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    Default Suggestion to Pacers 2010-2011 from HongKong(I want to know what do you think, thanks)

    1.Draft a C to back up Roy

    Reason:
    Roy can play very well against some teams, but he will has trouble when he face athlete C on the defence side. It's very unstable. Because of he's limit athlete, he may not able to slove the problem in his whole nba career.
    However, he still can be a good starter C for the Pacers(personality,size,offence skill and work very hard)

    #good starter c- not means all star, but do the dirty work and fix in the team role.

    So we are not going to sign or draft an all star C to replace roy and put him on the bench. but he really need some helps.
    So i prefer to draft a C in 2010 nbadraft to back up roy. as we only have 1xth pick this year, not too many choices this year, maybe Hassan Whiteside is a good pick for us(because u only can get role player in this draft, potential starters?no...)(we already have so many role players...but no pure starters)

    2. Move rush to the bench with d.jones
    So lets talk about rush. Huge potential young player and great defence skill. But he can't play with granger.
    why? when we see d.jones play with granger, jones will still take so many shot because he's personality. Jones like to attack the basket and little be selfish on the offence side. However, when rush play with granger and murphy, he will move the ball to them and let them to take the offence role. he is too unselfish and didn't has the attitude to take the offence role by himself as we know he can do that. he will be little be lost himself on the offence side and seeing granger and murphy take shot after shot.Sometimes he just disappear from the court.

    So lets move rush to the bench to play SF back up granger, D.jones play Back SG. After that, we may got the greatest second union in the nba.
    Then we sign a star SG to share granger's pressure.(Because granger is not too stable too, he will make some bad shot and make a lot of TO in the sametime.)
    So i suggest to sign Joe Johnson type of player.(i know we can't get joe johnson in this summar) but someone who play like him can really play with granger and fix in the starter sg role.

    3. Solve the PF position conflict.
    We have murphy who can take big shot in the offence and get foul in the defence. Stronge offence game and bad defence game really creat the conflict for the Pacers.

    We all know that we have to let murphy go, but who can replace murphy?
    Some of u will suggest to draft a PF in this year nbadraft. But we already have Josh and Tyler(2 good role players), Ekpe Udoh? wt makes u think that he will be better than josh and tyler? i think ekpe udoh is the same level of player like tyler and josh. They are all good role players but not the starter PF. We already have both tyler and josh...(i still think we shouldn't draft tyler last year, he is good but only role player, we already have josh....it's conflict..)
    So lets move our expire contracts to get a starter PF for us.
    who?
    Suggestion: someone like Paul Millsap. why? because if jazz resign boozer, they may move millsap.
    ok...u don't like him?u want bosh?amar? face the fact....not going to happen right?
    but i am not sure any other possible choices are on the market this summar? if not, we may still keep murphy 2010-2011, because we have no choice.

    # play more josh and tyler if the team keep murphy pls larry!!

    4. Upgrade PG position and let aj price play backup pg

    So we have to let waston go, why? sorry...thanks everything he did for us this year, but if we need to move to next level, maybe Raymond Felton is better the answer.
    we don't really need a pg to have 20+points per game but who can defence well and get his own shot on the court. so felton? maybe he is the guy? better than waston i think...
    Price is ok, so let him play back up pg....

    #don't sign 4-5 pg this summar pls.....one starter, price backup and get another backup is ok....enough

    Thats it

    Possible lineup

    PG: XXX(Felton), AJ price,xxx

    SG: XXX(Joe johnson), D.jones. xxx

    SF: Danny Granger, Brandon rush,xxx

    PF: XXX(Paul Millsap), Tyler, Josh

    C: Roy, XXX(Hassan Whiteside) ,Soloman Jones
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    Default Re: Suggestion to Pacers 2010-2011 from HongKong

    good thoughts, but essentially you've said that we need an upgrade at every position. these things are much easier said than done, and chances are we'll have to wait until 2011 to make significant changes.
    many of us are aware that talent wise our team is not exactly stellar.

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    How would we get JJ? Hes most likely going to be in ATL or NY next season
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    How would we get JJ? Hes most likely going to be in ATL or NY next season
    Notice how he said a "Joe Johnson type"?
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    Wow....thats alot of overhauling. Easier said than done...that sounds like a woman planning her wedding day.
    And the walls came tumbling down.....

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    Felton, JJ, Granger, Millsap, Hibbert + Price, Rush, Hansbrough -> that's a strong contender right there. I can see that team winning 60 games if you're able to instil a strong defence first mind-set. The bigs rotation lacks some versatility maybe? The ability to move Granger to the 4 gives you a strong big man rotation; I'd like to have a big with the skill-set Whiteside projects to have but I don't think you rely on a player like Hassan Whiteside to play such a role in a championship team - by all accounts he's very far away from contributing and brings the potential of being a disruptive presence. Not worth the trouble, you'd probably be better with moving up Solomon Jones in the depth chart or signing PJ Brown out of retirement.

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    Thanks reply, I think the thing is we are not only going to make playoffs, but also win the champion. so we have to do the overhauling.I can't see that "danny granger lead the young players to win the title" in my dream. As we have big salary space in 2011, the moves are going to do in the future as well.

    Things we can do
    1.We have to draft a C. We can draft Hassan Whiteside with 10th/11th pick in this year draft.
    Hassan Whiteside is a young prospect that can bring defence to pacers.7 footer with excellent size, strength and potential to become Marcus Camby type of players.
    But we are not must to pick him, however, if we pick another young player comes in this summar in other position, for example: pg, sg, sf, pf, will disturb the young prospects we have to develop in the future.
    Pg: He will take some of aj price time, but he is still young player, so pacers may still sign another experience pg to be the starter of pacers. So he will disturb price's development.
    Sg,SF: I am ok with rush and jones to play second union, another young player will share their time , but no one can become a star in the future.(you only have 10th pick, no evan turner, then others are role player only)
    PF: the same thing happen here, tyler and josh, so you are going to draft another one to share their time?but who can be the starters?


    so i prefer to draft a big young prospect as Roy really need helps and he only play 25mins per game, there are some playing times for new players to develop too.
    (If you bring Pj Borwn here..thats means you believe that Roy will play well against every team and will not be in the foul trouble in the future again, you know that he can get 3 fouls in 3 mins)
    So i am not trust Roy can play this position alone but need another young prospect to share the playing time and develop the game with Roy together.

    2. We may get felton this summar, if we are going to give felton 900-1000 per year
    So it's possible thing and some report said ford for felton is working.

    So it's not too far from the overhauling right?
    the hard thing maybe is get Paul Millsap here and bring a "leader" to the team.
    (joe johnson type means who can handle the ball, good balance offence and defence skill, good 3 point shooter, and the most important thing is he should be a leader)
    (So you can bring Ray Allan here, but he is too old)

    so i said we may keep murphy through 2010-2011 season, and find a leader after 2011 with huge salary space.

    Go pacers, not only playoffs, but the team which can kick lakers *** and win the title.
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    Default Re: Suggestion to Pacers 2010-2011 from HongKong(I want to know what do you think, thanks)

    where is our franchiser Jeff Foster? he'll return to be a dominant presence with healthy condition on the paint!

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    Default Re: Suggestion to Pacers 2010-2011 from HongKong(I want to know what do you think, thanks)

    His back is not working...so, let him retire as a pacers hero, he is not going to include in pacers future anymore...
    i don't mind move soloman jones too, then we can keep jeff as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamiyohk View Post
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    His back is not working...so, let him retire as a pacers hero, he is not going to include in pacers future anymore...
    i don't mind move soloman jones too, then we can keep jeff as well

    I read some articles his back surgery operated well.
    the fact that the team let him operate surgery than playing just limited time implies his comeback as both a tutor teaching young bigs and our no.1 defender on the paint. IMO
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    I read some articles his back surgery operated well.
    the fact that the team let him operate surgery than playing just limited time implies his comeback as both a tutor teaching young bigs and our no.1 defender on the paint.
    I really want to see jeff become a part of our management as well.
    He can play or not in 2010-2011 season is unallied action now.it's because we will not fully rebuild the team this year, still have to wait until 2011.So...We still need someone who can share the C mins and develop with Roy together.Because Roy is unstable Factor in the team.
    I don't think Roy can solve his defence problem in the future...so just bring someone who have the same potential like Roy to share the mins.Thats why i want pacers to draft a young prospect C in this year draft. Moreover, it will not takes Roy's mins away and disturb Roy's development.

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    What I would love to do

    Package Trade Pieces for Draft Picks maybe two this year (1st and 2nd rounder if possible) and 1 next year (Second).

    Brandon Rush and our #57 Pick for a 2010 1st (maybe to San Antonio for #21)
    TJ Ford for a 2011 2nd (Miami needs a PG...)
    Mike Dunleavy for a 2010 2nd (maybe to Charlotte for #46)

    Do not Resign and/or Release Solomon Jones and Luther Head

    Draft the Following Players this year

    #10 - Greg Monroe PF - Georgetown
    #21 - Eric Bledsoe PG - Kentucky
    #40 - Jordan Crawford SG - Xavier
    #46 - Jerome Jordan C - Tulsa

    2010 Starting 5
    PG - Eric Bledsoe
    SG - Dahntay Jones
    SF - Danny Granger
    PF - Troy Murphy
    C - Roy Hibbert

    2010 Second Unit
    PG - AJ Price
    SG - Jordan Crawford
    F - Tyler Hansborough
    F - Greg Monroe
    C - Jeff Foster

    Super Subs
    PG - Earl Watson
    C - Jerome Jordan
    F - Josh McRoberts
    D League Call ups

    That team competes in the EAST in 2010. We would also have some key trade pieces, Troy Murphy, Jeff Foster, Dahntay Jones.

    If we could turn Troy Murphy into an super athletic big that plays stout D, (Tyrus Thomas) and move Greg Monroe into the starting role.

    We could move A Jeff Foster/Dahntay Jones package for a solid SG, maybe to Portland for Rudy Fernandez.

    Our Post Trade Deadline Team would look like this:

    PG Eric Bledsoe
    SG Rudy Fernandez
    SF Danny Granger
    PF Greg Monroe
    C Roy Hibbert

    PG AJ Price
    SG Jordan Crawford
    F Tyler Hansborough
    F Tyrus Thomas
    C Jerome Jordan

    Earl Watson, McBOB and some D League Call ups on the Bench (Marcus Williams?)

    I would use the following line up to press at the end of the Second Quarter and the first 7 minutes of the Fourth Quarter

    PG Eric Bledsoe
    SG Rudy Fernandez
    SF Danny Granger
    PF Tyrus Thomas
    C Jerome Jordan

    Moving to 2011 we could move McRoberts, Watson, and Clear some Space to make a run at a Marquee Free Agent, Either Melo or a Stud PG.

    That is like a thanksgiving feast of what ifs, but what are your thoughts?

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    What I would love to do

    Package Trade Pieces for Draft Picks maybe two this year (1st and 2nd rounder if possible) and 1 next year (Second).

    Brandon Rush and our #57 Pick for a 2010 1st (maybe to San Antonio for #21)
    TJ Ford for a 2011 2nd (Miami needs a PG...)
    Mike Dunleavy for a 2010 2nd (maybe to Charlotte for #46)

    Do not Resign and/or Release Solomon Jones and Luther Head

    Draft the Following Players this year

    #10 - Greg Monroe PF - Georgetown
    #21 - Eric Bledsoe PG - Kentucky
    #40 - Jordan Crawford SG - Xavier
    #46 - Jerome Jordan C - Tulsa

    2010 Starting 5
    PG - Eric Bledsoe
    SG - Dahntay Jones
    SF - Danny Granger
    PF - Troy Murphy
    C - Roy Hibbert

    2010 Second Unit
    PG - AJ Price
    SG - Jordan Crawford
    F - Tyler Hansborough
    F - Greg Monroe
    C - Jeff Foster

    Super Subs
    PG - Earl Watson
    C - Jerome Jordan
    F - Josh McRoberts
    D League Call ups

    That team competes in the EAST in 2010. We would also have some key trade pieces, Troy Murphy, Jeff Foster, Dahntay Jones.

    If we could turn Troy Murphy into an super athletic big that plays stout D, (Tyrus Thomas) and move Greg Monroe into the starting role.

    We could move A Jeff Foster/Dahntay Jones package for a solid SG, maybe to Portland for Rudy Fernandez.

    Our Post Trade Deadline Team would look like this:

    PG Eric Bledsoe
    SG Rudy Fernandez
    SF Danny Granger
    PF Greg Monroe
    C Roy Hibbert

    PG AJ Price
    SG Jordan Crawford
    F Tyler Hansborough
    F Tyrus Thomas
    C Jerome Jordan

    Earl Watson, McBOB and some D League Call ups on the Bench (Marcus Williams?)

    I would use the following line up to press at the end of the Second Quarter and the first 7 minutes of the Fourth Quarter

    PG Eric Bledsoe
    SG Rudy Fernandez
    SF Danny Granger
    PF Tyrus Thomas
    C Jerome Jordan

    Moving to 2011 we could move McRoberts, Watson, and Clear some Space to make a run at a Marquee Free Agent, Either Melo or a Stud PG.

    That is like a thanksgiving feast of what ifs, but what are your thoughts?
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    I think we can get better value than a 2nd round pick for Dunleavy or Ford. Their value will be higher than that come trade deadline.

    I'd rather combine their expirings with young talent to acquire established players who may have too heavy contracts for their team.

    It is a three year plan we don't have to play our whole hand this summer just for the sake of change if it means mediocrity. There will be a time when we -for once- have strong bargaining power. Let's be patient

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