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    http://my.nba.com/cms/Indiana%20Pace...In%20The%20Web

    (Conrad Brunner)
    The offense is more efficient.

    The defense is more effective.

    The players are in much more of a rhythm.

    Those elements have been obvious factors in the Pacers' late-season surge of eight wins in 10 games overall and 10 out of 11 at home. But wherein lies the cause?

    Chalk it up to continuity.

    On March 14, Jim O'Brien started Earl Watson, Brandon Rush, Danny Granger, Troy Murphy and Roy Hibbert, and that lineup has been used in every game since with two exceptions (Hibbert and Granger each missed a game with minor injuries).

    That group has been both the most common and productive of the season with an 11-12 record. None of the other 24 lineup combinations has been together more than seven games or won more than four.

    The two most obvious beneficiaries of the lineup stability have been Granger and Murphy.

    Granger has come alive of late, averaging 29.5 points, 4.9 rebounds, 3.4 assists and 1.4 steals in the last 10 games. He's scored at least 30 points in six of the last nine.

    After dealing with a troublesome foot and ever-changing lineups, he's finally feeling comfortable.

    "It's one of those unfortunate things you've got to deal with when you're in a season and you get hurt, you've got to recover and play your way back," Granger said. "It's just a process.

    "I think not only players but more importantly teams get into a rhythm and when you see the good teams in really good rhythms, that's when they go on these really good streaks of seven or eight games. That's what really sets the tone for the rest of the season and we hit our rhythm a little too late."

    Murphy has also been on a roll with five straight double-doubles and 12 in his last 14 games. In those last five, Murphy has averaged 20.6 points and 13.2 rebounds and shot .574 from the field.

    "He's a unique player in that last year and again this year he's one of the most deadly 3-point shooters," said O'Brien. "When you have somebody 6-11 that can do that it draws the other team away from the basket. He's also our top rebounder. He's having another very, very fine season and he's a nice weapon to have."

    With those two veterans leading the way, and second-year players Hibbert and Rush continuing their growth, the guy tying up the package has been Watson. Most decidedly not a numbers guy, Watson has provided much-needed leadership from the point.

    "Having a guy like that who is attacking the basket, attacking the paint and then finding people is every really good 3-point shooter's dream, to have that consistency," said O'Brien. "When our tempo picks up and we space the court and we're getting consistent 3-point shooting from Brandon's position it's very difficult to guard and defenses have to decide who they're going to try to stop. And there is the continued development of Roy.

    "We want to make it challenging for the defenses to decide who they're going to concentrate on and again it comes back to the point guard. When you have a point guard that's attacking and thinking, 'Who can I hit? Who's open?' and probing and keeping his dribble, that's very important."

    In the last 10, the Pacers have averaged 107.4 points. In the last 12, they've limited opponents to 97.3. Because of the personality of the team, those two numbers are inextricably linked.

    "I think the better our offense is, the better our defense is," said O'Brien. "It seems at least for us that when we're not making shots our defense suffers because our spirits sag a little bit. That's something we would like to correct. But the fact that we're putting up great numbers from the 3-point line, we're playing better defense."

    Ultimately, though, what does this all mean for fans frustrated by the team's inability to find its stride before it was too late?

    "It gives hope to Pacerland," said Granger. "It shows what we're capable of and what we can do."

    No word on D-League prospect

    Though there was much chatter in the blogosphere about the Pacers planning to sign 6-7 point forward Marcus Williams from the D-League, there was no such word from the team.

    O'Brien said there wouldn't be much value to signing any player from the D-League "other than potential trade value."

    "Teams that bring in (D-League) guys with a non-guaranteed contract for next year can fit that into any trade situations during the summer," O'Brien said. "From the standpoint of if we were to bring in a guy right now, you could not expect to see him in games, let's put it that way."

    A second-round pick of the Spurs out of Arizona in 2007, Williams has spent most of the past three seasons with the Austin Toros, averaging 21.6 points, 6.8 rebounds and 4.4 assists.

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    Re: Continuity key to Pacers' late surge

    Continuity? I'd say the bigger culprit is "other teams tanking".

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      Re: Continuity key to Pacers' late surge

      Well then it's a good thing next year no one will get hurt and all of the same players will be back in exactly the same roles. I predict a hot start!!

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        Re: Continuity key to Pacers' late surge

        When it was abundantly clear that Foster and Hansbrough wasn't going to return.....JO'B could have decided to utilize actual Frontcourt Players like McRoberts and Solo more to shore up the Frontcourt lineup much earlier then wait until this most recent run.

        But he chose to go with "Small Ball for All" for far too long. I can understand that we could have tried it out to see how well it worked....but the experiment lasted too long. The end-resukt? We had an unhappy Granger that wasn't too jazzed about guarding bigger and stronger Players in the post and we see the result now and we didn't really do any better.

        I agree with cdash that some some of the credit for the recent win-streak is partly to playing other Teams that are tanking....heck, we even be better then them in the end. But I also think that having a more stablilized lineup with the use of AJ, McRoberts and ( to a lesser degree ) Solo playing their respective positions on a regular and more consistent basis would have made a huge difference.

        If the notion that Continuity is a factor.....then you have to wonder ( based on the results we see know ) why JO'B didn't use players like McRoberts and Solo more often the second that Foster/Hansbrough went down. My guess is that he wants as much athleticsm and scoring as he can get in his lineup...so playing Granger....but one can then say that you wanted athleticsm in the Frontcourt....that one could have easily chosen to play McRoberts...earlier rather then later.
        Last edited by CableKC; 04-08-2010, 05:42 PM.
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          Re: Continuity key to Pacers' late surge

          Originally posted by cdash View Post
          Continuity? I'd say the bigger culprit is "other teams tanking".
          Which ones? I was just watching the Pistons and I'm pretty sure they aren't tanking.

          "Teams that bring in (D-League) guys with a non-guaranteed contract for next year can fit that into any trade situations during the summer," O'Brien said
          Yeps, I brought up this point yesterday in another thread. THe Spurs built a $4 millions TPE this way. With teams looking to clear salary cap for the free-agency period, it can be a very interesting asset they created out of nothing.

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            Re: Continuity key to Pacers' late surge

            Originally posted by cordobes View Post
            Which ones? I was just watching the Pistons and I'm pretty sure they aren't tanking.
            Well, the Wizards gave away their entire team for crap. The Pistons are genuinely terrible, but you also don't get the impression they value winning at this point in the season. New York obviously isn't tanking, they just suck. Really, I don't see tanking as teams actively trying to lose as much as them having a blasé attitude towards winning.

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              Re: Continuity key to Pacers' late surge

              Originally posted by cdash View Post
              Well, the Wizards gave away their entire team for crap.
              Their team wasn't much better than crap. They decided to blow up their team and enter a rebuilding stage. Traded whatever they had with more current value than potential value for future assets. I don't think that's tanking. Pretty much every team in the league is sacrificing wins now to some extend and make moves that make them worse in terms of basketball talent for the sake of higher goals. Even the Pacers are tanking, according to this logic. Anyway, I don't think trading their best players was an option for the Pacers.

              Originally posted by cdash View Post
              The Pistons are genuinely terrible, but you also don't get the impression they value winning at this point in the season.
              Wow, really? Why do you think so? I think the exact opposite. I watched their last 2 games and thought that I've rarely seen a team fighting so hard to get wins. They were hustling like crazy and giving up their bodies.

              Originally posted by cdash View Post
              New York obviously isn't tanking
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              Agreed.

              Really, I don't see tanking as teams actively trying to lose as much as them having a blasé attitude towards winning.
              Also agreed. Tanking teams don't care for winning, want to have better chances of landing a higher pick by the end of the season and act accordingly.

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                Re: Continuity key to Pacers' late surge

                http://my.nba.com/cms/Indiana%20Pace...In%20The%20Web

                "No word on D-League prospect

                Though there was much chatter in the blogosphere about the Pacers planning to sign 6-7 point forward Marcus Williams from the D-League, there was no such word from the team.

                O'Brien said there wouldn't be much value to signing any player from the D-League "other than potential trade value."

                "Teams that bring in (D-League) guys with a non-guaranteed contract for next year can fit that into any trade situations during the summer," O'Brien said. "From the standpoint of if we were to bring in a guy right now, you could not expect to see him in games, let's put it that way."

                A second-round pick of the Spurs out of Arizona in 2007, Williams has spent most of the past three seasons with the Austin Toros, averaging 21.6 points, 6.8 rebounds and 4.4 assists.


                What is wrong with JOB?

                I don't care about this season anymore, what is done is done. I am just looking forward at this point. I pray JOB is not a part of the future after this season. I just don't get him or where he is taking this team.
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                  Re: Continuity key to Pacers' late surge

                  "I think the better our offense is, the better our defense is," said O'Brien. "It seems at least for us that when we're not making shots our defense suffers because our spirits sag a little bit. That's something we would like to correct. But the fact that we're putting up great numbers from the 3-point line, we're playing better defense."
                  So, making 3's is key to defense now, huh? I really don't remember any coach anywhere who has made such a claim. Most decent coaches that I have seen quoted tend to say things more along the lines of "Defense comes first. Our offense is generated from opportunities created by our defensive pressure and runouts off of turnovers and steals."

                  Imagine that! Yet another way our coach has his priorities completely backwards. He never ceases to come up with concepts that have little basis in reality, and virtually everything he is saying now contradicts what he and Bird indicated the focus for the team would be during last off season.

                  It will take a year or two of sound coaching to overcome his belief system, if we are lucky. Why wait, other than to save money?

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                    Re: Continuity key to Pacers' late surge

                    Originally posted by Brad8888 View Post
                    So, making 3's is key to defense now, huh? I really don't remember any coach anywhere who has made such a claim. Most decent coaches that I have seen quoted tend to say things more along the lines of "Defense comes first. Our offense is generated from opportunities created by our defensive pressure and runouts off of turnovers and steals."

                    Imagine that! Yet another way our coach has his priorities completely backwards. He never ceases to come up with concepts that have little basis in reality, and virtually everything he is saying now contradicts what he and Bird indicated the focus for the team would be during last off season.

                    It will take a year or two of sound coaching to overcome his belief system, if we are lucky. Why wait, other than to save money?
                    Well, if you make your threes rather than miss them, that's less long rebounds and transition buckets for the other team. I'd say that most coaches would agree with that logic.

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                      Re: Continuity key to Pacers' late surge

                      Originally posted by rexnom View Post
                      Well, if you make your threes rather than miss them, that's less long rebounds and transition buckets for the other team. I'd say that most coaches would agree with that logic.
                      If he was referring to that aspect, I would agree with you, but he said

                      "I think the better our offense is, the better our defense is," said O'Brien. "It seems at least for us that when we're not making shots our defense suffers because our spirits sag a little bit. That's something we would like to correct. But the fact that we're putting up great numbers from the 3-point line, we're playing better defense."
                      which, to me at least, indicates that he is crediting our improved "spirits" for our improved defense.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Continuity key to Pacers' late surge

                        And once again he's valuing offense over defense. It's ALWAYS about the offense. Everything revolves around the offense. The Norman Dale generic cliches are always there but when he talks nuts and bolts and specifics it's offense first and foremost.
                        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                        "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                        -John Wooden

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                          Re: Continuity key to Pacers' late surge

                          Originally posted by cordobes View Post
                          Their team wasn't much better than crap. They decided to blow up their team and enter a rebuilding stage. Traded whatever they had with more current value than potential value for future assets. I don't think that's tanking. Pretty much every team in the league is sacrificing wins now to some extend and make moves that make them worse in terms of basketball talent for the sake of higher goals. Even the Pacers are tanking, according to this logic. Anyway, I don't think trading their best players was an option for the Pacers.



                          Wow, really? Why do you think so? I think the exact opposite. I watched their last 2 games and thought that I've rarely seen a team fighting so hard to get wins. They were hustling like crazy and giving up their bodies.

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                          Agreed.



                          Also agreed. Tanking teams don't care for winning, want to have better chances of landing a higher pick by the end of the season and act accordingly.
                          Can't argue with any of this. I also can't say that I've watched a great deal of the Pistons beyond when they played the Pacers, so perhaps my opinion on them isn't the best.

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                            Re: Continuity key to Pacers' late surge

                            Originally posted by Brad8888 View Post

                            It will take a year or two of sound coaching to overcome his belief system, if we are lucky. Why wait, other than to save money?

                            It seems to me... that they will lose MORE money by NOT getting rid of JOB before next season..

                            Think about all the wasted P.R. $$dollars$$... JUST TO KEEP HIM AROUND..

                            'Cause it would be a worthless waste pumping more $$ into a P.R. campaign that no one gives a "Steaming Hot Fecal Dropping" about, IF we have to endure yet another year of the"Screaming A$$Clown" on the sidelines..


                            Seems to me they would actually save more money paying another coach, than endure the financial damage inadvertantly caused by retaining JOB... I guarantee you they will lose more money with the apathetic fans not spending their hard earned money to watch their beloved Pacers get ran into the ground by a stubborn coach who fails to learn from his mistakes..
                            So stubborn in fact, that in his failed methodology/rotations/lack of player development , he keeps doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result ..

                            The problem isn't the players , I think we have more than enough talent and potential talent to be a very good basketball team , it is the coach and how he is playing them , along with the CRAP he is apparently putting into their heads...

                            It's no wonder it has taken so long for our players to gain some semblance of playing good basketball and form any sort of "chemistry"..

                            I am beginning to wonder if he speaks both ways out the side of his mouth to our players in practice like he does the media , and us fans... If so, then I can totally see where our young players are left scratching their heads like WTF?! and seem confused at times.. lol

                            That probably would explain the ups and downs of Rush as well.. and his demeanor on court early on in the season, and every so often..




                            Maybe Jim is Bi-Polar ... That would DEFINITELY explain EVERYTHING ..
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