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    A couple of things you may not know about Josh McRoberts:

    A third-year veteran on a team with two rookies and two second-year players, he's nevertheless the youngest player on the roster; and, though some fans clamor for more playing time for the Carmel product, he already has more minutes this season than his first two combined.




    Which is to say he's coming along nicely. It isn't happening all at once, a fact which seems to strain the patience of his strong local fan base, but it is happening.

    The 23-year-old forward is fresh off the most productive game of his career, 18 points on 8-of-9 shooting and 12 rebounds, in a 133-102 rout of Houston on Sunday in Conseco Fieldhouse. It was his second double-double in the last six games, the third of his career.

    All of which is nice, but the spectacular dunks and blocked shots aren't the main reasons McRoberts has found a regular place in the rotation the past few weeks.

    "The metrics from the standpoint of his defense have changed, which is why he's getting playing time," said Coach Jim O'Brien. "He's taking more pride on the defensive end in getting stops, being more active with his hands. That has helped, I think.

    "We have to know guys play at both ends of the court Josh or anybody else. If you're scoring X amount of points and your opponent is scoring 1.5X, it might look good that you're scoring X but the object is to score more than the guy guarding you. Josh has seen that.
    "I sat down with him a couple of weeks ago and showed him his numbers, defensively, when he was on the court, what our field-goal defense was, and it wasn't a pretty sight. That has changed. To his credit he has focused on that and earned the playing time he is getting. I think that's a great sign."

    After appearing in just 21 of the first 57 games, McRoberts has played in 16 of the last 18, averaging 15.4 minutes, 6.0 points and 3.6 rebounds.

    "I've always been confident that I can do a lot of things on the basketball court," McRoberts said. "But getting a lot of minutes, I've been able to get kind of a rhythm and be involved a little bit more. I guess I'm having an opportunity to show what else I can do a little bit.

    "We talked a while back and I'm going to try to do everything I can to try to play. If he tells me to do anything out there I'm going to try to do it to try to get on the court. I'll try to make a concentrated effort on the defensive end to do the things he wants me to do."

    In addition to improving defensively, McRoberts has made 8-of-21 from the 3-point line this season after going 0-of-11 his first two seasons. If he continues to progress in that area, he could become even tougher to keep on the bench.

    McRoberts, who has worked with shooting specialist Billy Keller on his stroke throughout the season, sounds willing to do whatever is necessary to remain with the Pacers. The team has the option to pick up the final season of his contract for 2010-11.

    "I hope to be here for a long time but it's hard to say at this point," McRoberts said. "It's something I haven't thought about. I'm just out there playing and competing and trying to do my best every day. I'd love to be with the Pacers and be a contributor forever, for as long as I can."

    It's beginning to sound like this marriage just might last.

    "Significantly he factors into the plans," said O'Brien. "We have Troy (Murphy) in the last year of his contract and I love bigs that can pass the ball and space the court.

    "Now, he's not at Troy's level spacing the court yet but if he takes a Larry Bird, Reggie Miller mentality from the standpoint of the volume of the threes he can get up, and listens to Billy Keller, who works with him on his shoot, and becomes the type of 3-point shooter that I think he can, with his driving ability and his passing ability, I think he's a significant piece."

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    Not to side track things, but more and more Obie sounds like a coach who will be here next year.

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    Not to side track things, but more and more Obie sounds like a coach who will be here next year.
    Bird said this a couple of weeks ago:

    "(Owner Herb) Simon will have to look at everything," Bird said. "After next year, my contract is up, so is David's, (coach Jim O'Brien), all the scouts and most of the players. They're going to have money. I know one thing, when (Simon) looks at it, he's going to have seven core guys he's going to like."
    I asked Wells for clarification, and he said that Bird had specifically included O'Brien (referring to him as "Jimmy") in that statement.

    When I said that sure sounded like Bird had already decided to keep O'Brien, Wells responded, "I haven't heard anything different."

    On several occasions earlier this year, Wells tweeted that Bird had no intention of firing O'Brien, but that was all before that road trip out West.

    I'm not going to get into the rest of the silliness that's associated with talking about O'Brien around here, but, yeah, I'd say that if Bird's back, then O'Brien's back.

    At this point, it sure as hell looks like they're a combo.

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    Is the man who is in love with Troy Murphy seriously talking about defense? Seriously?

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    I don't even know where to begin......

    I guess I do, I am now about to join in on the anti-Bird bandwagon. I have been a pretty solid supporter of him so far and really liked some of the moves he has made, but keeping this coach around is just more than I can take.

    I really can no longer blame Jim for being Jim, it is now on Bird. If he is going to keep him around then he really should make the changes that are essential to give him the players that he wants and will use. No more of these players that will take a year to learn the system only to have them really be no better at it (T.J. Ford) and no more defensive players that do not stretch the floor (S. & D. Jones).

    He needs to aquire a team of Kyle Korver, Mike Miller and figure out if there is anyway to pry Ben Gordon from the Pistons.

    Man I didn't really need to read this today.


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    "Now, he's not at Troy's level spacing the court yet but if he takes a Larry Bird, Reggie Miller mentality from the standpoint of the volume of the threes he can get up, and listens to Billy Keller, who works with him on his shoot, and becomes the type of 3-point shooter that I think he can, with his driving ability and his passing ability, I think he's a significant piece."
    I just want to throw up! If JOB were standing here, I'd be sure to throw up on him!

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    He mentions defense, yet is enamored with Murphy.

    He mentions a Bird/Miller-like volume of 3s from McBob. Seriously, can you not tell that his comfort area and strength is inside, up close? So tired of 4's who are 25 feet from the basket. It's nice to be able to shoot the 3, but I don't want J'Ob training McBob, who gravitates towards the paint naturally, to be standing forever out on the 3 point line. That's like buying a truck for the acceleration and a Corvette to haul things. Why don't we train our PGs to hang out in the paint and block-out and rebound and set picks?
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    When people on this site are saying they are fed up with the direction of the team, that's saying something.

    I made it through the Artest years, followed by the actions of Tinsley, Jackson, Williams. Made it through the losing the past couple of seasons.

    But keeping this coach around is making me turn away from this franchise. And I know I'm not the only one, Seth saying he's not renewing his half-season tix, along with others, and more debating it.

    How long until football season is here?

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    I'm very encouraged with what I'm seeing. I think Bird and O'Brien are doing a very good job - they are committed to a long term strategy, they are developing the younger players and the recent strong play has shown promise for the future.

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    Here's an article from NBA.com writer Sekou Smith about Josh that will at least not make you want to rip your hair out like Bruno's. Click the link to see the videos. I couldn't find the embed codes.


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    HANG TIME HEADQUARTERS – Don’t laugh.

    The most underrated dunker in the league deserves a nickname.

    It always helps if you can identify said dunker. And with Pacers’ reserve forward Josh McRoberts hiding behind that lumberjack beard, you could confuse his mug shot with one of say a hockey player or professional bowler.

    Check him out on the floor, though, and it’s clear that he operates in that space above the rim that we all love.

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    Now I know we’ve been down this road before; playing the hype game with an exciting dunker and assuming that somehow translates into him being able to perform on the contest stage during All-Star Weekend (you know who you are Shannon Brown and DeMar DeRozan).

    But our previous test subjects didn’t have the signature look McRoberts does. The former Duke star (yes, I used those two words together and didn’t make a snide comment) has everything we need, the hops, chops and desire (per a couple of our best spies in Indianapolis).

    If we can’t start a grassroots movement for the NBA’s first lumberjack dunker, then we all need to find something else to do with our time.

    Check him out and tell me we haven’t stumbled on to the sleeper pick for the 2011 Slam Dunk title (sorry Krypto-Nate):

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    Oh, and this one, too:

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    And this nice catch and finish here:

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    I've not watched Josh's defense, so I can't come at this from that direction, but I think even on Troy's bad defense days I don't see him give up more points and rebounds than he scores.

    This is often because he isn't on the top big man for whoever we are playing, while Josh tends to be, but still, saying Murphy gives up 20 points when he scores 14 is a stretch even for people who would deny the sky was blue if Jim O'Brien said it.

    I know there are people out there who might be able to show what Josh did or did not give up, so perhaps that's a better way to refute JOB than to switch gears and say, "what about Troy, then..."
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    this was an ok piece until that last paragraph where JOB goes:

    "Now, he's not at Troy's level spacing the court yet but if he takes a Larry Bird, Reggie Miller mentality from the standpoint of the volume of the threes he can get up, and listens to Billy Keller, who works with him on his shoot, and becomes the type of 3-point shooter that I think he can, with his driving ability and his passing ability, I think he's a significant piece."
    Did somebody forget the green text or is this for real?! I thought USF was making a joke here with that last paragraph...that is just disturbing.

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    I know I posted this in another thread, but if "THE CLOWN" is back I am done with this team.

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    Man, this coach really is out of touch.
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    I've not watched Josh's defense, so I can't come at this from that direction, but I think even on Troy's bad defense days I don't see him give up more points and rebounds than he scores.

    This is often because he isn't on the top big man for whoever we are playing, while Josh tends to be, but still, saying Murphy gives up 20 points when he scores 14 is a stretch even for people who would deny the sky was blue if Jim O'Brien said it.

    I know there are people out there who might be able to show what Josh did or did not give up, so perhaps that's a better way to refute JOB than to switch gears and say, "what about Troy, then..."
    It's not the "well look, Troy sucked worse"

    It's more like...how can a guy, who has so much love for the game of a guy who doesn't play defense, make like the reason Josh wasn't getting time was because of defense. If a coach is playing Dunleavy and Murphy on a consistent basis, and in Murphy's case an extended amount of time, that coach either does not care about defense, or does not care about defense at the position those two are playing at. And seeing as both have played the same position as Josh...it's just another example of JOB talking out his butt.

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    It makes no sense for the Pacers to hire someone else at this point. It doesn't. I don't like JOB at all from a basketball perspective. But there is really no indication that we are going to have another coach next year. JOB will be here for one more year. I don't like that Larry is tying his job to JOB, because I think he is getting the right kind of players, but they aren't being used well.

    You guys can't get your expectations all out of shape and want things changed on the fly. That's not how things work in the NBA. JOB could very well be done by the middle of next year in my hopes. But to be reasonable, the expectation is to have him around until the end of next year, when the NBA comes up with a new collective bargaining agreement. It was probably Simon that wanted to extend JOB one year so he would not have to pay a coach for nothing.

    I want to get rid of JOB as much as anyone, but I am not going to abandon my team because the franchise isn't ready for a new coach. I think a few of the players may disagree, and that will become evident next year. Maybe this gives Lester Conner the inside track on an head coaching gig.

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    It makes no sense for the Pacers to hire someone else at this point. It doesn't. I don't like JOB at all from a basketball perspective. But there is really no indication that we are going to have another coach next year. JOB will be here for one more year. I don't like that Larry is tying his job to JOB, because I think he is getting the right kind of players, but they aren't being used well.

    You guys can't get your expectations all out of shape and want things changed on the fly. That's not how things work in the NBA. JOB could very well be done by the middle of next year in my hopes. But to be reasonable, the expectation is to have him around until the end of next year, when the NBA comes up with a new collective bargaining agreement. It was probably Simon that wanted to extend JOB one year so he would not have to pay a coach for nothing.

    I want to get rid of JOB as much as anyone, but I am not going to abandon my team because the franchise isn't ready for a new coach. I think a few of the players may disagree, and that will become evident next year. Maybe this gives Lester Conner the inside track on an head coaching gig.
    I really like the idea of hiring a good assistant coach (Bill L or someone else) to get to know the players and such. See how JOB does next season, and fire him when the team starts stinking. Someone brought up the fact that you can't pay two coaches and ask the state of Indiana for money..then you have the lockout (which most likely won't last as long as people think it will) so have a good assistant coach with the promise that the team will be his shortly..let him get familiar with the players..and give him the job when the team doesn't play well..

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    I've been saying this for months, get prepared for Jimmy coaching next year. Get prepared for more of the 1st 65 games of this season next season. Anyone who thinks Bird is going to fire Jimmy b4 next season is living in a delusional state of mind. It AIN'T happ'n folks!

    Bird's contract was up after this season, when did he sign a year extension? Did I miss something?

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    Holy cow. Trimmed and re-ordered for emphasis.

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    It's beginning to sound like this marriage just might last.

    In addition to improving defensively, McRoberts has made 8-of-21 from the 3-point line this season after going 0-of-11 his first two seasons. If he continues to progress in that area, he could become even tougher to keep on the bench.

    "Now, he's not at Troy's level spacing the court yet but if he takes a Larry Bird, Reggie Miller mentality from the standpoint of the volume of the threes he can get up, and listens to Billy Keller, who works with him on his shoot, and becomes the type of 3-point shooter that I think he can, with his driving ability and his passing ability, I think he's a significant piece."

    McRoberts, who has worked with shooting specialist Billy Keller on his stroke throughout the season, sounds willing to do whatever is necessary to remain with the Pacers.

    "We talked a while back and I'm going to try to do everything I can to try to play. If he tells me to do anything out there I'm going to try to do it to try to get on the court.
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    So, the truth comes out. O'B is attempting to change McRoberts into a replacement for Murphy, including shooting 3's and not being in position to play defense as a 4. I have thought so since the first instance of him taking a three during summer league prior to his injury, but it is interesting to finally read things that clearly allude to that.

    It is plain and simple. Josh will only get playing time here next year if he somehow hits 3's unless and until O'B is gone. He must be hitting them in shootarounds and practices on top of hitting 8-21 in games.

    How dare O'B take away the inside offensive game that Josh is so well suited for just to have another guy to chuck more 3's.

    With somebody else like Josh on the floor down low with Roy who has athleticism and quickness and the ability to score, Roy wouldn't be left to face the defense that our "floor stretcher" Troy can't draw away from Roy.

    Also, obviously the reason that Josh is improving within the team concept of defense now, despite the apparent focus on comparing Josh's scoring with that of his counterparts on opposing teams which really is a misleading metric at best, IMO, is the fact that he is finally being allowed to play and get used to playing with the same guys more consistently, therefore allowing him to understand where he needs to actually be in games as opposed to practices where all he probably plays defense against is our "floor stretcher" which basically gives Josh no experience whatsoever at playing his actual position at the 4.

    Yet another example of not being able to believe a thing O'B ever says about anything.

    O'B has no business being on the sidelines, or in any position that has anything to do with basketball operations. Until he is totally out, there is no hope of moving forward as a franchise IMO. If that means that Bird has to go, in order to make that an option, so be it. That would be a shame, though, because I think Bird understands how to make decent moves given the financial constraints he has had to work under.

    I didn't think it was possible for me to become more apathetic and pessimistic when it comes to the Pacers, but that article has easily managed to do both. Horrible news in light of Josh's progress, IMO.
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    I feel bad for posting this............
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    "Now, he's not at Troy's level spacing the court yet but if he takes a Larry Bird, Reggie Miller mentality from the standpoint of the volume of the threes he can get up, and listens to Billy Keller, who works with him on his shoot, and becomes the type of 3-point shooter that I think he can, with his driving ability and his passing ability, I think he's a significant piece."
    It was really an OK piece until these parts. Why can't I have a real PF? Why? Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?
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    Not to side track things, but more and more Obie sounds like a coach who will be here next year.
    You're surprised by this?

    It's simple....the Simons can't afford to pay for 2 Coaches. At best.....Obie is gone 10 games into the 2010-2011 Losing Streak that starts off the season and Lester Connor becomes the Interim Coach.
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    I took the volume of threes like Miller/Bird thing to be more of a practice guideline. As in, if McRoberts worked on the three with determination on his own/in the gym/whatever it would only help him as a player. Which is pretty much true.

    I especially believe this as he says it all in line with working with Billy Keller.

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    I feel bad for posting this............
    Actually, thank you for posting this here.

    I, and lots of others here, would have likely seen it elsewhere anyway like you did, and the same reactions would have happened anyway, mine included.

    You just happened to be the person who ended up posting it here first.

    For you,

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