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    Default Two years from now: Top 10 point guards in the NBA?

    Title says it all. Your thoughts?
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    Default Re: Two years from now: Top 10 point guards in the NBA?

    It's two years. That's a long time in the NBA. So who knows?

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    Default Re: Two years from now: Top 10 point guards in the NBA?

    This excludes anyone in the '11 draft class.

    Group 1: Paul, Wall, Rose
    Group 2: D. Williams, Rondo, Westbrook
    Group 3: D. Harris, B. Jennings, D. Collison, M. Ellis

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    Default Re: Two years from now: Top 10 point guards in the NBA?

    Paul, Deron Williams, Derrick Rose, Rondo

    Then there will be 12-15 others that will be continuously noted as Top Ten, depending on who you're talking to.

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    Default Re: Two years from now: Top 10 point guards in the NBA?

    Paul, Deron, Rose, Westbrook, and then Wall.

    Rondo slips after he gets a contract. But I think a player comes out of no where to surprise people. A Beaubois type player.

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    Not Watson, Price or Ford.

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    Default Re: Two years from now: Top 10 point guards in the NBA?

    I'm less interested in ranking them, and more interested in figuring out if there are any point guards the Pacers could legitimately target this summer.
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    Default Re: Two years from now: Top 10 point guards in the NBA?

    If Deron Williams played for a team in a bigger market, he would already be known as the best PG in the NBA. I don't see anyone taking that spot from him anytime in the next 2 years.
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    I'm less interested in ranking them, and more interested in figuring out if there are any point guards the Pacers could legitimately target this summer.
    Fantastic Point guards are pretty rare. If a team has one, they won't let them go typically.

    That being said, NO wants to "not spend money" ..and has two extremely good point guards. So if we're trying to get one..Collison or Paul would be the best bet.

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    I'm less interested in ranking them, and more interested in figuring out if there are any point guards the Pacers could legitimately target this summer.
    Rose, Westbrook, Rondo, and Jennings are unattainable for the Pacers.
    D. Williams and Harris are only attainable if their team lands Wall.
    Paul is probably unattainable.

    Ellis is probably attainable at the right price (not that I necessarily want him).
    Collison is probably attainable.
    Theoretically, either Flynn or Rubio is attainable.
    Felton is attainable.

    Can't think of anyone else it would make sense to trade for at PG unless we're talking complete sleepers here.

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    Default Re: Two years from now: Top 10 point guards in the NBA?

    1. Westbrook
    2. Paul
    3. Williams
    4. Rose
    5. Wall
    6. Felton
    7. Curry
    8. Lawson
    9. Collison
    10. Rondo

    I think Rondo won't be as effective once he loses his go to guys on the Celtics and I think Felton will become a Billups like player in the sense he will take off in a new system. Harris has taken a few steps back with me and Jennings seems overhyped and not ultimately effective(as flashy as he may be).

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    1. Westbrook
    2. Paul
    3. Williams
    4. Rose
    5. Wall
    6. Felton
    7. Curry
    8. Lawson
    9. Collison
    10. Rondo

    I think Rondo won't be as effective once he loses his go to guys on the Celtics and I think Felton will become a Billups like player in the sense he will take off in a new system. Harris has taken a few steps back with me and Jennings seems overhyped and not ultimately effective(as flashy as he may be).
    really? i think rondo is the glue holding those guys together. if not for rondo that team would be hurting a lot worse than they are.
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    If Deron Williams played for a team in a bigger market, he would already be known as the best PG in the NBA. I don't see anyone taking that spot from him anytime in the next 2 years.
    He very well could be after the 2011-2012 season. . . his contract is up in two years.

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    really? i think rondo is the glue holding those guys together. if not for rondo that team would be hurting a lot worse than they are.
    I agree with that, but once he loses the talent around him I believe he will start showing more weaknesses in the process. He's had a few attitude problems, I'm not sure he can be relied upon as a leader and frustration would eventually get to him. I love defensive players and for that reason I like Rondo a lot, at the same time I believe a lot of PGs would look much better with KG/Pierce/Allen around them.

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    I agree with that, but once he loses the talent around him I believe he will start showing more weaknesses in the process. He's had a few attitude problems, I'm not sure he can be relied upon as a leader and frustration would eventually get to him. I love defensive players and for that reason I like Rondo a lot, at the same time I believe a lot of PGs would look much better with KG/Pierce/Allen around them.
    yea i would agree with that much.

    but on the other hand, if any other pg's had those 3 guys while they developed and then lost them, theyd be in the same position as rondo.

    but im with you on the defensive ability. hes top 2 probably with on ball defense. and hes probably top 3 in passing in my opinion, but with the attitude questions and such i can see his overall rank dropping. i hope he can prove us both wrong, i think hes a special talent.
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    Default Re: Two years from now: Top 10 point guards in the NBA?

    What about Rodrique Boubois(sp?)

    40pts. 8ribs. tonight.

    is he attainable?
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    is he attainable?
    not with anything the Pacers would be willing to give up.

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    no mention at all of Tyreke Evans?
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    I'm less interested in ranking them, and more interested in figuring out if there are any point guards the Pacers could legitimately target this summer.
    How are we going to target them this summer? We have no Capspace and no Team that has any of them would be interested in moving them for anything that we have to offer.

    The only PG that I think we have a remote chance of acquiring THIS SUMMER is Felton through a S&T involving Ford. But I think the reality is that if we are looking for a PG...it's going to be hard to acquire one ( since any good ones aren't to be had ).....any realistic Starting PG that we get would be through the draft.

    BTW....IF Bird has the chance to go after Felton and it involved Ford...I'd consider it.
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    What about Rodrique Boubois(sp?)

    40pts. 8ribs. tonight.

    is he attainable?
    I was at the game and watched him.....please note that he was playing against the Warriors and they had ZERO answer to stop him from scoring. But from watching him play....he seems more like a super quick undersized SG that can score that has some passing ability but he doesn't really seem like the type of PG that you'd want as a Long-Term solution to being a Starting PG.
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    Default Re: Two years from now: Top 10 point guards in the NBA?

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    I'm less interested in ranking them, and more interested in figuring out if there are any point guards the Pacers could legitimately target this summer.
    Gnome and I talked about this the other day and really all we could come up with is "we're f****d".

    2 years ago you had a nice list of aging but still had 2-3 good years left vets like Miller, Billups, Kidd and Nash (3 of which were dealt even). But now that whole crop is too old.

    Meanwhile the new crop is all too young and promising. I'm not buying into the long term success of Lawson, Flynn or even Collison just yet, but even if they do become major quality PGs no team now wants to move them.

    You just aren't going to get Paul, D Williams, Rose, Jennings, Wall, Evans, A Brooks, Westbrook, Holiday, etc. They won't be available to the Pacers at all.

    Harris is about the only possible one, and I'm not sure he's really the answer given his heavy focus on scoring first.


    I also don't rank Felton or Conley anywhere near those main high quality PG types. Right now they both might be passed not only by all the guys I mentioned (including Flynn, etc), but Beaubois and several others.

    I'd rather just draft Vasquez than acquire Felton or Conley.
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    Default Re: Two years from now: Top 10 point guards in the NBA?

    We really, really should have come out of this draft with a PG. Gotta hope Price becomes something special.

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    no mention at all of Tyreke Evans?
    A lot of people consider him more of a shooting guard. If his technical position is indeed point guard, then yeah I'd throw him on the PG list.

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    What about Rodrique Boubois(sp?)

    40pts. 8ribs. tonight.

    is he attainable?
    I don't see why they'd want to get rid of him when Kidd only has a couple years left in the tank. That said, who knows what Cuban might do. If he feels like next year is the last year of his championship window, he could do it. But it would have to be after he makes a run at Lebron and inevitably comes up short.

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    With the way they're aging I think there's a very good chance both Nash and Billups will still be top-10 point guards in two years, and even Kidd still looks strong. But since we're talking about young guys, guys who could be franchise points guards for the foreseeable future, and since there's so much PG talent in the league, I'm going to omit them from my list.


    1. Chris Paul
    2. Deron Williams
    3. Derrick Rose
    4. John Wall
    5. Gilbert Arenas
    6. Stephen Curry
    7. Ty Lawson
    8. Russell Westbrook
    9. Rajon Rondo
    10. Brandon Jennings

    Next Ten...

    Tony Parker
    Baron Davis
    Aaron Brooks
    Darren Collison
    Devin Harris
    Ricky Rubio
    Jameer Nelson
    Mo Williams
    Jose Calderon
    Raymond Felton


    Dark Horses...
    Goran Dragic
    Sergio Rodriguez
    Ramon Sessions
    Randy Foye
    Eric Bledsoe
    Jrue Holiday
    Rodrigue Beaubois
    Jonny Flynn
    A.J. Price
    Eric Maynor
    Mike Conley

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