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Joakim Noah: Cleveland Sucks

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  • Joakim Noah: Cleveland Sucks

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/bal...urn=nba,235349


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    lol! I haven't seen that interview until now, but I've wanted to see it. Joakim is very strange looking, but very funny!! He just raised his likability (spelling??) to about 2% now lol....but in all seriousness, that is one of the greatest sports interviews I've seen in a long time.

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      I kind of like pro-Joakim Noah almost as much as I hated college Joakim Noah.


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        Originally posted by Indy View Post
        I kind of like pro-Joakim Noah almost as much as I hated college Joakim Noah.

        Agreed. Never really cared for him prior to joining the Bulls. I like the fact that he will say whatever is on his mind and doesn't back down about it later on. He's never gotten that far out of line, so as long as he continues how he is now I'll support the dude.

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          Head games, that's all I get from you
          Head games, and I can't take it anymore
          Head games, don't wanna play the...
          Head games

          So near, so far away
          We pass each other by 'cause we don't know what to say
          It's so clear, I'm sorry to say
          But if you wanna win you gotta learn how to play

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            And the second one, which cannot be embedded.
            You Got The Tony!!!!!!

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            • #7
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              No need to attack a city, especially one that has been dealing with hard economic times for at least two decades. Its tacky and unnecessary. And its a very personal attack. I recall Pacers fans not liking it when New York players and celebs (like Spike Lee) were dismissive of Indianapolis and the state of Indiana. Now some here want to give Noah a high-five for not having enough class to keep his mouth closed regarding the city of Cleveland? Okay. He's acting no different than Dennis Rodman who also went out of his way to trash cities that weren't as big, glamorous and cosmoploitan as Chicago. But at least Rodman had won something in the pros before opening his big mouth. Outside of his three year stop in Gainsville Noah has lived in three of the grestest cities on Earth: Paris, New York and Chicago. So now he attacks the city of Cleveland because it doesn't measure up? What a clown. No wonder Charles Barkley loves him so much. The words that came out of Charles' mouth were just as juvenile and pointless.
              Last edited by KennerLeaguer; 04-20-2010, 07:30 PM.

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                I agree that Noah shouldn't have said anything about the city of Cleveland itself. He's just frustrated by the way the series is going, and that's understandable.

                But on the other hand, I don't think that it is that big of a deal either. I mean Noah has a little something going on with LeBron and the Cleveland fans, and it's not like he can boo the crowd during time-outs. So he's been doing his part by playing well and doing some trash talking before/after games.

                I don't think that this makes him a clown. I mean, if you have to wait until you've won something to talk trash, then what about Reggie? Payton?

                And frankly, doesn't the trash talking make what is an uneven series slightly more interesting?

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                  He was not that funny, really....but he sounded 1000% more intelligent than another interview I heard from him. I actually like him more now.

                  Edit: Just to be clear, I still don't like him. I really thought he was an ignoramous. He probably still is, he's just not as bad as I thought originally.
                  Last edited by BlueNGold; 04-20-2010, 08:21 PM.

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                    Re: Joakim Noah: Cleveland Sucks

                    Originally posted by KennerLeaguer View Post
                    No need to attack a city, especially one that has been dealing with hard economic times for at least two decades. Its tacky and unnecessary. And its a very personal attack. I recall Pacers fans not liking it when New York players and celebs (like Spike Lee) were dismissive of Indianapolis and the state of Indiana. Now some here want to give Noah a high-five for not having enough class to keep his mouth closed regarding the city of Cleveland? Okay. He's acting no different than Dennis Rodman who also went out of his way to trash cities that weren't as big, glamorous and cosmoploitan as Chicago. But at least Rodman had won something in the pros before opening his big mouth. Outside of his three year stop in Gainsville Noah has lived in three of the grestest cities on Earth: Paris, New York and Chicago. So now he attacks the city of Cleveland because it doesn't measure up? What a clown. No wonder Charles Barkley loves him so much. The words that came out of Charles' mouth were just as juvenile and pointless.


                    Relax already. It's not like he said the people of Cleveland are worthless scum buckets. He just said that the city itself isn't anything great, and guess what... it isn't. Lord forbid an athlete say something honest. Wouldn't want all the sensitive types getting their panties in a twist about it.

                    Hooray for Joakim Noah saying what's on his mind, and not giving the same canned answers that 98% of athletes or celebrities give to reporters.

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                      Originally posted by KennerLeaguer View Post
                      I recall Pacers fans not liking it when New York players and celebs (like Spike Lee) were dismissive of Indianapolis and the state of Indiana ..............
                      I don't quite recall the fans reacting that way. In fact, the majority latched on to the Knick vs Hicks thing.

                      And you either live in Cleveland or have never been there. Am I right or am I right or am I right ?? Right ??

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                      • #12
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                        College Noah was a product of his strange facial expressions in-game and the use of those replays ad nauseum.

                        Nowadays I find him pretty entertaining. I think he's a pretty bright guy and picks his spots accordingly. And he's a way, way better player than I thought he was going to be.

                        But seriously, he's probably the ugliest guy in the NBA, right?

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                          Originally posted by Kraft View Post

                          But seriously, he's probably the ugliest guy in the NBA, right?

                          I don't know. He's unusual looking, but I wouldn't call him ugly. SJax, now there's an ugly man.

                          Wait - are we really talking about this?
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                            I love Joakim Noah.

                            And his mom was Miss Sweden. He simply can't be the ugliest dude in the NBA. My vote goes to Chris Kaman.
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                              The fact that there is a discussion about the ugliest player in the NBA and Robert Swift has not yet been mentioned baffles me.

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