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    Default Re: hansbrough still has vertigo

    Addreses the elephant in the room, but nothing new.
    No recent comment other then to say he is working out hard.
    We know all this through other stories the past few weeks.
    We just need to keep our fingers crossed this is almost over for him.
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    Jim O'Brien's comments are about a month old and that is the only thing in the article that indicates that Tyler still has vertigo. He probably does still have it, but I think the title of this thread is a little deceiving IMO

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    Jim O'Brien's comments are about a month old and that is the only thing in the article that indicates that Tyler still has vertigo. He probably does still have it, but I think the title of this thread is a little deceiving IMO
    im only going off what was said in the article, "Tyler is going to be fine," O'Brien said during an interview on NBA TV. "He's having a good summer. He still has a little vertigo. That's something you're not 100 percent sure exactly when it's going to clear up."
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    I mean both the blog and the article by Wells are just summaries of what's been happening for the masses, maybe. It's mostly just stuff the die hards already knew, because it was out there.

    Wells just pieced some of it together and made it more accessible for a larger audience, imo. All of it's covered in PD threads over the summer, pretty extensively.

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    Jim O'Brien's comments are about a month old and that is the only thing in the article that indicates that Tyler still has vertigo. He probably does still have it, but I think the title of this thread is a little deceiving IMO
    Agreed, which is why it now display the article's title instead. When I saw the original title, I thought there was an update saying he still has it, which is a bit different.

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    I'm somewhat encouraged by the talk from the Doc about re-calibrating your body to adjust to the vertigo, which essentially makes it go away. What Tyler's doing right now is probably gradually doing that. The wild card is what happens when contact is re-introduced.

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    im only going off what was said in the article, "Tyler is going to be fine," O'Brien said during an interview on NBA TV. "He's having a good summer. He still has a little vertigo. That's something you're not 100 percent sure exactly when it's going to clear up."
    Understood. It's just that the quote from Jim was taken weeks ago, so it's a little bit outdated now.

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    I think it's a worthwhile article because he takes the only facts we have, Jim saying that Hands has vertigo, and he goes to a doctor to get as much info as he can. Detailing a solution is promising. Of course, we don't know if the vertigo is just a symptom of a greater problem, like post concussion syndrom.
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    Wells makes it sound like this is new info that Obie released this month, but we've known since before summer league that the issue was vertigo. I want to say we've known since like the All-Star Break. Am I wrong in that?
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    Wells makes it sound like this is new info that Obie released this month, but we've known since before summer league that the issue was vertigo. I want to say we've known since like the All-Star Break. Am I wrong in that?
    Jim let is slip on his radio show, I'm thinking either in late Feb or very early march. there was a thread about it.

    Edit: actually it was March 4th.
    http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthread.php?t=51476
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    It sounds to me like he is putting in the work, but still experiencing some of the effects of the symptoms of vertigo -- which still leaves the question what exactly does he have? I take it they don't know for sure. And if the doctor quoted in the article is correct, vertigo is a condition that can be overcome with time.

    I hope he will return to the court for us, but the question is can he ever bang in the post again? If he is effected even in the slightest in this area, his career as we know it could be very well over. Time is the key here, and when he is allowed to have full contact we will know a lot more.

    It really sucks for us as fans, but it must really suck for Tyler. I pray he can get back to what he does, I know we all want to see the old Tyler back on the court ASAP!
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    It sounds to me like he is putting in the work, but still experiencing some of the effects of the symptoms of vertigo -- which still leaves the question what exactly does he have? I take it they don't know for sure. And if the doctor quoted in the article is correct, vertigo is a condition that can be overcome with time.

    I hope he will return to the court for us, but the question is can he ever bang in the post again? If he is effected even in the slightest in this area, his career as we know it could be very well over. Time is the key here, and when he is allowed to have full contact we will know a lot more.

    It really sucks for us as fans, but it must really suck for Tyler. I pray he can get back to what he does, I know we all want to see the old Tyler back on the court ASAP!
    Im hoping he recovers as well. He's a bang in the post type of guy so I just don't see him backing down. Time will tell all...

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    I think time has already told...
    The Pacers better rethink any plans they had of Tyler being a contributing member of this team.
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    I think time has already told...
    The Pacers better rethink any plans they had of Tyler being a contributing member of this team.
    And you're certain (enough to make such a comment) this problem doesn't simply take longer than other issues to recover from because.......?

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    I wonder though, if the brain has to readjust to movements..wouldn't it be best to have him practice with contact? (Just make sure no one wacks him in the head...)

    I hope the reports are correct. Kids don't play the way Tyler does if they aren't in love with the game...if they don't live and breathe it..and those are the types of kids you hope have a long career. I just love the players that get after it the way Tyler does.

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    It could be a matter of re-calibrating one step at a time. First simple movements, then normal-paced, non-sports movements, then higher-activity (like working out, running), then the sport at slow pace, then at full speed, then finally with contact.

    But admittedly I'm guessing. Still, I think it fits somewhat with what we're reading, and I think it makes some sense.

    Won't know for sure until it plays itself out, though.

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    And you're certain (enough to make such a comment) this problem doesn't simply take longer than other issues to recover from because.......?
    If the problem takes this long to recover from then I don't think it's the type of thing you do recover from. IOW, 'healing time' is not really the problem. It doesn't heal. It's something IMHO that will always be there. He may learn how to compensate some... he may learn how to minimize aggravating it... But I'm talking living life with it, not playing a rough and tumble fast-paced sport with it.

    I am not certain of my comment... But I'm certain enough of it to say the Pacers would be fools if they are making long term plans with Tyler in them. The pendulum has swung. They have to seriously entertain the idea that this is career ending or will stunt his game enough his value to the team will not be worth the roster spot.

    Yeah, he's here now, under contract, and they can play out the string and hope for the best but I wouldn't be turning down any trades or overlooking any draft picks because we already have Tyler penciled into that slot of the player we'd be getting.

    Seriously, what are we in... the 8th or 9th month of him suffering vertigo? This isn't going away...
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    Pacers should be cautious, but its hardly time to write the kid off.
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    I don't understand this bit:

    "A normal response to vertigo would be if you put your head on a bat and began running around in circles with the bat on the ground," Dr. Vincent Ostrowski of the Midwest Ear Institute said.
    Even after I dismiss the idea of breakdancing on top of Count Dracula from my mind, I don't see why he calls this "a normal response to vertigo" rather than "a means of simulating vertigo."

    Isn't what he means that if you spin around quickly using a baseball bat as a center point, that you'll get a feeling similar to vertigo? Or is he saying something else?


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    I don't understand this bit:



    Even after I dismiss the idea of breakdancing on top of Count Dracula from my mind, I don't see why he calls this "a normal response to vertigo" rather than "a means of simulating vertigo."

    Isn't what he means that if you spin around quickly using a baseball bat as a center point, that you'll get a feeling similar to vertigo? Or is he saying something else?


    Anyway, we can just wish the kid well.
    No, he just worded it poorly. I read that a couple of times myself.


    Listening to local sports talk radio yesterday (for about 45 minutes) the callers I heard acted like this was the first they had heard of this terrible news.

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    Pacers should be cautious, but its hardly time to write the kid off.
    I would not write the guy off, but I would not write his name into our long term plans in pen either. Just take a wait and see approach with the guy.

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    Even after I dismiss the idea of breakdancing on top of Count Dracula from my mind, I don't see why he calls this "a normal response to vertigo" rather than "a means of simulating vertigo."

    Isn't what he means that if you spin around quickly using a baseball bat as a center point, that you'll get a feeling similar to vertigo? Or is he saying something else?
    It sounds like he's saying that the way you deal with vertigo is the way we deal with gaining our balance after spinning around the bat. You kind of walk slowly and stumble and finally find your balance.

    Sounds like the doc is saying Tyler will ultimately find his balance--it won't be permanent. That's good. My fear is that another incident will simply cause it to reoccur.

    As funny as that previous thread was with pics of guys wearing head gear, I really think some kind of thin, soft helmet ought to be considered for Tyler. Kareem looked goofy when he chrystened goggles, but now they're standard. And RIP looked really goofy with that Darth Vador get up, but we all got used to it eventually.
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    I'm also guessing but it also seems that this is something one lives with, having good and bad days. I don't doubt that it will get better but it could be months or years and playing ball is not going to be what the doc ordered.

    The next few months will be all important for Tyler to decide whether to hang in or take a sabbatical from ball playing. This would be a big loss for the pacers because Tyler IMO can be a starting 4 on a team that needs a tough hustle ballplayer.

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