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    http://www.nba.com/2010/news/05/05/a...s=iref:nbahpt1

    Earl Watson got a second team vote. JO got a a first team vote. The first and second teams are interesting, but maybe the lisitng of every player that got a vote is more interesting.

    The coaches vote for this. Media votes for defensive player

    Orlando's Howard, Boston's Rondo lead All-Defensive Team
    By Official release
    Posted May 5 2010 2:24PM

    Orlando Magic center Dwight Howard, winner of the 2009-10 Defensive Player of the Year Award presented by Kia Motors, and guard Rajon Rondo of the Boston Celtics headline the NBA All-Defensive First Team, the NBA announced Wednesday. By totaling 57 points overall, including 28 First Team votes, Howard edged Rondo (50 points overall and 23 First Team votes) as the leading vote-getter.

    Also selected to the All-Defensive First Team are forward LeBron James of the Cleveland Cavaliers (45 points), Los Angeles Lakers guard Kobe Bryant (34 points) and Charlotte Bobcats forward Gerald Wallace (30 points).

    Howard became the first player to lead the league in rebounding and blocks (1973-74 was the first season blocks were kept as an official statistic) in consecutive seasons, averaging 13.2 rebounds and 2.78 blocks. He also became only the fifth player in NBA history to lead the league in rebounding for at least three consecutive seasons. With Howard anchoring the defense, the Magic allowed 95.3 points a game, which ranked fourth in the NBA, and held the opposition to a league-low .438 shooting, including 24 games in which opponents shot under .400. Orlando held the opposition to fewer than 100 points 57 times and to fewer than 90 points 24 times.

    The NBA All-Defensive Second Team consists of center Tim Duncan of the San Antonio Spurs, guards Dwyane Wade of the Miami Heat and Thabo Sefolosha of the Oklahoma City Thunder, and forwards Josh Smith of the Atlanta Hawks and Anderson Varejao of the Cleveland Cavaliers. Duncan has been selected to the NBA All-Defensive team 13 consecutive seasons.

    The voting panel consisted of the NBA's 30 head coaches, who were asked to select NBA All-Defensive First and Second Teams by position. Coaches were not permitted to vote for players from their own team. Two points were awarded for a First Team vote and one point was awarded for a Second Team vote.

    2009-10 NBA All-Defensive Team
    First Team

    Center Dwight Howard, Orlando 28, 1, 57
    Guard Rajon Rondo, Boston 23 4 50
    Forward LeBron James, Cleveland 20 5 45
    Guard Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 13 8 34
    Forward Gerald Wallace, Charlotte 11 8 30


    Second Team

    Center Tim Duncan, San Antonio 8 5 21
    Guard Dwyane Wade, Miami 8 4 20
    Forward Josh Smith, Atlanta 6 8 20
    Forward Anderson Varejao, Cleveland 2 11 15
    Guard Thabo Sefolosha, Oklahoma City 3 8 14

    Other players receiving votes, with point totals (First Team votes in parentheses):
    Jason Kidd, Dallas, 12 (4); Marcus Camby, Portland, 12 (1); Ron Artest, 11 (3); Deron Williams, Utah, 10, (2); Kirk Hinrich, Chicago, 9 (1); Andrew Bogut, Milwaukee, 8; Luc Mbah a Moute, Milwaukee, 8 (1); Arron Afflalo, Denver, 6 (1); Kenyon Martin, Denver, 5 (1); Kevin Garnett, Boston, 5 (1); Grant Hill, Phoenix, 4 (2); Joakim Noah, Chicago, 4; Kendrick Perkins, Boston, 4 (1); Shane Battier, Houston, 4 (1); Andrei Kirilenko, Utah, 3 (1); Russell Westbrook, Oklahoma City, 3; Trevor Ariza, Houston, 3 (1); Andre Iguodala, Philadelphia, 2; George Hill, San Antonio, 2 (1); Jermaine ONeal, Miami, 2 (1); Joe Johnson, Atlanta, 2 (1); Lamar Odom, L.A. Lakers, 2 (1); Luis Scola, Houston, 2; Manu Ginobili, San Antonio, 2 (1); Nicolas Batum, Portland, 2; Caron Butler, Dallas, 1; Chauncey Billups, Denver, 1; Jared Dudley, Phoenix, 1; Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City, 1; Raymond Felton, Charlotte, 1; Marc Gasol, Memphis, 1; Pau Gasol, L.A. Lakers, 1; Chuck Hayes, Houston, 1; Brendan Haywood, Dallas, 1; Al Horford, Atlanta, 1; Serge Ibaka, Oklahoma City, 1; Ersan Ilyasova, Milwaukee, 1; Stephen Jackson, Charlotte, 1; Nene, Denver, 1; Chris Paul, New Orleans, 1; Tayshaun Prince, Detroit, 1; Earl Watson, Indiana, 1.
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    Somebody gave George Hill a first team vote???
    yay, we're going back to the play-offs!

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    For my money, Kendricks Perkins is a strong candidate to replace Duncan on the second team. Perkins does all the little things defensively that don't show up in the stats, so I doubt it ever happens.

    Bogut getting votes is comical to me, I think he's actually below average one on one, defensively.

    Lastly, Battier is always someone I'd put on the list. He might be in the decline in this category, but for me, he's an selfless team and individual defender.

    On a side note, I'd love to B Rush on this list of also getting votes, next year.

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    Yeah, I think Perkins is the best low post one-on-one player in the NBA. He's not the help defender of Duncan, Howard, or Garnett. If the Celtics get past the Cavs and play the Magic, he defend Howard better than anyone else can one-on-one and that is one very big reason why the Celtics give the Magic so much trouble.

    Yeah Battier should be higher on the list, I know last year I thought he was the best in the NBA at defending Kobe.

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    Kinda surprised to see Wade on the 2nd team. I don't think of him
    as a guy who puts a big emphasis on D or expends a lot of energy
    on that end of the floor.

    But, given how little I saw of the Heat this year, that's strictly
    a superficial, at-first-glance reaction.

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    What is this, Fun Question Friday?

    Grant Hill on a team like Phoenix getting 4 votes (with 2 being first team) is impressive.

    It is sad to see KG down as far on the list as he ended up, but he is nearing the end.

    I want to see both Brandon and Roy get votes on this list next year despite playing under O'B (unlikely, but I can dream can't I?), and hopefully Earl gets time on whatever team he ends up with, and hopefully that team plays defense so he can get even more votes.

    What, no Troy "Matador" Murphy?

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    I can't believe Watson got a vote. Not taking anything away from him at all, but typically a team as bad as we are defensively, won't get any votes whatsoever. Look at some of the teams that preach defense as a priority. Dallas, Boston, OKC, Cleveland, LA, Denver's role players, Houston, Atlanta, San Antonio and Milwaukee. Those teams are pretty much defense-first from a basketball philosophy standpoint. Notice how most of those teams are playoff teams as well... [cough... JOB... cough]. Denver is the only team that tends to play at an increased pace and it is their role players that provide their defensive prowess anyway.

    I am surprised by how many votes Jason Kidd got. He is good defensively, but he has slowed down a lot and seemed to not be able to keep up with most of the quicker PG's. I am not surprised because he has always been a good defender, but more by the amount of votes he was still getting. I can't believe that Brendan Haywood only got one vote. That Dallas team was so much better defensively once he arrived, IMO.

    I think the All-Defense team is my favorite of the "awards" or "recognitions" given out.

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    Kinda surprised to see Wade on the 2nd team. I don't think of him
    as a guy who puts a big emphasis on D or expends a lot of energy
    on that end of the floor.

    But, given how little I saw of the Heat this year, that's strictly
    a superficial, at-first-glance reaction.
    I think you have it correct. Wade if he could concentrate on putting more energy into his defense could be one of the very best in the league for sure. But he has to play so many minutes and do everything offensively for the Heat, he has to save some energy. But late in games and on crucial possessions Wade is excellent defensively, it is just he isn't great on every play.

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    I like seeing some new guys on this list. Mbah a Moute, Sefolosha, Afflalo, Perkins, Noah, and Marc Gasol.

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    I'm happy for you and I'mo letchu finish. But Shane Battier is one of the greatest defensive players of all time. Of all time!!






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    I'm happy for you and I'mo letchu finish. But Shane Battier is one of the greatest defensive players of all time. Of all time!!






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    Cassius?
    I forget who said it. Some rapper at an awards ceremony a few months ago who leaped onto the stage and grabbed the microphone away from the winner of an award because he thought Beyonce should have won instead.



    Anyway, awards like these are always so subjective. Anyone's opinion is as good as anyone else's.
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    I forget who said it. Some rapper at an awards ceremony a few months ago who leaped onto the stage and grabbed the microphone away from the winner of an award because he thought Beyonce should have won instead.


    Anyway, awards like these are always so subjective. Anyone's opinion is as good as anyone else's.
    That guy was Kanye West


    By the way not one vote for our defensive stopper? ............what?(green)
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    Am I correct that this is the only award that the coaches vote on? Do the vote on the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd all NBA teams also? Or is that media

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    Am I correct that this is the only award that the coaches vote on? Do the vote on the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd all NBA teams also? Or is that media
    Yeah, I think you're right. The coaches vote here.

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    2009-10 NBA All-Defenseless Team
    The voting panel consisted of the NBA's 30 head coaches, posters from Pacer Digest, and anyone who has watched a basketball game involving the Indiana Pacers in the last 3 years. They were asked to select NBA All-Defenseless First and Second Teams by position, with consideration to both small-ball and conventional lineup's. Coaches were not permitted to vote for players from their own team, because that would be irrelevant.

    First Team
    Center Troy Murphy, Indiana 85 1 0
    Guard Mike Dunleavy, Indiana 85 1 0
    Forward Troy Murphy, Indiana 85 1 0
    Guard TJ Ford, Indiana 85 1 0
    Forward Mike Dunleavy, Indiana 85 1 0

    Second Team
    Center Mike Dunleavy, Indaina 1 85 0
    Guard Troy Murphy, Indiana 1 85 0
    Forward TJ Ford, Indaina 1 85 0
    Forward Josh McRoberts, Indiana 1 86 0
    Guard Danny Granger, Indiana 0 86 0

    Coach
    Jim O'Brien

    Other players receiving votes:
    E.Watson, AJ Price, B.Rush, L.Head, S.Jones, D.Jones, J.Foster, R.Hillert, T.Hansbrough, T.Deiner, J.Tinsley, S.Williams, J.White.
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    Josh Smith finished 2nd in defensive player of the year voting but apparently LeBron's lock down defense made him to fall to the 2nd team. Stupid list.

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    On a side note, I'd love to B Rush on this list of also getting votes, next year.
    If our bone head front office has it their way we wont have Rush next season...........
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    Josh Smith finished 2nd in defensive player of the year voting but apparently LeBron's lock down defense made him to fall to the 2nd team. Stupid list.
    easy enough explanation. dpoy is voted on by the media, the all-defensive team is voted on by the coaches.

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    Bogut getting votes is comical to me, I think he's actually below average one on one, defensively.
    really? bucks fans consider him their best defender. his shotblocking stats are good too: 2nd in the league, behind dwight howard and ahead of josh smith.

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    If our bone head front office has it their way we wont have Rush next season...........
    And at that point he would make this list. If he was playing under Larry Brown in Charlotte, assuming they played him, he would be a vote getter IMO.

    As for the Josh Smith argument, I think he is clearly a first team defensive player. But nobody will take LeBron off the list for him. You can't say that LeBron isn't deserving though. Even though I have a severe case of disdain for him.

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