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  • Croshere for Coleman and Buckner?

    I don't make these things up.

    http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/ne...04-335380.html


    Sixers talking with Mavs and the Pacers
    By TOM MOORE
    phillyBurbs.com

    After trading Eric Snow to the Cavaliers for Kevin Ollie and Kedrick Brown, Billy King might not be finished altering the Sixers roster.

    King reportedly has had discussions with the Mavericks about Antoine Walker, who played for Sixers coach Jim O'Brien in Boston. Dallas would get Glenn Robinson ($12 million) and another player to come within 15 percent of Walker's $14.625 salary in 2004-05.

    To make the deal work, the Sixers would have to include John Salmons ($771,000), projected starter Willie Green ($620,000), Kyle Korver ($620,000) or Brown ($2.33 million). The Mavericks are believed to be asking for Green or Korver, neither of whom the Sixers are willing to lose.

    All six of those players' contracts expire at the end of the season, unless a team picks up Salmons' fourth-year option.



    King has also had discussions with the Pacers "since June," he said yesterday.

    While King wouldn't confirm the particulars, an NBA source said the two teams have talked about swapping Derrick Coleman and Greg Buckner for Austin Croshere.

    Coleman, who will be bought out of the remaining $7 million of his contract if King cannot pawn him off on somebody, is owed $4.5 million next year with a $2.5 million buyout in 2005-06.

    Buckner ($2.88 million) has four years and $13 million remaining.

    Croshere, a combination forward who has fallen out of the Pacers' rotation since signing a huge extension, is slated to make $26.73 million over the next three years - $8.26 million this season, followed by $8.91 million and $9.56 million.


    In other Sixers news, Todd MacCulloch told The Associated Press that his feet haven't improved and that it's unlikely he'll be able to play again.




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    Re: Croshere for Coleman and Buckner?

    Interesting.

    Before I start, it should be noted that Greg Buckner is no relation to Quinn. I used to think otherwise, until Quinn said something.

    That being said, Buckner's a nice player. Nothing special, just a good role-player for a decent salary who doesn't need the ball to be happy. I wouldn't have a problem having him for 4 years.

    And we get Coleman's contract. While he has some skill (usually under-, or completely un-utilized), him coming off the books next year is the reason to do this.

    However, we have to look at Coleman's behavior. To put it bluntly, he's lazy, selfish, and poison to any locker room he's been in. I'd be tempted to trade for him, then cut him immediately, but that leaves us pretty shallow at the power positions.

    On the other hand, we could give him a shot. His talent is tempting, which is why he's still able to get a job after all these years. But I can't remember one situation he was in that was a plus for the team that acquired him. There was some promise that he'd finally gotten his head screwed on straight in Philly, but that quickly soured. You can't blame that team completely falling apart on him, but I bet he helped it along.

    I don't know, it'd sure be nice to get rid of Austin's contract, and if Derrick was any other player, with his size and skill set, I'd jump at the move. But the mission is to win a championship this year, and I'm afraid Coleman in our locker room would shoot our chemistry straight to hell.

    I'd be very interested to hear what dipperdunk thinks about this.
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    • #3
      Re: Croshere for Coleman and Buckner?

      Buckner is a very good defensive player. He can guard shooting gaurds and the smaller small forwards and even a few of the bigger point guards. When healthy he is a decent 10-15 minute per game player, but I believe he has been injured a lot the last few seasons

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      • #4
        Re: Croshere for Coleman and Buckner?

        I would be very interested in this trade. We need more rebounding of the bench. DC could add that toughness and rebounding since the departure of Harrington. My only issue is all of this trading going to interfere with the team chemistry that we had before. I would do this trade for DC's contract alone. Croshere gives us outside shooting, but with Bender getting decent playing time i dont think Croshere will be missed, not to forget James Jones also.


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        • #5
          Re: Croshere for Coleman and Buckner?

          I'm leery of Coleman, but he was one of the players Jermaine said he'd like to play with last offseason....



          I like Buckner. Or maybe I just love defensive specialists. Reminds me a little of Adrian Griffin, whom we had on our summer league team a couple years back.

          Artest, Jones, and Buckner. Mmm....
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          • #6
            Re: Croshere for Coleman and Buckner?

            Well personally i feel that Croshere as the team sits is too valuable to lose now that Al is gone. Cro figures to be the back up at PF and other than him, we only have bender who will be backing up Ronnie.

            Also i dont like the thought of Cro going to Philly, because he would make them better...and even though they were not much last year...with AI, Dalembert, Iguadala, and adding Cro, that team starts to look pretty good.

            I know a lot of people here hate Cros contract, but he will be getting a chance to earn it this year and i think he is a great role player for us.

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            • #7
              Re: Croshere for Coleman and Buckner?

              Yeah, I think I'd rather keep Cro than take Coleman. I've just never liked him much.

              Oh well, whatever, nevermind.
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              • #8
                Re: Croshere for Coleman and Buckner?

                Can the pacers buy out Coleman's contract like the article indicates the Sixers will do and if the pacers can, what if that allows the Pacers to sign someone else. Would you be more in favor of the trade

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                • #9
                  Re: Croshere for Coleman and Buckner?

                  Buckner is a pretty good defensive player with an inconsistent jumper. Every now and then he will have a nice game and score 20 points only to follow it up with a 1-10 shooting performance the next game. He is buried in the 76ers rotation and they would love to trade him but he can be effective playing 10-15 minutes like UB mentioned.

                  DC, where do I start?

                  Larry Brown absolutely loved the guy. He mentioned many times that Coleman had the highest basketball IQ of any player he ever coached and Coleman although a bonehead off the court does have a great knowledge of the game on the court. Also this will probably shock most people but off the court Larry Brown and DC are close friends. Brown made a mistake after his 1st year coaching the 76ers he let Coleman leave via free agency because owner Pat Croce hated Coleman and asked Brown to get rid of him. Croce later mentioned that he disliked DC because he blew off a charity event one year for Childrens Hospital in Philly and DC told him to go to hell charity events weren't part of his job etc.,,,

                  As soon as Croce left about a week later Larry traded Lynch for DC. During those years Coleman was liked by his teammates and got along great with Larry Brown he even came in to camp those years in great shape. Larry Brown has a way of reaching those talented misfit types; I knew when the Pistons acquired Rasheed last season that Rasheed wouldn't act like a bonehead and would conform so to speak playing for Brown. I guess it is because the players respect Brown and his ability to relate to them. Coleman had a terrific series against the Pistons in Brown's last year as coach averaging like 17 and 10 per game against Ben.

                  Anyway, with DC's great playoff performance against Detroit King gave him a 2 year deal with some sort of team option for the 3rd year at about 5 million per season. As you can guess with Brown gone and a guaranteed contract DC went back to his old ways last season. He was a cancer last season and had a couple of arguments with Billy King and Randy Ayers and his play was poor because he has a chronic knee injury. It was painful watching young front court players running circles around DC. If the Pacers did the deal it would be just to buyout DC and save $$ by unloading Croshere's contract because DC is washed up.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Croshere for Coleman and Buckner?

                    DD, it is interesting how Larry brown gets along with a lot of players other coaches don't get along. Even more interesting is that Brown is a screamer and is very tough on guys mentally. But I think a lot of players like that brown is very honest and treats every player the same, except the point guards

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                    • #11
                      Re: Croshere for Coleman and Buckner?

                      Gosh, it's good to have 'bad guys' around. Thanks for the review, dipper.

                      I just had the thought that this is somehow connected to Dampier. And that scares me.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Croshere for Coleman and Buckner?

                        I'm not sure that Derrick and Reggie would get along. Ya'll remember? That's the only reason I have why this trade isn't going to happen.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Croshere for Coleman and Buckner?

                          This is just some rambling from a friend yesterday but he said he heard ESPN was reporting Croshere and a pick for Dampier. Anyone else hear this?
                          The best exercise of the human heart is reaching down and picking someone else up.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Croshere for Coleman and Buckner?

                            Originally posted by btowncolt
                            Originally posted by MSA2CF
                            I'm not sure that Derrick and Reggie would get along. Ya'll remember? That's the only reason I have why this trade isn't going to happen.
                            Why? Reggie wouldn't approve of us buying out Coleman's contract?
                            Do you really think the Simons will approve of buying out a player's contract?
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                            • #15
                              Re: Croshere for Coleman and Buckner?

                              Well, that's where yours and my opinion stray. I don't think they'd be willing to do that.
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