........they then turn to Granger.

    1.
    Minnesota sends:

    Kevin Love
    4th pick
    16th pick

    Indiana sends:

    granger

    2.
    Indiana trades Troy Murphy to team X (plenty of cap space) for a future #1

    3.
    Indiana trades TJ Ford and Jeff Foster to Golden State for Corey Maggette

    4.

    Indiana selects

    DeMarcus Cousins
    Avery Bradley or Xavier Henry
    Bradley, Henry , George or Hayward

    5.
    Indiana signs Raymond Felton to a 4 year $25mm contract

    Pretty big roster overhaul in one summer

    Hibbert Cousins Jones
    Love Hansbrough McRoberts
    Maggette Dunleavy draft pick
    Rush Jones draft pick
    Felton Bradley Price

    Shaved $16mm off of 10-11 payroll getting us close to $50mm. Still plenty of cap space after that with Dunleavy falling off payroll.

    No star on the roster though unless Cousins becomes Dwight Howard

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    That is too much for Granger if you ask my opinion.
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    I think it is a good deal for Granger. I am in the minority but I am in favor of a trade w/ GS that I saw on RealGM of...

    Granger
    Hans
    #10

    For

    Ellis
    Randolph
    #6

    I know this probably belongs in the trade thread so I apologize.
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    I like it all, but you won't get a future #1 for Murphy I don't think and how do we sign Felton Spencer, outright?

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    I put together a quick rationale for trading Granger on a Minny trade proposal thread and wondered how many would support any or all of the following:

    Assuming Minny cant move up to get to Turner..........they then turn to Granger.

    1.
    Minnesota sends:

    Kevin Love
    4th pick
    16th pick

    Indiana sends:

    granger

    2.
    Indiana trades Troy Murphy to team X (plenty of cap space) for a future #1

    3.
    Indiana trades TJ Ford and Jeff Foster to Golden State for Corey Maggette

    4.

    Indiana selects

    DeMarcus Cousins
    Avery Bradley or Xavier Henry
    Bradley, Henry , George or Hayward

    5.
    Indiana signs Raymond Felton to a 4 year $25mm contract

    Pretty big roster overhaul in one summer

    Hibbert Cousins Jones
    Love Hansbrough McRoberts
    Maggette Dunleavy draft pick
    Rush Jones draft pick
    Felton Bradley Price

    Shaved $16mm off of 10-11 payroll getting us close to $50mm. Still plenty of cap space after that with Dunleavy falling off payroll.

    No star on the roster though unless Cousins becomes Dwight Howard
    too complicated and really dont think it would have a chance of comming to fruition
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    Default Re: Would this be enough for Granger

    I think it is a good deal for Granger. I am in the minority but I am in favor of a trade w/ GS that I saw on RealGM of...

    Granger
    Hans
    #10

    For

    Ellis
    Randolph
    #6

    I know this probably belongs in the trade thread so I apologize

    Now that I would take in a freakin heartbeat!!!
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    Just say no to Magette.

    You're not getting a first rounder for Murphy.

    The Granger to Minnesota trade is good, but I don't know if they'd go for it.
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    I'd strongly consider Danny and #10 for Love and #4 if it were on the table.

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    Danny & 10 for Love & 4? No way in hell.

    Danny for Flynn, 4 & 16? Maybe but I'm not even sure of that.


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    Danny & 10 for Love & 4? No way in hell.

    Danny for Flynn, 4 & 16? Maybe but I'm not even sure of that.
    Love is better than Flynn.
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    Love is better than Flynn.
    Not in our system & until proven otherwise Jim O'Brien is going to be here until he is not (yea I know that is pretty obvious but I don't know when he will be gone so until he is gone there is no point in giving him a player he won't play)


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    Not in our system & until proven otherwise Jim O'Brien is going to be here until he is not (yea I know that is pretty obvious but I don't know when he will be gone so until he is gone there is no point in giving him a player he won't play)
    This is backwards unless you're convinced Jim will out-last the player coming in.

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    Danny & 10 for Love & 4? No way in hell.

    Danny for Flynn, 4 & 16? Maybe but I'm not even sure of that.
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    Thank you for a voice of reason

    If they traded Danny and the number 10 for Love/four I would be done with the Pacers until they had new management from top to bottom
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    The Minny deal is more than enough (if not lopsided in the Pacers
    favor). But I wouldn't take Cousins at #4 in that scenario. I'd prolly
    either take Johnson or Aminu or try and trade back into the 6-8 zone
    to do it.

    A rotation up front of Hibbs-Cousins-Love and Hans would be too
    lacking in athleticism/defensive flexibility.

    Note: I'm talking the Nappy Rootz deal (DG for Love, #4 and #16).
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    Why do people want to trade Granger? He's the last guy this team needs to trade.

    I'm glad he's off limits.

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    This is backwards unless you're convinced Jim will out-last the player coming in.
    I have no idea how long O'Brien is going to be here, so yeah until I know he is gone then I don't want them taking on players he won't play or will only play in limited min.

    If you think he won't play Hibbert now can you imagine if Love was an option for him? It would be one or the other not both.


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    O'Brien wouldnt play Love?.... I am sure he would see potential in this stat;

    09/10 3PM 35 A 106

    No its not perfect, but perhaps with a lot of hard work (see: Mcroberts' Miller/Bird 3pt shooting reccomendation) he could one day be the stretch forward we need to take us beyond the Murphy years.

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    I'd do Love, Flynn (or Rubio), and the #4 for Granger but thats about it. The guy is really being taken advantage of around here for being a 25ppg player. He's not completely untradeable, but its going to/should take a lot to get him out of the Pacers hands.
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    I don't think trading Granger is the answer to our problems by any means...

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    Why do people want to trade Granger? He's the last guy this team needs to trade.

    I'm glad he's off limits.
    Agreed.

    Every year, without fail, people fall in love with the idea of a high draft pick, thinking it automatically guarantees a superstar player. If Danny was in this year's draft and everyone knew how good he'd be, where do you think he'd be drafted? I'd say no lower than #3 and quite likely at #2 depending on how you think he compares to Turner. That said, we don't even KNOW how good Wall will be.

    We messed up by winning meaningless games at the end of the season. You don't turn around and trade your best player to get what you could have by simply shutting it down when you should have. And before anyone says anything I don't mean tanking, I just mean playing for the future (playing young guys, resting Danny etc).

    None of these picks are guaranteed successes in the NBA. Danny is, as has been proven. He's not old, he's a good character guy and he wants to be here. We have an avenue in which to get better with our expirings.

    People need to put things in perspective.
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    I dont really want to trade him either and I said before that these megadeals are almost won by the team that acquires the best player.

    But Granger will already be 28 next year and JOB loves to play him 38 min + .

    Is he still going to be an All Star when we finalyy have the talent around him to play meaningful games after Thanksgiving ??

    Minnesota HAS to get a franchise player this offseason................Granger is likely their 2nd option after Turner.

    No one wants Jefferson or his contract in a deal like that............just as old and just as expensive and he plays no defense.

    That leaves Kevin Love and the 4th pick as the only reasonable offer MInny can make.

    Im sure they look at Turner first but if Philly balks ............Granger would make sense for them and break up the logjam of Love and Jefferson.

    As for taking anyone other than Cousins at 4..........I can't see the point in that. We need All Star players not more good college..........aveage or below average pro players . Johnson doesnt seem liek a star to me and although Im intrigued by Aminu........I cant see gambling on him at 4.

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    Agreed.

    Every year, without fail, people fall in love with the idea of a high draft pick, thinking it automatically guarantees a superstar player. If Danny was in this year's draft and everyone knew how good he'd be, where do you think he'd be drafted? I'd say no lower than #3 and quite likely at #2 depending on how you think he compares to Turner. That said, we don't even KNOW how good Wall will be.

    We messed up by winning meaningless games at the end of the season. You don't turn around and trade your best player to get what you could have by simply shutting it down when you should have. And before anyone says anything I don't mean tanking, I just mean playing for the future (playing young guys, resting Danny etc).

    None of these picks are guaranteed successes in the NBA. Danny is, as has been proven. He's not old, he's a good character guy and he wants to be here. We have an avenue in which to get better with our expirings.

    People need to put things in perspective.
    NappyRoots makes some good points. Granger is 28 years old. We know we are not going to be able to sign a superstar next year nor are we going to win the championship next year. So then Granger is 29. Next year there is the threat of the Lockout and if that last a year... Granger will be 30.... I know players can be pretty effective from 30 to about 33-34 but I don't think that would be fair to Granger. This is one of the main reasons why I hate taking 4 year players is because you have them during their prime shorter. Even if you take a 19 year old and it takes them 2-3 years to really start getting it they are still only 22-23 years old. Heck even the last few players that we drafted whom were 3 and 4 year players it still took them a while to get it and we still don't know if Hans does get it.

    Bottom line is we need to take some chances and make some moves. I love Granger with all my heart and I would be as sad as anyone if he were traded. However, I love the Pacers even more. I might be one of the few that thinks Wes Johnson might be very similar to Granger. I watched him a lot and I saw a lot of Granger in him, plus I think he can create his own shot a little better. I guess one of the main things I would try to do is see how serious Philly is about trading the number 2 pick and see if there is a way we can end up getting the number 2 and 4 picks in this draft. That would definitely speed up the rebuilding process. I know there are no grantees with draft picks but I also know that we have no real options in the future to improve this team. I know Granger is getting older. I also know that now is the time to really think about what is best for this team in the long term instead of always trying to put a band aid on an obvious gaping hole.

    I will leave you with something to just think about and you tell me if this sounds more interesting/exciting.

    We trade Granger for Love, 4, and 16.
    We trade with Philly and get Brand and 2 without giving up any additional draft picks.

    We draft Turner at 2, Maybe Johnson or Aminu at 4, Ed Davis at 10, and maybe luck up and get Bledsoe at 16.

    We could be looking at

    PG Bledsoe
    SG Turner
    SF Johnson or Aminu
    PF Ed Davis or which ever would be the best aviable big at this spot
    C Roy Hibbert

    It is a VERY young lineup but we would have all of them on cheap rookie contracts, they could all grow together at the SAME time, and in a couple years that could very well be enough to draw in an even better superstar with the salary cap room we would have.

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    I don't think trading Granger is the answer to our problems by any means...
    I concur.

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    I compare the Danny and the Pacers to Paul Pierce and the Celtics a few seasons ago.

    The Celtics knew that Pierce was a very good player and leader just like Danny and that's why they didn't move him, but they instead brought in good players to go along with Pierce.

    I'm not saying to go out and superstars, but bring in guys who will play well with Danny. Form our own big 3.

    We have enough talented individuals on this team (not including Danny or Roy) to trade and get a decent player or 2.

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