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    That's not a bad contract at all, especially when Foyle is pulling down $8 mil and Brian Cardinal is pulling down about the same $'s as SJax.
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    Glad to hear it's not the $44mm originally thought.

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    I commented on this news in another thread, but it's worth raising again:

    If SJax essentially signed for the same amount he would make by taking the Pacers' MLE, then why didn't we just use the MLE on him and trade Harrington to Denver for draft picks? Is it because we knew we would split the MLE between Johnson and another player? Originally I assumed that we got SJax in part because we were able to offer him a bigger contract (44M) than those who could only offer the MLE, but now we can see that's not the case. Seems like we could've gotten SJax and then also gotten something more from trading Harrington...
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    We obviously wanted AJ back, and we had to use part of the MLE to get him. If we'd used the MLE on Jax, we would be looking for a backup PG still (no I Gill wouldn't have been signed to backup just Tinsley)

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    If S-Jax really signed for MLE money, is it possible the Hawks have agreed to something else down the road? Take a contract, or something like that?

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    The sign and trade guaranteed us getting him. Without it we might not of.
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    I think we did it this way to save money and assure he "signed" with us, instead of taking that money from another team. I'm sure having Mike Brown here also helped Jax agree to this.

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    Who says the Nuggets wanted Al for draft picks. You cannot trade consecutive draft picks and the Nugs wanted KMart much more than AL.



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    Who says the Nuggets wanted Al for draft picks. You cannot trade consecutive draft picks and the Nugs wanted KMart much more than AL.
    I don't have the article quote, but it was mentioned on the board here a few weeks ago.
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    The sign and trade guaranteed us getting him. Without it we might not of.
    I don't see how the trade assured anything. Because SJax was a FA, it was ultimately his decision, and -- as it turns out -- it's not like the sign-and-trade enabled him to get more money from us than he could've from another team... I don't buy this explanation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hicks
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    We obviously wanted AJ back, and we had to use part of the MLE to get him. If we'd used the MLE on Jax, we would be looking for a backup PG still (no I Gill wouldn't have been signed to backup just Tinsley)
    I can't help but think we could've both signed SJax for the MLE *and* gotten a solid backup PG and C by trading Harrington. Oh, well. DW always likes to play it safe.
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    What a lot of you are forgetting is yes we HAVE the MLE but we are also one of the teams a little over the cap. We aren't a lot over the cap but we are over the cap. By signing and trading for SJAX we got exactly what we wanted without expanding the budget. You have to look at it from a $ and cents point of view as well. We might have been able to get him for the MLE BUT then we would still be way over the cap. I am guessing about 6million over instead of 1 million. As a fan I would have loved them to use the MLE instead of the sign and trade but as a Business professional I can see why they would make the decision they made.

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    I'm just glad we got him for 6 million cheaper. Works for me.
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    What a lot of you are forgetting is yes we HAVE the MLE but we are also one of the teams a little over the cap. We aren't a lot over the cap but we are over the cap. By signing and trading for SJAX we got exactly what we wanted without expanding the budget. You have to look at it from a $ and cents point of view as well. We might have been able to get him for the MLE BUT then we would still be way over the cap. I am guessing about 6million over instead of 1 million. As a fan I would have loved them to use the MLE instead of the sign and trade but as a Business professional I can see why they would make the decision they made.
    That's why then trading Harrington for draft picks would've worked, because it wouldn't add to our payroll, but would give us something in addition to SJax in return. Alternatively, they could've traded Harrington for a backup PG and C, since it seems that they're going to split the MLE on these positions anyway...
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    Exactly suave.

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    Who says the Nuggets wanted Al for draft picks. You cannot trade consecutive draft picks and the Nugs wanted KMart much more than AL.

    According to the Rocky Mountain News:

    http://rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nu...029470,00.html

    "A source said Denver offered draft picks Friday for Indiana forward Al Harrington, but the Pacers instead agreed to a sign-and-trade in which Harrington will go to Atlanta for Stephen Jackson."
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    Who says the Nuggets wanted Al for draft picks. You cannot trade consecutive draft picks and the Nugs wanted KMart much more than AL.

    According to the Rocky Mountain News:

    http://rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nu...029470,00.html

    "A source said Denver offered draft picks Friday for Indiana forward Al Harrington, but the Pacers instead agreed to a sign-and-trade in which Harrington will go to Atlanta for Stephen Jackson."
    Well, uh,

    Putting my thinking cap back on, maybe the Pacers did not do this so that Kmart would go to the Nuggets. Because the Nugs could not trade draft picks for both Al and KMart


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    Could the trade exception we got in the B. Miller deal have played a role in this in anyway? I only have a doctorate in mathematics from MIT so I'm not smart enough to understand the NBA salary cap.
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    According to HoopsHype.com

    here is the breakdown

    2005 - 4.9
    2006 - 5.4
    2007 - 5.9
    2008 - 6.4
    2009 - 6.9
    2010 - 7.3

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    Correct me if I'm wrong (don't have time to look it up) but I don't think the Nuggets traded thier own pick for KMart. I think they traded picks that originally belonged to other teams.
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    I'm just glad we got him for 6 million cheaper. Works for me.
    What are you going to do with the money we saved? :P

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    keep it! duh.

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    I'm just glad we got him for 6 million cheaper. Works for me.
    What are you going to do with the money we saved? :P

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    Who says the Nuggets wanted Al for draft picks. You cannot trade consecutive draft picks and the Nugs wanted KMart much more than AL.
    Actually a team can trade draft picks in consecutive years, as long as they still retain a first round pick. The retained pick doesn't have to be their own - can be someone else's.

    In this case I think Denver before the Martin trade had six first round picks in the next two years.


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