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    Vinny Del Negro to be fired Tuesday

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...19,print.story

    chicagotribune.com
    Del Negro meets with Chairman Reinsdorf
    Pleads case, but firing still expected this week
    By K.C. Johnson, Tribune reporter

    11:52 PM CDT, May 2, 2010

    Vinny Del Negro met with Bulls Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf on Sunday, but the embattled coach's 11th-hour argument to keep his job won't change what the Tribune has reported since December 2009:

    Del Negro is expected to be dismissed with one year and roughly $2 million remaining on his guaranteed three-year contract. Barring a snag, the Bulls will make this news official Tuesday.

    At that point, executive vice president of basketball operations John Paxson and general manager Gar Forman will embark on a search focusing on candidates with previous NBA head-coaching experience.

    Doug Collins, Lawrence Frank, Kevin McHale, Maurice Cheeks, Byron Scott and Dwane Casey are some of the many names who fit that description and could receive interviews. Management is waiting to contact prospective candidates until Del Negro officially is dismissed.

    In his meeting with Reinsdorf, Del Negro pointed to Derrick Rose's growth into an All-Star player, Joakim Noah's progression and Taj Gibson's All-Rookie selection as proof of his and his staff's development of young players, sources said.

    He also pointed to the Bulls leading the league in rebounding and improving defensively as evidence of him following management's targeted areas of improvement from last summer, sources said.

    Finally, sources said, Del Negro detailed management's claims last summer that, with the departure of Ben Gordon and salary-cap space coming, the 2009-10 season was more the treading-water type.

    Forman worked closely with Del Negro last summer, meticulously detailing management's desire for tougher defense and more teaching and accountability. Thus, management would dispute any claims of confusion of what was expected of Del Negro.

    Del Negro is scheduled to meet with Forman on Monday as part of normal postseason evaluation.

    In fact, Del Negro's meeting with Reinsdorf followed the pattern the Bulls began following last season, wherein Forman and Paxson conduct player exit interviews without the coach, and Del Negro meets individually with Reinsdorf, then Forman.

    The stakes, however, were higher this time.

    Speculation about Del Negro's job status became a national story in December, when the Bulls limped through a 1-9 stretch and shortly thereafter blew a 35-point lead at home to the lowly Kings. But team insiders detailed a deteriorating relationship between Del Negro and management even during his first season.

    Management felt Del Negro strayed from the philosophy he detailed during his interview process, which culminated an eight-week coaching search.

    The relationship combusted in most dramatic fashion when Paxson and Del Negro had a brief physical altercation March 30 after Del Negro for the second time exceeded a medically imposed minutes limit for Noah, who was battling plantar fasciitis.

    Sources said Del Negro's imminent dismissal has nothing to do with the March 30 incident, which merely made public the deteriorating relationship between Del Negro and Paxson.

    Del Negro, sources said, wanted assurances from the organization the incident wouldn't cause Bulls officials to harm his future chances at employment. And after back-to-back postseason berths, it's likely Del Negro will land another job at some point.

    During a late-season interview with the Tribune, Del Negro vowed to coach again should the Bulls make a change.

    "It's the only thing that gets my juices going," Del Negro said then.

    Del Negro went 82-82 during the regular season and 4-8 during two trips to the postseason.

    kcjohnson@tribune.com

    Copyright © 2010, Chicago Tribune
    Last edited by Unclebuck; 05-03-2010, 09:34 PM.
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    Re: Vinny Del Negro expected to be fired on Tuesday

    Lucy probably would tell him to try vita-meata-vega-min. That should get his juices flowing, too.

    No to Vinny Del Negro coming here. Chicago had more talent than their end record showed this year.

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      Re: Vinny Del Negro expected to be fired on Tuesday

      Really? I thought they did alright considering:

      - the in-season injuries to major players.
      - the mid-season trade.
      - the overall loss of offensive firepower (Gordon, and then Salmons gone).

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        Re: Vinny Del Negro expected to be fired on Tuesday

        Yet Jim O'Brien is still our coach and has yet to once make the playoffs or a winning record.


        Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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          Re: Vinny Del Negro expected to be fired on Tuesday

          Originally posted by Peck View Post
          Yet Jim O'Brien is still our coach and has yet to once make the playoffs or a winning record.
          Do we have Derrick Rose?

          I don't think he deserves to be fire. If you read the article, seems more like some significant disagreements between coach and managementgt
          Last edited by Unclebuck; 05-03-2010, 11:44 AM.

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            Re: Vinny Del Negro expected to be fired on Tuesday

            I think this is pretty harsh. That team took the Celtics to 7 last year and put up a good fight against a superior Cavs team. I thought it was impressive how they came out with so much effort in game 5 despite the series being over for all practical purposes. It would've been easy to fold after that game 4 beat down, but they didn't. I think at least some of that should be attributed to the coach. I think they should give him another shot next year with a revamped roster.
            Last edited by Sollozzo; 05-03-2010, 11:39 AM.

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              Re: Vinny Del Negro expected to be fired on Tuesday

              I think that it's a combination of things.

              If you look at Del Negro, he's probably not going to lead a team to a championship, unless that team is completely loaded with talent. He's a solid coach, not a great one. Given that you now have two young championship level pieces in Rose and Noah, and the potential to sign a major, major free agent, it's a fairly savvy move to get rid of Del Negro, and use that as a selling point that, say, Lebron gets to pick his coach.

              I think the other aspect of this is that if you are a top 5 coach, and you're not getting along with management, management will suck it up and let you do your thing because it's good for the team. If you're an average to maybe slightly above average coach and you get into a fight with your boss, you've pretty much written your own pink slip.

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                Re: Vinny Del Negro expected to be fired on Tuesday

                Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                Do we have Derrick Rose?

                I don't think he deserves to be fire. If you read the article, seems more like some significant disagreements between coach and managementgt
                I'd hope we have serious disagreements between coaching and management too. That we don't has me concerned about our whole basketball direction and future.
                Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                -John Wooden

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                  Re: Vinny Del Negro expected to be fired on Tuesday

                  Thank god Vinny Del Negro was fired. Of course, this means at least 10 more wins for the Rose-Noah crew next year. If they manage to add an all-star, we're looking at a 60 win team.

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                    Re: Vinny Del Negro expected to be fired on Tuesday

                    I heard on the Radio that Paxson wanted D'Antio and he chose NY cuz they blew him out of the water with the pay, and Chicago's ownership didn't want to pony up. Then they wanted Doug Collins, but the Reinsdorf is really good friends with Collins and didn't want to maybe have to fire him in the future for a second time, so that didn't work. So they kind of settle on Del Negro, knowing he wasn't really a guy they wanted. So none of this is surprising, really, if thats all true.

                    I do think was in way over his head at the beginning, but he really seemed to do a good job under the circumstances this year. They let Ben Gordon walk after he was their go to guy last year in the playoffs, then they traded Salmons who went on to be a nice piece for Milwaukee (I'm not a fan of his, but still).

                    Who knows how good of a coach he is, really. I don't think he's irreplaceable by any means, nor do I think he was horrible either. Likely, he's in that middle pack that consists of 90% of the coaches, imo.

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                      Re: Vinny Del Negro expected to be fired on Tuesday

                      Originally posted by rexnom View Post
                      Thank god Vinny Del Negro was fired. Of course, this means at least 10 more wins for the Rose-Noah crew next year. If they manage to add an all-star, we're looking at a 60 win team.

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                        Re: Vinny Del Negro expected to be fired on Tuesday

                        Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                        I don't get it. Which part is absurd? Me predicting a 50-win Bull team as constructed or a 60-win team with an additional all-star?

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                          Re: Vinny Del Negro expected to be fired on Tuesday

                          I was having some fun and being too harsh, but no, I don't have the same faith in that roster as you do.

                          This is assuming LeBron or Wade stays out of Chicago. Bosh isn't pushing them to 60 wins.

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                            Re: Vinny Del Negro expected to be fired on Tuesday

                            Bosh makes them a 50-win team. Wade makes them a 60-win team.

                            Sans both, they are no different next year than this year.

                            It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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                              Re: Vinny Del Negro expected to be fired on Tuesday

                              Originally posted by Adam1987 View Post
                              I think this is pretty harsh. That team took the Celtics to 7 last year and put up a good fight against a superior Cavs team. I thought it was impressive how they came out with so much effort in game 5 despite the series being over for all practical purposes. It would've been easy to fold after that game 4 beat down, but they didn't. I think at least some of that should be attributed to the coach. I think they should give him another shot next year with a revamped roster.
                              Yeah, this seems kind of unfair. Hire the guy and shove your ****ty roster in his face for a few years, then can him once there's an actual opportunity for a significant talent upgrade. That'd be like the Celts canning Rivers once they brought in Allen and Garnett. Give the dude a chance!
                              You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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