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    Former Giants great Lawrence Taylor was under arrest Thursday in upstate New York in connection with a reported rape, according to WABC-TV.

    Taylor was accused of raping someone at the Holiday Inn Holidome in Suffern, N.Y., WCBS reported.

    Details about the alleged incident were scarce, and the chief of police in the town of Ramapo declined to confirm the report.

    Cops said more information would be provided at a 3 p.m. press conference.

    Taylor, 51, played for the Giants from 1981 to 1993 and was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1999.
    He also competed last year in ABC's "Dancing with the Stars."

    The former Giants linebacker had a minor run-in with the law last November when he was arrested for leaving the scene of a traffic accident outside Miami.

    Taylor has also been arrested several times on drug charges since hanging up his cleats in 1993, but has reportedly been living clean and sober since 1998.
    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_c...#ixzz0nA7Kmxk8

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    Re: Lawrence Taylor has been arrested for rape

    MSNBC has reported she was 15. UH OH...........
    You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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      Re: Lawrence Taylor has been arrested for rape

      Lawrence Taylor: I'm Innocent

      Originally posted 14 minutes ago by TMZ Staff

      0506_lawrence_taylor_BN_Getty_05Lawrence Taylor is proclaiming his innocence against an allegation that he raped an underage girl in NY this morning.

      TMZ spoke with LT's lawyer, Kenneth Gribetz, who tells us Taylor is adamant that he's not guilty.

      Gribetz also tells us LT -- who is still behind bars in the Town of Ramapo -- is "extremely upset about the situation."

      Officials will hold a news conference to address the situation in a few hours.
      Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0nAdDXxwV

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        Re: Lawrence Taylor has been arrested for rape

        Cops Find Condom in LT Investigation

        Originally posted 33 minutes ago by TMZ Staff

        0506_lawrence_taylor_EXD_Getty_03TMZ has learned investigators recovered a condom from the Holiday Inn hotel room where NFL legend Lawrence Taylor allegedly raped an underage girl early this morning.

        According to the Town of Ramapo supervisor Christopher St. Lawrence, investigators found LT asleep inside the room when they first arrived to the hotel.

        We're told cops recovered a condom as well as other physical evidence when they took LT into custody. Cops tell us they found NO DRUGS or paraphernalia at the scene.

        As for the accuser, cops confirm that she's 16 years old ... and that she was reported as a "runaway" from the Bronx back in March.

        Cops also confirm that the accuser was under the control of a pimp, who was arrested by the NYPD when he -- along with the accuser and a third person -- returned to the city today.

        Cops say the accuser had a "nasty" black eye that appeared to be "fresh" -- though it's unclear who attacked her.
        Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0nAdgt8X4

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          Re: Lawrence Taylor has been arrested for rape

          TMZ Sports
          LT's Wife -- My Husband Has Been 'Set Up'

          Originally posted 18 minutes ago by TMZ Staff

          0506_lawrence_taylor_EX_Getty_02Lawrence Taylor's wife is standing by her man while he faces allegations of rape -- telling TMZ she believes the entire incident is one big "setup."

          TMZ just spoke with Lynette Taylor -- LT's 3rd wife -- who tells us the allegations are "all bullsh*t."

          As for why she suspects a setup, Lynette claims that the timing of the arrest is suspicious because it came just days after LT was featured on an A&E documentary called "Fame and Recovery" which she believes "made him out to be a monster."

          Lynette wouldn't expand on who she thought could be behind such a plot, but she was adamant that the timing of the show and the arrest were no coincidence
          Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0nAdtODxh

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            Re: Lawrence Taylor has been arrested for rape

            Its says she in under control of a pimp....The pimp probably blacked her eye because she didn't get his money hence the rape charges. Thats just a theory...you never know.
            Larry Bird and Ryan Grigson- wasting the talents of Paul George and Andrew Luck

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              Re: Lawrence Taylor has been arrested for rape

              LT Allegedly Paid Accuser $300 for Sex

              Originally posted 14 minutes ago by TMZ Staff

              0506_lawrence_taylor_BN_AP_08Law enforcement sources tell TMZ Lawrence Taylor's accuser told police that the NFL legend paid her $300 for sex.

              As we previously reported, LT was arrested this morning on suspicion of raping an underage girl in a Holiday Inn outside NYC.

              Cops have already confirmed that the accuser was under the control of a pimp -- who was later arrested.

              Sources tell us the pimp was arrested on charges of unlawful imprisonment, assault and endangering the welfare of a minor.
              Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0nAiUjg8n

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                Re: Lawrence Taylor has been arrested for rape

                Do the Bengals need a linebackers coach?
                The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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                  Re: Lawrence Taylor has been arrested for rape

                  This will be just yet another incident (and it sure as heck isn't going to be the last) that proves that NFL fan loyalty is bulletproof no matter how much this kind of stuff occurs. A few incidents like this in the NBA happens and it's "I can't watch these thugs anymore. I've had it."

                  Yet this kind of "thuggery" occurs with the NFL almost on a routine basis and it slides right off of peoples' shoulders. They'll be watching, betting and playing fantasy football the very next week like clockwork. That's how much people love the NFL in this country.

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                    Re: Lawrence Taylor has been arrested for rape

                    Originally posted by d_c View Post
                    This will be just yet another incident (and it sure as heck isn't going to be the last) that proves that NFL fan loyalty is bulletproof no matter how much this kind of stuff occurs. A few incidents like this in the NBA happens and it's "I can't watch these thugs anymore. I've had it."

                    Yet this kind of "thuggery" occurs with the NFL almost on a routine basis and it slides right off of peoples' shoulders. They'll be watching, betting and playing fantasy football the very next week like clockwork. That's how much people love the NFL in this country.

                    While I agree with you LT is no longer in the NFL hasn't been for 15 years.

                    Now if it was a current player(like Ben Roethlisberger) then yeah that would be a PR issue.

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                      Re: Lawrence Taylor has been arrested for rape

                      Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
                      We're told cops recovered a condom ..........
                      Ewwwwwwwwwwww.

                      I guess being a cop isn't always glamorous.

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                        Re: Lawrence Taylor has been arrested for rape

                        So he picks up a prostitute, only to discover she's an underaged runaway? Is this a statutory rape case?

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                          Re: Lawrence Taylor has been arrested for rape

                          Originally posted by d_c View Post
                          This will be just yet another incident (and it sure as heck isn't going to be the last) that proves that NFL fan loyalty is bulletproof no matter how much this kind of stuff occurs. A few incidents like this in the NBA happens and it's "I can't watch these thugs anymore. I've had it."

                          Yet this kind of "thuggery" occurs with the NFL almost on a routine basis and it slides right off of peoples' shoulders. They'll be watching, betting and playing fantasy football the very next week like clockwork. That's how much people love the NFL in this country.
                          In the 90's, I don't think the NBA was considered a league of thugs. It was too busy idolizing MJ. IOW, it was popular. Movies were made, shoes were sold and burgers were eaten all with MJ front and center. Even before MJ, people idolized the Detroit bad boys and respected the way they played the game. It wasn't until Rodman took bad to a stupid/freak level that people turned negative.

                          2000 was the transition. Then we had Kobe and Shaq fighting like babies. Then we had rape charges against perhaps the biggest name in the game post-2000. Then we had Artest gracing the league and acting afool in front of the camera. Then we had the brawl...at the beginning of a very promising year for the Pacers...where virtually the entire starting 5 of the best team in the league (possibly) were suspended. It doesn't get more high profile in the league. Then we had another star player in Arenas with gun charges. All of this has really happened in a relatively short period of time and has involved a number of the best players in the league. Then there is the Pacer debacle where nearly everyone on the team within a 2 year span was involved in a league incident or a police incident...some of them multiple times.

                          Yes, the NFL seems to get more of a pass anyway. There are several reasons for that, but the fact the NBA is viewed negatively doesn't mean it has always been that way nor does it mean it needs to be that way. The players and management of the league have caused it.

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                            Re: Lawrence Taylor has been arrested for rape

                            Originally posted by QuickRelease View Post
                            So he picks up a prostitute, only to discover she's an underaged runaway? Is this a statutory rape case?
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                            "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG" - Carol "The Walking Dead"

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                              http://www.tvguide.com/News/Lawrence...m-1018247.aspx

                              Nutrisystem Drops Lawrence Taylor as Spokesman
                              May 7, 2010 12:16 PM ET
                              by Adam BryantBe the first to leave a comment.Buzz up!.
                              Lawrence Taylor
                              Weight loss company Nutrisystem has ended its relationship with Lawrence Taylor in light of the rape charge for the former New York Giants linebacker and Dancing with the Stars contestant.

                              Lawrence Taylor pleads not guilty to rape charge

                              Taylor, who became one of several celebrity spokesmen for Nutrisystem in March 2009, pleaded not guilty Thursday to charges of third-degree rape and patronizing a prostitute in the third degree.

                              "We are shocked and saddened by these very serious allegations against Lawrence Taylor," a Nutrisystem spokesperson told TVGuide.com in a statement. "Based on the severity of these allegations, Nutrisystem has made the decision to sever our relationship with Mr. Taylor effective immediately."

                              See photos of Taylor on Dancing with the Stars and more

                              Taylor, 51, is accused of paying $300 to engage in sexual intercourse with a 16-year-old, Ramapo, N.Y., police Chief Peter Brower said at a news conference Thursday. Taylor's attorney, Arthur Aidala, has denied the charges and told CNN he will fight them.

                              "My client did not have sex with anybody. Period," Aidala said. "Lawrence Taylor did not rape anybody."

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