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  • #16
    Re: And now...Mock Drafts!

    here is the draft express mock draft

    http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2010/


    1 Wizards John Wall PG
    19 years old; 6'4"; 195 lbs.
    Kentucky, Freshman
    2 76ers Evan Turner SG/SF
    21 years old; 6'7"; 205 lbs.
    Ohio State, Junior
    3 Nets Derrick Favors PF/C
    18 years old; 6'10"; 246 lbs.
    Georgia Tech, Freshman
    4 Timberwolves DeMarcus Cousins C
    19 years old; 6'11"; 270 lbs.
    Kentucky, Freshman
    5 Kings Al-Farouq Aminu SF/PF
    19 years old; 6'8"; 210 lbs.
    Wake Forest, Sophomore
    6 Warriors Wesley Johnson SF/PF
    22 years old; 6'7"; 195 lbs.
    Syracuse, Junior
    7 Pistons Cole Aldrich C
    21 years old; 6'11"; 250 lbs.
    Kansas, Junior
    8 Clippers Ed Davis PF
    20 years old; 6'9"; 215 lbs.
    North Carolina, Sophomore
    9 Jazz
    From
    Knicks Greg Monroe PF/C
    19 years old; 6'11"; 240 lbs.
    Georgetown, Sophomore
    10 Pacers Ekpe Udoh PF/C
    22 years old; 6'10"; 240 lbs.
    Baylor, Junior

    11 Hornets Patrick Patterson PF
    21 years old; 6'8"; 223 lbs.
    Kentucky, Junior
    12 Grizzlies Donatas Motiejunas PF/C
    19 years old; 7'0"; 215 lbs.
    Benetton Treviso, International
    13 Raptors Daniel Orton C
    19 years old; 6'10"; 260 lbs.
    Kentucky, Freshman
    14 Rockets Hassan Whiteside PF/C
    20 years old; 7'0"; 235 lbs.
    Marshall, Freshman
    15 Bucks
    From
    Bulls Xavier Henry SG
    19 years old; 6'6"; 210 lbs.
    Kansas, Freshman
    16 Timberwolves
    From
    Bobcats Damion James SF/PF
    22 years old; 6'7"; 225 lbs.
    Texas, Senior
    17 Bulls
    From
    Bucks James Anderson SG/SF
    21 years old; 6'6"; 195 lbs.
    Oklahoma State, Junior
    18 Heat Larry Sanders PF/C
    21 years old; 6'9"; 205 lbs.
    VCU, Junior
    19 Celtics Gordon Hayward SF/PF
    20 years old; 6'8"; 200 lbs.
    Butler, Sophomore
    20 Spurs Stanley Robinson SF/PF
    21 years old; 6'9"; 225 lbs.
    Connecticut, Senior
    21 Thunder Solomon Alabi C
    22 years old; 7'1"; 251 lbs.
    Florida State, Sophomore
    22 Trailblazers Paul George SF/PF
    20 years old; 6'7"; 185 lbs.
    Fresno State, Sophomore
    23 Timberwolves
    From
    Jazz Kevin Seraphin C
    20 years old; 6'9"; 258 lbs.
    Cholet, International
    24 Hawks Eric Bledsoe PG/SG
    19 years old; 6'1"; 190 lbs.
    Kentucky, Freshman
    25 Grizzlies
    From
    Nuggets Luke Babbitt SF
    20 years old; 6'7"; 215 lbs.
    Nevada, Sophomore
    26 Thunder
    From
    Suns Elliot Williams SG
    20 years old; 6'4"; 175 lbs.
    Memphis, Sophomore
    27 Nets
    From
    Mavericks Willie Warren SG
    20 years old; 6'4"; 200 lbs.
    Oklahoma, Sophomore
    28 Grizzlies
    From
    Lakers Avery Bradley SG
    19 years old; 6'3"; 180 lbs.
    Texas, Freshman
    29 Magic Quincy Pondexter SF/PF
    22 years old; 6'6"; 220 lbs.
    Washington, Senior
    30 Wizards
    From
    Cavaliers Devin Ebanks SF/PF
    20 years old; 6'8"; 205 lbs.
    West Virginia, Sophomore


    Second Round
    1 Nets Gani Lawal PF/C
    21 years old; 6'8"; 233 lbs.
    Georgia Tech, Junior
    2 Thunder
    From
    Timberwolves Jordan Crawford SG
    21 years old; 6'4"; 195 lbs.
    Xavier, Sophomore
    3 Kings Miroslav Raduljica C
    22 years old; 7'0"; 230 lbs.
    KK FMP Zeleznik, International
    4 Wizards Dominique Jones SG
    21 years old; 6'4"; 205 lbs.
    South Florida, Junior
    5 Warriors Terrico White PG/SG
    20 years old; 6'5"; 211 lbs.
    Mississippi, Sophomore
    6 Pistons Artsiom Parakhouski C
    22 years old; 6'11"; 260 lbs.
    Radford, Senior
    7 Bucks
    From
    76ers Armon Johnson PG/SG
    21 years old; 6'3"; 195 lbs.
    Nevada, Junior
    8 Knicks Darington Hobson SF/PF
    22 years old; 6'7"; 205 lbs.
    New Mexico, Junior
    9 Knicks
    From
    Clippers Kenneth Faried PF
    20 years old; 6'8"; 215 lbs.
    Morehead State, Junior
    10 Pacers Craig Brackins PF/C
    22 years old; 6'10"; 230 lbs.
    Iowa State, Junior
    11 Heat
    From
    Hornets Jarvis Varnado PF
    22 years old; 6'9"; 210 lbs.
    Mississippi St., Senior
    12 Heat
    From
    Raptors Jerome Jordan C
    23 years old; 7'0"; 235 lbs.
    Tulsa, Senior
    13 Lakers
    From
    Grizzlies Sylven Landesberg SG
    20 years old; 6'6"; 185 lbs.
    Virginia, Sophomore
    14 Trailblazers
    From
    Bulls Trevor Booker PF
    22 years old; 6'7"; 215 lbs.
    Clemson, Senior
    15 Timberwolves
    From
    Rockets Alexey Shved PG/SG
    21 years old; 6'5"; 161 lbs.
    Dynamo Moscow, International
    16 Suns
    From
    Bobcats Sherron Collins PG
    23 years old; 5'11"; 190 lbs.
    Kansas, Senior
    17 Bucks Charles Garcia PF/C
    21 years old; 6'10"; 230 lbs.
    Seattle University, Junior
    18 Heat Dexter Pittman C
    22 years old; 6'10"; 310 lbs.
    Texas, Senior
    19 Spurs Jerome Randle PG
    22 years old; 5'10"; 160 lbs.
    California, Senior
    20 Mavericks
    From
    Thunder Greivis Vasquez PG/SG
    23 years old; 6'5"; 195 lbs.
    Maryland, Senior
    21 Thunder
    From
    Trailblazers Robin Benzing SF
    21 years old; 6'10"; 210 lbs.
    ratiopharm Ulm, International
    22 Celtics Mikhail Torrance PG/SG
    21 years old; 6'5"; 210 lbs.
    Alabama, Senior
    23 Hawks Nemanja Bjelica PG/SG/SF
    22 years old; 6'10"; 210 lbs.
    BC Red Star Belgrade, International
    24 Clippers
    From
    Nuggets Vladimir Dasic SF/PF
    22 years old; 6'9"; 225 lbs.
    Real Madrid, International
    25 Jazz Pablo Aguilar PF
    21 years old; 6'8"; 210 lbs.
    CB Granada, International
    26 Timberwolves
    From
    Suns Luke Harangody PF
    22 years old; 6'8"; 251 lbs.
    Notre Dame, Senior
    27 Pacers
    From
    Mavericks Brian Zoubek C
    22 years old; 7'1"; 250 lbs.
    Duke, Senior

    28 Lakers Lance Stephenson SG
    19 years old; 6'5"; 200 lbs.
    Cincinnati, Freshman
    29 Magic Andrew Ogilvy C
    21 years old; 7'0"; 240 lbs.
    Vanderbilt, Junior
    30 Suns
    From
    Cavaliers Derrick Caracter PF/C
    22 years old; 6'9"; 265 lbs.
    UTEP, Junior
    @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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    • #17
      Re: And now...Mock Drafts!

      Originally posted by Rupert Stilinski View Post
      I can't imagine Dunleavy would be worth retaining after his contract is up after this season. I hope they find a way to move him before this season is even underway.

      Hayward would be better than Jones. He would complement Rush and Granger very well.

      Of course the team needs a PG, but if they are going to consider taking another backup PF, they might as well consider taking another wing too.
      Dahntay has three years left on his contract. Do you look to trade him or just have him be a waste at the end of the bench behind Hayward?

      On the other hand, Murphy, Foster, Solo, and even McRoberts' (though I think they bring him back for cheap) contracts are up after next season.

      I think you go best player available regardless, but there would be more playing time and a bigger role for a big rather than a wing.
      2015, 2016, 2019 IKL Fantasy Basketball Champions - DC Dreamers

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      • #18
        Re: And now...Mock Drafts!

        Now that we know where we're gonna be, trade down however you can and get Bledsoe before Miami and pick up another middle talented guy with the second 1st rounder, whether that be a wing or a big depending on what we give for that trade. Then take on a project with the second round pick. If we get the Dallas pick go with the highest rated at that point.

        I would be ok with a line-up starting with a PG rotation of: Price/Bledsoe/Whoever the hell else
        Rush or Trade Acquisition/ 2nd pick/cheap pick-up
        Danny/Dunleavy/Cheap Pick-up
        Murphy/Hans/McBob
        Hibby/Foster/Solo

        This could all go to hell in a handbasket as soon as trades begin. After that all scenarios can change.

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        • #19
          Re: And now...Mock Drafts!

          here is the mynbadraft mock draft

          http://www.mynbadraft.com/2010-NBA-Mock-Draft


          1
          John Wall
          Ht/Wt: 6-4 / 182 lbs
          Position: PG
          Team: Kentucky
          Class: Freshman


          2
          Evan Turner
          Ht/Wt: 6-7 / 205 lbs
          Position: SG
          Team: Ohio State
          Class: Junior


          3
          Derrick Favors
          Ht/Wt: 6-9 / 230 lbs
          Position: PF
          Team: Georgia Tech
          Class: Freshman


          4
          Wesley Johnson
          Ht/Wt: 6-7 / 195 lbs
          Position: SF
          Team: Syracuse
          Class: Junior


          5
          DeMarcus Cousins
          Ht/Wt: 6-11 / 260 lbs
          Position: PF/C
          Team: Kentucky
          Class: Freshman


          6
          Cole Aldrich
          Ht/Wt: 6-10 / 250 lbs
          Position: PF/C
          Team: Kansas
          Class: Junior


          7
          Ed Davis
          Ht/Wt: 6-10 / 215 lbs
          Position: PF
          Team: North Carolina
          Class: Sophomore


          8
          AlFarouq Aminu
          Ht/Wt: 6-9 / 210 lbs
          Position: SF
          Team: Wake Forest
          Class: Sophomore


          9*
          Ekpe Udoh
          Ht/Wt: 6-10 / 240 lbs
          Position: PF/C
          Team: Baylor
          Class: Junior


          10
          Greg Monroe
          Ht/Wt: 6-11 / 240 lbs
          Position: PF/C
          Team: Georgetown
          Class: Sophomore

          11
          Patrick Patterson
          Ht/Wt: 6-8 / 235 lbs
          Position: PF
          Team: Kentucky
          Class: Junior


          12
          Hassan Whiteside
          Ht/Wt: 6-11 / 225 lbs
          Position: PF/C
          Team: Marshall
          Class: Freshman


          13
          Daniel Orton
          Ht/Wt: 6-10 / 260 lbs
          Position: C
          Team: Kentucky
          Class: Freshman


          14
          Donatas Motiejunas
          Ht/Wt: 7-0 / 224 lbs
          Position: PF/C
          Team: Lithuania
          Class: Intl.


          15*
          Xavier Henry
          Ht/Wt: 6-6 / 220 lbs
          Position: SG
          Team: Kansas
          Class: Freshman


          16*
          Damion James
          Ht/Wt: 6-7 / 227 lbs
          Position: SF
          Team: Texas
          Class: Senior


          17*
          James Anderson
          Ht/Wt: 6-6 / 195 lbs
          Position: SG
          Team: Oklahoma State
          Class: Junior


          18
          Solomon Alabi
          Ht/Wt: 7-1 / 237 lbs
          Position: C
          Team: Florida St.
          Class: Sophomore


          19
          Gordon Hayward
          Ht/Wt: 6-8 / 200 lbs
          Position: SF
          Team: Butler
          Class: Sophomore


          20
          Eric Bledsoe
          Ht/Wt: 6-1 / 190 lbs
          Position: PG
          Team: Kentucky
          Class: Freshman

          21
          Larry Sanders
          Ht/Wt: 6-10 / 220 lbs
          Position: PF/C
          Team: VCU
          Class: Junior


          22
          Stanley Robinson
          Ht/Wt: 6-8 / 220 lbs
          Position: SF
          Team: UConn
          Class: Senior


          23*
          Kevin Seraphin
          Ht/Wt: 6-10 / 260 lbs
          Position: PF/C
          Team: France
          Class: International


          24
          Luke Babbitt
          Ht/Wt: 6-8 / 220 lbs
          Position: SF
          Team: Nevada
          Class: Sophomore


          25*
          Paul George
          Ht/Wt: 6-7 / 190 lbs
          Position: SG/SF
          Team: Fresno St.
          Class: Sophomore


          26*
          Avery Bradley
          Ht/Wt: 6-3 / 185 lbs
          Position: SG
          Team: Texas
          Class: Freshman


          27*
          Elliot Williams
          Ht/Wt: 6-4 / 180 lbs
          Position: SG
          Team: Memphis
          Class: Sophomore


          28*
          Quincy Pondexter
          Ht/Wt: 6-7 / 220 lbs
          Position: SF
          Team: Washington
          Class: Senior


          29
          Willie Warren
          Ht/Wt: 6-4 / 207 lbs
          Position: PG/SG
          Team: Oklahoma
          Class: Sophomore


          30*
          Terrico White
          Ht/Wt: 6-5 / 210 lbs
          Position: PG/SG
          Team: Mississippi
          Class: Sophomore
          @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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          • #20
            Re: And now...Mock Drafts!

            second round

            31
            Gani Lawal
            Ht/Wt: 6-9 / 229 lbs
            Position: PF
            Team: Georgia Tech
            Class: Junior


            32*
            Devin Ebanks
            Ht/Wt: 6-8 / 205 lbs
            Position: SF
            Team: West Virginia
            Class: Sophomore


            33
            Jordan Crawford
            Ht/Wt: 6-4 / 195 lbs
            Position: SG
            Team: Xavier
            Class: Sophomore


            34
            Jerome Jordan
            Ht/Wt: 7-0 / 235 lbs
            Position: C
            Team: Tulsa
            Class: Senior


            35
            Dominique Jones
            Ht/Wt: 6-4 / 205 lbs
            Position: SG
            Team: South Florida
            Class: Junior


            36
            Darington Hobson
            Ht/Wt: 6-7 / 205 lbs
            Position: SF
            Team: New Mexico
            Class: Junior


            37*
            Craig Brackins
            Ht/Wt: 6-10 / 230 lbs
            Position: PF
            Team: Iowa St.
            Class: Junior


            38
            Miroslav Raduljica
            Ht/Wt: 6-11 / 240 lbs
            Position: C
            Team: Serbia
            Class: Intl.


            39*
            Armon Johnson
            Ht/Wt: 6-3 / 195 lbs
            Position: PG/SG
            Team: Nevada
            Class: Junior


            40
            Mikhail Torrance
            Ht/Wt: 6-5 / 210 lbs
            Position: PG/SG
            Team: Alabama
            Class: Senior

            41*
            Jarvis Varnado
            Ht/Wt: 6-9 / 210 lbs
            Position: PF
            Team: Mississippi St.
            Class: Senior


            42*
            Sherron Collins
            Ht/Wt: 5-11 / 200 lbs
            Position: PG
            Team: Kansas
            Class: Senior


            43*
            Artsiom Parakhouski
            Ht/Wt: 6-11 / 260 lbs
            Position: C
            Team: Radford
            Class: Senior


            44*
            Robin Benzing
            Ht/Wt: 6-10 / 210 lbs
            Position: SF
            Team: Germany
            Class: International


            45*
            Alexey Shved
            Ht/Wt: 6-6 / 178 lbs
            Position: PG/SG
            Team: Russia
            Class: Intl.


            46*
            Arnett Moultrie
            Ht/Wt: 6-11 / 225 lbs
            Position: PF
            Team: UTEP
            Class: Sophomore


            47
            Trevor Booker
            Ht/Wt: 6-7 / 245 lbs
            Position: PF
            Team: Clemson
            Class: Senior


            48
            Greivis Vasquez
            Ht/Wt: 6-6 / 197 lbs
            Position: PG/SG
            Team: Maryland
            Class: Senior


            49
            Pablo Aguilar
            Ht/Wt: 6-8 / 210 lbs
            Position: SF
            Team: Spain
            Class: International


            50*
            Sylven Landesberg
            Ht/Wt: 6-6 / 185 lbs
            Position: SG
            Team: Virginia
            Class: Sophomore

            51*
            Brian Zoubek
            Ht/Wt: 7-1 / 260 lbs
            Position: C
            Team: Duke
            Class: Senior


            52
            Dexter Pittman
            Ht/Wt: 6-10 / 290 lbs
            Position: C
            Team: Texas
            Class: Senior


            53
            Manny Harris
            Ht/Wt: 6-5 / 170 lbs
            Position: SG/SF
            Team: Michigan
            Class: Junior


            54*
            Tibor Pleiss
            Ht/Wt: 7-0 / 220 lbs
            Position: C
            Team: Germany
            Class: International


            55
            Charles Garcia
            Ht/Wt: 6-10 / 230 lbs
            Position: PF/C
            Team: Seattle U.
            Class: Junior


            56*
            Nemanja Bjelica
            Ht/Wt: 6-10 / 223 lbs
            Position: SF
            Team: Serbia
            Class: Intl.


            57*
            Luke Harangody
            Ht/Wt: 6-7 / 240 lbs
            Position: SF/PF
            Team: Notre Dame
            Class: Senior


            58
            DaSean Butler
            Ht/Wt: 6-7 / 225 lbs
            Position: SF
            Team: West Virginia
            Class: Senior


            59
            Lance Stephenson
            Ht/Wt: 6-5 / 200 lbs
            Position: SG
            Team: Cincinnati
            Class: Freshman


            60*
            Vladimir Dasic
            Ht/Wt: 6-10 / 226 lbs
            Position: SF
            Team: Montenegro
            Class: Intl.
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            • #21
              Re: And now...Mock Drafts!

              Originally posted by pwee31 View Post
              Are the Pacers really looking closely at Gordon Hayward?

              I would sincerely hope not! He answers no need.

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              • #22
                Re: And now...Mock Drafts!

                Originally posted by Rupert Stilinski View Post
                Hayward would help just as much as one of the power forwards that will be available to us.

                To be as brief as possible, I'll just say that statement is flat out wrong.

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                • #23
                  Re: And now...Mock Drafts!

                  [QUOTE=Rupert Stilinski;996855]

                  Rush, Granger and Dhantay Jones... is that really so good of a wing rotation that we shouldn't even think about taking another wing?/QUOTE]



                  So will Stanley Robinson, and he can be gotten in the 2nd round.

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                  • #24
                    Re: And now...Mock Drafts!

                    If the Pacers draft Hayward I would not really care if they move out of the city, I would go as far as helping them with the u-haul
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                    • #25
                      Re: And now...Mock Drafts!

                      Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                      If the Pacers draft Hayward I would not really care if they move out of the city, I would go as far as helping them with the u-haul
                      This may be the first time I've ever agreed with you.

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                      • #26
                        Re: And now...Mock Drafts!

                        Originally posted by SMosley21 View Post
                        To be as brief as possible, I'll just say that statement is flat out wrong.
                        Perhaps you shouldn't be so brief.

                        The guy everybody seems to be coveting, although I think he'll be gone before #10 is Udoh. Say he's not, and the Pacers take him.

                        So we go into next season like this:

                        Head Coach: Jim O'Brien

                        Power Forwards: Troy Murphy, Tyler Hansbrough, Josh McRoberts, Epke Udoh

                        Centers: Roy Hibbert, Jeff Foster

                        Murphy will get his obligatory 30+ minutes per game. Foster and Hibbert will get probably at least 35 minutes at the center position. That leaves somewhere between 18-31 minutes for Hansbrough, McRoberts, and Udoh. Most of you are high on Hansbrough, I'm not, but I think he needs to be playing if he's healthy. I think McRoberts can give us everything that we claim to "need" out of our power forward. He's athletic, can really run the floor, and can block shots. Realistically, is Udoh or anyone else at that position going to be demonstratively better than him? I don't know much about Udoh or any of the other power forwards in this draft, but I do know that every attribute we claim to need, he showed the ability to develop if given a chance. Why keep drafting power forwards when we don't know if we already have what we need? If you want to say for the future depth after Murphy is gone, ok maybe, but I don't think you get a high quality starter at #10 in this draft.

                        Now let's say the Pacers do something that I think would be the wrong move, but not nearly as outlandish as many of you seem to think, and take Hayward.

                        Next season looks like this:

                        Head Coach: Jim O'Brien

                        Shooting Guards: Brandon Rush, Dhantay Jones

                        Small Forwards: Danny Granger, Mike Dunleavy, Gordon Hayward

                        Granger probably keeps his 35+. Rush may keep getting 30 minutes per game, but I'd doubt it if Dunleavy is "healthy." O'Brien clearly doesn't want to play Jones as much as I think he should. Would Hayward be serviceable for the same 10 minutes or so that Udoh/insert name here would get? I don't know how you can say he wouldn't. He's long, he's a good shooter, and I think he will prove to be a better athlete than most people are willing to give him credit for.

                        Please note, I'm not advocating picking Hayward at 10, I'm just saying if we aren't taking a point guard, it makes just as much sense to take another wing as it does to take another power forward.

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                        • #27
                          Re: And now...Mock Drafts!

                          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                          If the Pacers draft Hayward I would not really care if they move out of the city, I would go as far as helping them with the u-haul
                          Originally posted by SMosley21 View Post
                          This may be the first time I've ever agreed with you.
                          I don't understand this line of thinking at all. Would he be the best pick for the Pacers at #10? I don't think so, but I'm almost positive that Hansbrough wasn't the best pick for us at #13 last year either and you didn't dump them then.

                          Hayward is a local kid, a good guy, and he has a good chance to be a very high quality complimentary player. Sure, that isn't what we're hoping for, but that doesn't seem worthy of dumping your fan allegiance. Does anyone think he can't at least be as good as JJ Redick?

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                          • #28
                            Re: And now...Mock Drafts!

                            Originally posted by Rupert Stilinski View Post
                            Does anyone think he can't at least be as good as JJ Redick?
                            nope
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                            • #29
                              Re: And now...Mock Drafts!

                              I'm surprised to see Greg Monroe within reach of the 10th spot in these mock drafts, he would be a steal if he fell that low.

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                              • #30
                                Re: And now...Mock Drafts!

                                Originally posted by Rupert Stilinski View Post
                                I'm just saying if we aren't taking a point guard, it makes just as much sense to take another wing as it does to take another power forward.
                                I have no problem taking a wing at #10. However, I have some qualifications that would need to be met by that wing. 1. He needs to be a scorer who can create his own shot. 2. He needs to be a real SG, not a SF. I need a guy to meet both of those or to be obviously the most talented player left. If Wesley Johnson or Aminu falls to #10, they fit the bill even though they don't fit my first two qualifications.

                                I really hate that I'm going to have to spend every pick between 4 and 9 praying and hoping that both Aldrich and Ed Davis get drafted.

                                Also, if Toronto does draft Avery Bradley and Bosh leaves and they can't find any takers for Calderon, I wonder if they'd be interested in getting Jack's contract off the books. It wouldn't be the huge talent upgrade we need, but I'd be really excited about watching a Jack/Price PG rotation next year.
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