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Greg Monroe, Gani Lawal and Ed Davis are three of the top prospects

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  • #16
    Re: Greg Monroe, Gani Lawal and Ed Davis are three of the top prospects

    Originally posted by Pacers4Life View Post
    You guys are friggin' crazy... if they take ed davis... i will march on the fieldhouse. he's what, 6'9? 215 lbs <--- fact. PF? Whats a 215 lb scrawny PF going to do for our shotty inside D? We have no toughness down there and he will not bring that.

    Patrick Patterson on the otherhand stands a resounding 6'9 245. Polished game... boards the ball. Ya know, if we go with a big man.
    And this is coming ffrom a Gators fan...
    Did you ever see Chris Bosh in college?


    Tim Duncan? They weren't exactly strong and chiseled.

    Not drafting a guy because where there body is at as a sophomore in college is no way to draft, and is quite frankly, pretty stupid.

    Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
    Also I think people overlook the SKILL of being able to develop. Its one thing to have potential and another to make good on that. So when I see Patterson or Lawal or Udoh improve their games during the season or from year to year I at least know that's something they can do.

    I don't think Davis progressed this year, and I don't really see how people saw all this great play from him when he was injured for the most critical portion of the season.
    Udoh's also like 3 years older. You have to look at that big picture. I've never been overly impressed with Ed Davis's production, but for a 20 year old kid, you have to like where's he's at. The things that he's good at: rebounding, shotblocking, and defense; also happen to be some big needs in our froncourt
    Last edited by PR07; 05-26-2010, 02:41 PM.

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    • #17
      Re: Greg Monroe, Gani Lawal and Ed Davis are three of the top prospects

      I'm favor us taking Davis as much as I favor taking Patterson, Monroe, or Udoh.

      I was never really interested in Davis until a few weeks ago when I noticed us taking him in many mock drafts.

      Patterson, Monroe, and Udoh have been my top choices at #10 all along.

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      • #18
        Re: Greg Monroe, Gani Lawal and Ed Davis are three of the top prospects

        Originally posted by Pacers4Life View Post
        You guys are friggin' crazy... if they take ed davis... i will march on the fieldhouse. he's what, 6'9? 215 lbs <--- fact. PF? Whats a 215 lb scrawny PF going to do for our shotty inside D? We have no toughness down there and he will not bring that.

        Patrick Patterson on the otherhand stands a resounding 6'9 245. Polished game... boards the ball. Ya know, if we go with a big man.
        And this is coming ffrom a Gators fan...
        he weighed in at 227 pounds, just saying. i believe hansbrough weighed in at 234 pounds last year

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        • #19
          Re: Greg Monroe, Gani Lawal and Ed Davis are three of the top prospects

          Whoever posted those pictures of Bosh and Duncan...come on, those guys look about the EXACT same in regards to their size as they do now, unless you are taking into consideration Bosh's dreads that he sports these days. The fact is guys don't come into the league as finesse players and really bulk up. Sure if your Dwight Howard and all you do is dunk and try out some Ewing esc post moves you might find time to bulk up to help your game but look at guys like Gasol and Duncan and Dirk...they are no bigger now than they were 8 years ago in the league. The fact is we need toughness on the defensive end. We need a player who can body up and get stops...at the very least someone who will actually make it hard for bigs to score on us...or harder. I saw a quote on here by someone that said "He is LISTED as a good defender"(in regard to Davis). Well thats great to know. Have you ever even seen him play?? He could also be LISTED as I don't know...a dog lover...basically anything that anyone wants to say about him, its probably some UNC c*** muncher, the person who listed him as a good defneder...not my fellow Pacers fan. The fact is he is "listed" at 215 and is apparently 227 as someone pointed out, but regardless, yet another lanky big, very similar to Roy, slightly more polished and athletic, but none the less very similar and substantially more lanky. If you want some one who is a polished 4 and has some good size why would we not be talking about Greg Monroe?? I still think that he doesnt fully fill our needs, but who are we kidding...is there anybody in the 10th spot who really can fill a spot for us as a sure thing. Answer, no. We need a proven star who can bring some more fans to the games for starters, but ultimately help take the load off Danny at the offensive end and cause some sort of havoc as a 4 down on the defensive end. Of course this is a long shot to say the least. There is hardly any pull to Indy these days, but if we want to even start uttering playoffs again we need a solid 4 and a point guard who can actually see the floor. How to make all this happen...who knows, if I was the one getting paid for making those choices though I know I wouldn't be thinking Ed Davis....and I wouldn't have been thinking psycho T last year, but that's just me...isn't it weird we took a 4 last year and still we are all on here talking about 4's again this year?? pg's taken after 13 last year...collison...holiday...lawson... teague...maynor...just saying....
          Last edited by GodLovesGranger; 05-27-2010, 12:35 AM.

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          • #20
            Re: Greg Monroe, Gani Lawal and Ed Davis are three of the top prospects

            Originally posted by GodLovesGranger View Post
            The fact is we need toughness on the defensive end. We need a player who can body up and get stops...at the very least someone who will actually make it hard for bigs to score on us...or harder.

            The fact is he is "listed" at 215 and is apparently 227 as someone pointed out, but regardless, yet another lanky big, very similar to Roy, slightly more polished and athletic, but none the less very similar and substantially more lanky.
            Just because you're not physically strong, does not mean you can't be a great defender. To say, "Ed Davis isn't big enough to be a strong defender," is one of the most illogical things one can say. PJ Brown, Kevin Garnett, Clifford Robinson, and Rasheed Wallace are some of the best frontcourt defenders of the past 15 years, and no one could say that any of those guys were physically imposing from a strength standpoint. Not everyone has to be built like Dale freaking Davis to be a defensive asset in the frontcourt.

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            • #21
              Re: Greg Monroe, Gani Lawal and Ed Davis are three of the top prospects

              Originally posted by PR07 View Post
              Just because you're not physically strong, does not mean you can't be a great defender. To say, "Ed Davis isn't big enough to be a strong defender," is one of the most illogical things one can say. PJ Brown, Kevin Garnett, Clifford Robinson, and Rasheed Wallace are some of the best frontcourt defenders of the past 15 years, and no one could say that any of those guys were physically imposing from a strength standpoint. Not everyone has to be built like Dale freaking Davis to be a defensive asset in the frontcourt.
              I am not saying "Ed Davis isn't big enough to be a strong defender". All of the guys you mentioned were certainly dominant defenders, Garnett still obviously is...Wallace, thats more questionable these days but regardless. Are you really suggesting though that Ed Davis is the next Garnett...or even Robinson?? If I even thought for a second we were in line to potentially get a Garnett type player I would have kept my mouth shut. The fact is Ed Davis is another player who would have probably gotten picked higher last year...went back for his sophomore year and was ...less than stellar, somewhat due to injury, but none the less he didn't impress me as a player, and certainly not as a defender or someone who fills a need for us. I don't think we are talking about the next Kevin Garnett here, I think he'll be another solid player in the league..another role player who is a good guy to have on your team, but not what we really need. So I didn't mean to disregard him as a player based on his size. Just not the player I'd like to see suiting up for the team next year.

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              • #22
                Re: Greg Monroe, Gani Lawal and Ed Davis are three of the top prospects

                Originally posted by GodLovesGranger View Post
                I am not saying "Ed Davis isn't big enough to be a strong defender". All of the guys you mentioned were certainly dominant defenders, Garnett still obviously is...Wallace, thats more questionable these days but regardless. Are you really suggesting though that Ed Davis is the next Garnett...or even Robinson?? If I even thought for a second we were in line to potentially get a Garnett type player I would have kept my mouth shut. The fact is Ed Davis is another player who would have probably gotten picked higher last year...went back for his sophomore year and was ...less than stellar, somewhat due to injury, but none the less he didn't impress me as a player, and certainly not as a defender or someone who fills a need for us. I don't think we are talking about the next Kevin Garnett here, I think he'll be another solid player in the league..another role player who is a good guy to have on your team, but not what we really need. So I didn't mean to disregard him as a player based on his size. Just not the player I'd like to see suiting up for the team next year.
                No one said he's the next Garnett, nor is anyone even implying that. Your previous post seemed to indicate that you have a bias against "lanky" players because they cannot get stops or 'body up'. I'm saying that just because someone is lanky, it doesn't necessarily diminish their defensive effectiveness. One can be a great defender and not necessarily be bulky. Whether Davis looks like Ben Wallace or Tayshaun Prince it shouldn't really matter, if he can play defense, he can play defense.

                I've never been overly impressed with his production, but he was battling injury and is only 20 years old, and it really was a down year for UNC in terms of their talent level all-around.

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                • #23
                  Re: Greg Monroe, Gani Lawal and Ed Davis are three of the top prospects

                  Originally posted by PR07 View Post
                  I'm saying that just because someone is lanky, it doesn't necessarily diminish their defensive effectiveness. One can be a great defender and not necessarily be bulky. Whether Davis looks like Ben Wallace or Tayshaun Prince it shouldn't really matter, if he can play defense, he can play defense.
                  I definitely agree. I wasn't trying to say all lanky players should be discredited or can't be great defenders, just that I think Ed Davis' size is his defensive downfall. He got 2.7 blocks a game last year, which is solid but Hibbert had 2.4 his senior year and that definitely hasn't quite translated to the NBA game. Pau Gasol is a pretty solid defender as far as his skill set, but we are seeing him get picked apart by Amare these last two games because Amare can push him around and get to his spots, that doesn't make Gasol a bad defender, but his size certainly is not serving him well. This day and age guys are really getting bigger and faster and stronger and I don't think that is everything...but it is certainly something, and right now we really have no one on our team with any kind of solid size.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Greg Monroe, Gani Lawal and Ed Davis are three of the top prospects

                    Davis is taller, more athletic, has better hands, plays better help defense, can play both the 4 and the 5, and defends the lane better, and is younger.

                    Lawal is stronger, can defend physical players better, has much better offensive footwork, is not as soft, is more mature, and has quicker feet.

                    Honestly both are a little risky. Davis has higher upside and fits the needs of the team better, imo. I think Lawal is duplicative of Hansbrough in terms of size and the role they will play in the NBA. Davis is at least a different kind of player.

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