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    Brandon Rush has had a forgettable career thus far, but as we head into the home stretch he may be on his way to a milestone of sorts. Rush has a PER of just 9.96 in his second pro season, but somehow leads the Pacers in minutes played with 2,159 --157 more than the next closest player, Troy Murphy.

    If he manages to maintain his lead, he’ll claim the dubious distinction of being the worst player ever to lead his team in minutes. My search through the record books unearthed only two other players in the post-merger era to lead their team in minutes with a single-digit PER: Bruce Bowen with San Antonio in 2003-04, and Jason Collins with the Nets a season later.

    But those were two of the best defensive players of the decade (if not ever, in Bowen’s case), so it’s obvious why they played so much. Rush is just an average defender, making his usage more perplexing.

    Sure, Indiana is a bad team, but even on bad teams, the leader in minutes is usually a player of some accomplishment. The leaders on New Jersey (Brook Lopez) and Minnesota (Al Jefferson), for instance, have stellar PERs despite the woeful state of their teams.

    In Rush’s case, injuries to Danny Granger and Mike Dunleavy, the frequent use of smaller lineups and the team’s general dissatisfaction with free-agent bust Dahntay Jones have conspired to keep him on the floor for 30 minutes per game in spite of his own mediocrity. He just needs to keep up that pace for a dozen more games to claim this “record.”
    He needs to start watching Brandon's recent play before he goes and talks nonsense. Brandon's definitly taking adavantage of his time.

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    and brandon's not just an "average defender."

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    If he manages to maintain his lead, he’ll claim the dubious distinction of being the worst player ever to lead his team in minutes.



    Rush is just an average defender, making his usage more perplexing.

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    Maybe we need to worry more about the PF position:

    http://www.82games.com/0910/09IND6.HTM#bypos

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    He's played the most minutes because he's the only player who's appeared in all 72 games this year. And Jason Collins was so, so much worse.

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    and brandon's not just an "average defender."
    Agreed. Brandon is absolutely an above average defender.
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    Rush is just an average defender, making his usage more perplexing.
    Can we say...credibility killer?

    I mean, I could accept that Pacers fans overvalue his defense. I could accept saying that he's "just an above average defender." I think I would disagree with that ultimately, because Rush has enough elite level performances to place him somewhere in a range between above average and elite and he clearly has the physical tools and desire to make a living on the defensive end. But at least it would be a reasonable disagreement.
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    Hollinger loves to say D Jones is a bust. I agree I think BRUsh will be seen as a very very good defender before it's all said and done.

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    Hollinger loves to say D Jones is a bust. I agree I think BRUsh will be seen as a very very good defender before it's all said and done.
    Between the 2, I'd say Brandon is definitly the better SG hands down.

    Both play similar defense, but Brandon's shooting is far better and his scoring is consistent.

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    He's played the most minutes because he's the only player who's appeared in all 72 games this year.
    Yes, this. The kid is durable. Which is a miracle of near epic proportions on a Pacers team.
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    It would be absolutely outragous to trade him.

    I was relieved the Bobcats trade didn't go through.

    I'm also pretty convinced he won't be moved based on the amount of minutes he's getting and he's playing better now at this time than he did last season.

    He's been much more consistent this season.

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    So many odd things in this article.

    First, all this really does is show how injured our shooting guard spot has been this year. I love how he mentions that stars on other teams lead their teams in minutes, and then goes on to say our main guys have been hurt. How can a top player lead his team in minutes when they are not on the floor? Absurd.

    Second, does John even know who Brandon Rush is? He basically pimped out Jason Collins over him, on the topic of defense, nonetheless. Unreal. I’m not the biggest Rush fan in the world, but even I know that’s Brandon’s calling card.

    Third, this guys hates Dahntay Jones. I know it was just a little blurb, but was mentioning him even necessary? I remember him ripping on the four year deal what we signed him. You would have thought we offered a D-Leaguer a max deal or something.

    This article was irrelevant.

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    Defense isn't something that you can verify with stats, this is why Hollinger's PER doesn't do Rush any justice. Defense is more than blocked shots and steals. You don't get a stat for contesting a shot. You don't get a stat for denying your man the lane and forcing him to pass. There's just no stat for some things Rush brings to the table.

    Look at Shane Battier for example. If you looked at his stats you would think he's only an "average" player too. Last year his PER was 10.68. This year it's 11.24.

    So when you look at Rush's 9.96, is it really that absurd? Worst player ever to lead his team in minutes? False. Maybe "worst player ever based on my statistical rating that places very little to no emphasis on defense... to lead his team in minutes." I think that's more accurate.

    Calling Rush average on defense is simply laughable. I agree with gummy 100%... credibility killer. Now every time I see John Hollinger, I'll think, "Oh, that's the guy who said Rush was an average defender and the worst player ever to lead his team in minutes. Take his opinion with a grain of salt."

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    I will say I didn't have the foggiest notion Rush was leading the team in minutes played, that's interesting, but then fans haven't been complaining about his lack of PT this season either.

    I'll be interested in reading Seth's rebuttal on Hollinger's article.

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    I agree with those saying Brandon is at least ABOVE average on D.

    I was saying on twitter to chad ford (I think?) that B. Rush has been very good on D all year.

    I think it was count55 who disagreed with me and said he was only solid (which I consider to mean above average).

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    and brandon's not just an "average defender."
    This cat (Hollinger) is probably the most irrelevant "journalist" in the entire sports area. He has always been a prick with a hard on for trashing the Pacers.

    He lives to prove that his magical "formula" is legit, when it is completely biased and irrelevant as he is.

    plain and simple he is a tool, who because he is employed, is costing a real sports journalist, whom is out of work, a job.
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    I know Rip Hamilton isn't what he used to be, but wow, if we have Rush guarding Rip in 2004, we just might have beaten the Pistons. He does a great job defending Rip.

    Brandon's team defense is getting better, but still behind his 1 on 1 defense

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    Stat guys.... "lol".
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    WOW this guy really has no idea about ANYTHING does he?? I guess he's just bored in his office and had nothing else to do but write pure crap? lol. Plus he mentions Jason Collins...that dude plus his twin brother battle for the "Worst Player in the Entire NBA Award" each and every year lol. There's so many things that are stupidly wrong with this guy's "article" that it makes me want to punch a hole through his head lol! Anybody else with me??

    P.S. I won't even get into his comment about Rush being an average defender...yet again, so many things are wrong with this article. It makes me wonder if he's just making up the fact that Rush leads the team in minutes played.

    Edit: Also, he doesn't seem to know much about what all Dahntay has done for us and will keep on doing for us. Me = Dahntay fan btw.

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    JOB is the bust, not DJones.
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    Trollinger is a world-class hack who probably doesn't even watch the games. The fact that he has to go out of his ways to defend his ridiculously flawed formula just proves how bad it is. I don't trust any aspect of his fuzzy math.

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    He's full of
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    I still think Rush is a better man-to-man defender than Artest was. Granted, Artest was a genius at getting into the opponents heads and was a much better team defender(can't say much about Rush's team defense as our team doesn't play any), but in terms of man-to-man coverage, Rush very rarely makes a mistake or gets lost.

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    Ron was a much better team defender? All I remember is him being glued to his man and being a fabulous on-ball defender, sometimes to the detriment of the team's D.

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