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    http://www.indycornrows.com/2010/4/1...rking-to-prove

    I thought he proved he belonged a while ago...

    Anyway, I take issue with O'brien's quote. At the end of the day, Price isn't ready to start next season.(Well, as a really good starter, but he'd be better than TJ) .but that's not what was off about it.

    1. Way too much focus on where he was drafted. It wasn't about talent, it was because he was one of the oldest and most injury prone PGs, in a really heavy PG class (with another rumored brain aneuryism)..and because he went a lot lower than he should have. The real truth is that when other "top" point guards got as much time as AJ did, they performed no better. So how can we label Ty Lawson and Darren Collison as future starters, when they could do no better than Price in the same amount of minutes given to them. It was only when they actually got more minutes did they show what they could fully do. I think Price has shown enough to warrant consideration that he could be our future starter. (If we aren't looking for an All Star there)

    2. This is the same guy that in January was saying Price could already start for a .500 team, and we could "wait and see" about being a championship calibeer PG. With his GM (Larry) saying at worst he'll be a "fantastic backup." What's with the switch? Or is it just so you can feel better about benching him for no reason.

    3. JOB seems to completely disregard the idea that Price is a rookie who can improve. So yea, I agree with the last part, where he wasn't a starting PG for a championship team. He's not there yet, but the idea that he can't be is simply unfair to him. I also kind of got a chuckle out of the "here or another team" comment from JOB. Price will be in Indy far longer than JOB will be here. This shouldn't be suprising though, JOB doesn't understand what developement is.

    Anyway, I just found the comment to be negative..in fact, probably the first negative comment he's made about Price. And it's funny because it's a lot like the Josh "irrelevant" comment. Where yea, JOB is right in a way..but he didn't have to say it like that. A comment of "we'll see where he is in the future, but next season he'll be a solid backup PG" is a whole lot less..negative. Sorry, Jimmy just annoyed me again. :P
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    Sometimes I wonder if Obie does this as a motivational tool. It is dumb that he said those things in January and now sounds luke warm at best. I mean if its to make sure AJ has a hard working summer then fine, but it's really how he feels then why say that sunshiney stuff. Makes no sense.

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    I've edited my original post to reflect coming down off the ledge. The original quote from the article was:

    "I don't think he's the solution," O'Brien responded. "There's a reason he was drafted in the 50's. I think a lot of people missed the boat from a stand-point of drafting him earlier than that but he's got a long way to go."

    "I don't think we would be real happy to say that he's necessarily going to be the point guard of the future," JOB reiterated just in case we missed the initial diss. "I think frankly, until proven differently, we need to do better at the point guard. And that's not to say that I'm not very pleased with A.J., I am. I just think he's going to be a very solid backup the next couple of years and if he can work in with us or with another team and earn a starting job, that might be down the road but it's not going to be in his second year."

    Now my *New* spin on it as an homage to what I WISH JOB would have said, maybe we can dig up his best quotes, turn them into positives as a way to put the season behind us and look ahead positive-like. Here goes mine:

    "I don't think he's the solution [we all thought we were looking for]," O'Brien responded. "There's a reason [we now look good considering] he was drafted in the 50's. I think a lot of people missed the boat from a stand-point of drafting him earlier than that but he's got [a lot of talent and] a long way to go [yet]."

    "I don't think we would be real happy to say that he's necessarily going to be the point guard of the future, [because we may consider moving him to the 2]. I think frankly, until proven differently, we need to do better at the point guard [position as a whole]. And that's not to say that I'm not very pleased with A.J., I am. I just think he's going to be a very solid backup the next couple of years and if he can work in with us or with another team and earn a starting job, that might be down the road but it's not [out of the realm of possibility if he gets things going even though this is only] going to be in his second year."
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    And now the case for JOB's insanity defense:

    Exhibit A: +/- for THE WHOLE YEAR, I'll give you 1 guess who led the team I'll give you two more guesses for who finished 10th and 12th respectively and then ONE MORE GUESS at who JOB decided to belittle publicly and play the least:

    http://www.nba.com/statistics/plusmi...=9&team=Pacers

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    And now the case for JOB's insanity defense:

    Exhibit A: +/- for THE WHOLE YEAR, I'll give you 1 guess who led the team I'll give you two more guesses for who finished 10th and 12th respectively and then ONE MORE GUESS at who JOB decided to belittle publicly and play the least:

    http://www.nba.com/statistics/plusmi...=9&team=Pacers
    LOL, Jimmy's favorite Stat doesn't exactly work in his favor does it..I'm glad that Larry hasn't changed his opinion on AJ. Wish he would on Obie though..

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    So you guys think AJ should be the starter next year?
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    I want the best Point Guard on this team to start....I personally don't care who it is......I think every year you should have an open competition the best players start no matter what their name is or their history with the team.

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    So you guys think AJ should be the starter next year?
    We'll know once we see this D-Leaguer play in the summer games.

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    I want the best Point Guard on this team to start....I personally don't care who it is......I think every year you should have an open competition the best players start no matter what their name is or their history with the team.
    That's how I feel

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    So you guys think AJ should be the starter next year?
    if we went into camp with TJ and the D Leaguer, and JOB was fair in who he gave the starting spot too..I would think AJ would most likely earn it.

    But the problem I had was the "he can't ever be the solution" statement..and the overall negative tone. It had the same feel as the irrelevant comment. I mean christ, did he make mistakes, yes..but he also showed good decision making, good shooting, good passing the team tended to play better when he was in, and hasn't had the opportunity to show whether he was capable of being a leader and such (which he was very much so in college) ..and Obie comes out with "I hope he's not the solution" BS. He must have realized he gave AJ far too much praise this season, and needed to throw an insult out there...he should go on to talk about how Troy is every coach's dream at the PF spot.
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    After re-reading the JOB quote I will concede the man has a right to his opinion. And it's easy to come on here and pile on and be a monday morning qb and such. I just don't understand why he says the things he does. He could have said something like:

    "Look, we couldn't be happier with AJ, he exceeded all of our expectations. To call him the point guard of the future, well we're not going to go that far just yet, and we'll keep trying to improve our team any way we can, but as far as AJ goes we couldn't be happier with what he gave us this year and we're looking forward to continued progress and seeing what he'll bring to the table next season."

    That's all I wanted to hear

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    "....we need to do better at the point guard......I just think he's going to be a very solid backup the next couple of years and if he can work in with us or with another team and earn a starting job, that might be down the road but it's not going to be in his second year."

    I think this bit is exactly right. AJ's good, but we don't need to settle for good.

    All those other phrases which sound a bit snarky and which he proceeds to contradict right after saying them (like this example: "There's a reason he was drafted in the 50's. I think a lot of people missed the boat from a stand-point of drafting him earlier than that..." ) are either examples of JOB's limited social skills, or are what Speed referred to....motivational coach-speak.
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    These are good points, a lot of it could just be chalked up to things just not coming out right. Hey, it's the offseason so I'm going to let go of the bitterness and just be hopeful towards next year. Thanks for helping me come to my senses

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    "....we need to do better at the point guard......I just think he's going to be a very solid backup the next couple of years and if he can work in with us or with another team and earn a starting job, that might be down the road but it's not going to be in his second year."

    I think this bit is exactly right. AJ's good, but we don't need to settle for good.

    All those other phrases which sound a bit snarky and which he proceeds to contradict right after saying them (like this example: "There's a reason he was drafted in the 50's. I think a lot of people missed the boat from a stand-point of drafting him earlier than that..." ) are either examples of JOB's limited social skills, or are what Speed referred to....motivational coach-speak.

    That comment is fair, and fine...but this one

    "I don't think we would be real happy to say that he's necessarily going to be the point guard of the future,"

    WTF? And in the same breath he'll talk about how wonderful Watson is..and how he would have started Watson..

    He's not going to be an all star, but jesus not every player is. But he's certainly got "good starter and leadership skill" potential..which could be all Indy needs..to say to a rooke "we aren't going to be happy if you are our future starter" Seriously?

    Honestly, I think this was JOB "talking out his butt" and not being able to say anything nice about a younger guy thing again. It's consistent with him and his feelings. But still, the man annoys me. As I said, he hasn't said anything rude about AJ this season...he had to get it in at some point...he got all the other young guys. (Doesn't like Tyler's defense, Countless Roy quotes, Rush can't handle getting his minutes reduced he's too sensitive, Josh is irrelevant ect...)
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    It does seem to be a "not what he says but HOW he says it thing" that quote could really mean:

    "I don't think we would be [satisfied] to say that he's [definitely] going to be the point guard of the future [at this point],"

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    In the end, AJ's season far exceeded my expectations this year. It was fun to follow him playing well, and when it didn't seem out of the realm of possibility for him to get more minutes, I really wanted to see what would have happened had he gotten them.

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    Isn't JOB from Philly? Not a city full of the most diplomatic people in the world.
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    It does seem to be a "not what he says but HOW he says it thing" that quote could really mean:

    "I don't think we would be [satisfied] to say that he's [definitely] going to be the point guard of the future [at this point],"
    Perhaps..or perhaps JOB really doesn't understand that younger guys can actually improve. His quotes and his actions suggest he doesn't..

    I'm just sick of him..and everytime I think he couldn't possibly say anything dumber..or be a little less tactless, or make a worse coaching decision..he manages too.
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    Why bring up where he was drafted at all. You don't here people dog on Arenas, Ginobili, or Boozer about where they were drafted. What if they were held down after their first season because they were drafted in the second round. They only get praised for being second round "steals". Who cares, once you step on the court thats where you prove yourself. Should Adam Morrison start for the Lakers, he was the 3rd pick in the draft.
    As for AJ, he should improve, maybe enough to start next year. But, I want our PG to be a leader, like Jackson was. I hope AJ can step up and be a starter and a leader, even though it will only be his second year. We'll have to wait until October to find out.

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    My problem with JOB is just this - he's got POSSIBLE talents, for "free" on his own bench, and he just blatantly refuses to go exploring.

    Everyone on his block is finding oil and gold in their backyard, he's got the tell-tale signs of both, and refuses to do any mining or drilling even though he already owns the equipment.

    Yep, heaven forbid you play AJ, Josh and Roy TOO MUCH and ruin your playoff run just to find out that in fact they will only be average at best players, all with the chance to find out that they are better than you thought.

    His risk for playing them was incredibly low, his potential gain was very high. If the casino gives you a 1% chance of losing $20 and 94% chance of nothing to go with a 5% chance of winning $1m, you take it. That's 5 to 1 odds AND better than that given the payout.

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    That's been evident for quite sometime.

    What I find humorous is him talking about someone else's abilities when his ability has garnered the Pacers a 104-142 record over 3 years. I notice he has never mentions his own abilities, I wonder why that is?

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    Isn't JOB from Philly? Not a city full of the most diplomatic people in the world.

    Jimmy must have forgotten it's the "city of brotherly love."

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    Much as I dislike all of these seeming contradictions, OB is a guy who shoots from the hip. So what does everyone want here? A coach who claims he's got to find a way to get A.J. Price more playing time or the coach who then never found playing time for A.J. Price for a few weeks?
    Wait.....

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    Isn't JOB from Philly? Not a city full of the most diplomatic people in the world.
    Worse. He's from Jersey.

    And it's not easy being worse than a guy from from Philly.
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    My problem with JOB is just this - he's got POSSIBLE talents, for "free" on his own bench, and he just blatantly refuses to go exploring.

    Everyone on his block is finding oil and gold in their backyard, he's got the tell-tale signs of both, and refuses to do any mining or drilling even though he already owns the equipment.

    Yep, heaven forbid you play AJ, Josh and Roy TOO MUCH and ruin your playoff run just to find out that in fact they will only be average at best players, all with the chance to find out that they are better than you thought.

    His risk for playing them was incredibly low, his potential gain was very high. If the casino gives you a 1% chance of losing $20 and 94% chance of nothing to go with a 5% chance of winning $1m, you take it. That's 5 to 1 odds AND better than that given the payout.
    I think he sees everything you do, but there is some overriding reason why he downplays the younger and cheaper players. Otherwise, it (e.g. the irrelevant comment) simply doesn't make sense.

    Honestly, I have concluded it's one of these:

    1) Money is driving it. Troy is an expensive asset you want to move, so you don't sit him because of that. Instead you pump him up. AJ and Josh are cheap but the Pacers want to hang onto him, so they downplay their value with the hope their agents don't push negotiations.

    2) JOb is simply a poor judge of talent and/or a bad coach.

    3) JOb believes that playing the vets, including Murphy and TJ, is the best way to win...and he is correct about that.

    I think #3 is very questionable based on the record with and without Troy and TJ.....and the plus-minus. I'm really torn over #1 and #2.

    If there is another explanation, I am all ears.

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