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Hypothetical Question - Where does O'Brien coach next?

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  • #16
    Re: Hypothetical Question - Where does O'Brien coach next?

    I could see him either getting hired as an NBA assistant or some role in college, but I don't see him being a NBA head coach again in the near future.

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    • #17
      Re: Hypothetical Question - Where does O'Brien coach next?

      Originally posted by hoopsforlife View Post
      My very first thought was RunALot Elementary. Lol
      LOL.

      To answer the question though, my guess would be the college ranks or as an assistant to a defensive minded head coach.


      Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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      • #18
        Re: Hypothetical Question - Where does O'Brien coach next?

        Originally posted by hoopsforlife View Post
        My very first thought was RunALot Elementary. Lol
        Isn't their team the RunALot Incontinentals?

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        • #19
          Re: Hypothetical Question - Where does O'Brien coach next?

          Florida International University. I think that the 7-25 Panthers might have need for someone to continue their rich tradition of running a "quick" offense with an undersized squad designed to create mismatches on the floor.

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          • #20
            Re: Hypothetical Question - Where does O'Brien coach next?

            I think from his radio show interviews that O'Brien has too dominant a personality to go back to being an assistant coach in the NBA. I could see him landing a job in college or going back to working for ESPN.
            Passion. Pride. Patience. Pacers

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            • #21
              Re: Hypothetical Question - Where does O'Brien coach next?

              I see the Pacers winning possibly 6 more games this season, and the Pacers finishing at around 30-52. The winning will shoot the Pacers back to mediocrity in the draft. The wins will allow Bird to let Jimmy start the 2010-11 season as the Pacers coach. Once not being the Pacers headcoach, I don't ever envision seeing Jimmy being a HC in the NBA again. (I've been saying this for quite some time.) My guess is he'll go back to analyzing NBA games on either tv or radio. Whatever he chooses to do after his stint with the Pacers is over I wish him well.

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              • #22
                Re: Hypothetical Question - Where does O'Brien coach next?

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_O'Brien_(basketball,_born_1952)

                Take a look at his Wiki page. I found this rather ironic "During the 2003-04 NBA season, however, O'Brien consistently fought with Celtics' general manager Danny Ainge over short-term versus long-term goals."

                I honestly think he will go coach in Philadelphia at one of the universities there. St. Joe's is where he went, but they have Phil Martelli. Villanova, Jay Wright. Drexel, Bruiser Flint. Temple, Fran Dunphy.

                UPenn fired Glen Miller in December, so they will be in the market for a coach this off-season, since they have an assistant as interim coach. Also, LaSalle has Dr. John Giannini, who has not been spectacular in his 5 seasons. I think he might be on the hot seat a bit, and I believe LaSalle to be a higher profile program than UPenn as well. Just some ides, but I think that will be a much better role for him, since he will be closer to family and won't have as much demand to travel as he gets older. He would have a great gig that continues to pay him well and provides him great benefits into retirement.

                I really like Jim O'Brien as a coach. I love that he still wants to compete on a nightly basis. It is NOT what's best for the Pacers necessarily right now, but I admire his passion to win. That works great in college basketball. Not in the NBA where his coaching style is less suited for success. That would work much better in a college system where there is a larger differential in athleticism.

                And those that want to debate his system working in the playoffs, his win against the Pacers as a 6 seed was the APEX of his career. I felt like that series was less a function of them beating us and moreso us handing them the series on a silver platter. They then were swept in an utter blood bath by the Nets. We probably would have lost to the Nets but it would have been a much better series.

                EDIT: I was wrong. He took Boston to the ECF in 2002. That was the apex of his career. My apologies. They set a single game playoff record for most threes in game 5 against Philly.
                Last edited by pacergod2; 03-22-2010, 11:00 AM.
                "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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                • #23
                  Re: Hypothetical Question - Where does O'Brien coach next?

                  Originally posted by pacergod2 View Post
                  I honestly think he will go coach in Philadelphia at one of the universities there. St. Joe's is where he went, but they have Phil Martelli. Villanova, Jay Wright. Drexel, Bruiser Flint. Temple, Fran Dunphy.

                  UPenn fired Glen Miller in December, so they will be in the market for a coach this off-season, since they have an assistant as interim coach. Also, LaSalle has Dr. John Giannini, who has not been spectacular in his 5 seasons. I think he might be on the hot seat a bit, and I believe LaSalle to be a higher profile program than UPenn as well. Just some ides, but I think that will be a much better role for him, since he will be closer to family and won't have as much demand to travel as he gets older. He would have a great gig that continues to pay him well and provides him great benefits into retirement.
                  My initial thought was close enough to Philly - Seton Hall. But that would require him to take the job this summer, so that's unlikely.
                  This is the darkest timeline.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Hypothetical Question - Where does O'Brien coach next?

                    Originally posted by avoidingtheclowns View Post
                    My initial thought was close enough to Philly - Seton Hall. But that would require him to take the job this summer, so that's unlikely.
                    Let's hope he's not too late for it.
                    "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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                    • #25
                      Re: Hypothetical Question - Where does O'Brien coach next?

                      Why would he go to college at this point? He wasn't working in college before and didn't seem to be pressing for a coaching job in general. He seems to have little tolerance for the frustrations of working with kids.

                      No way another NBA team gives him a chance, makes no sense.

                      I agree that he doesn't appear to have much interest in being an assistant, it doesn't appear to fit his personality.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Hypothetical Question - Where does O'Brien coach next?

                        Seth, from my viewpoint, I think his age and timeframe in his career fit the college game better. Yes there are older coaches, but I think he would prefer to reduce his travel and stay closer to family the older he gets. He is not going into a retirement home tomorrow granted. I just think at this point in his career and the lack of NBA options as a head coach, suit him more closely to a college position. He is a great teacher of individual fundamental basketball, but like you said he tends to not play his younger players. At the college level, I think he would flourish. I think he would have to deal with their immaturity, which he might not have the patience for. I don't think he wants to quit coaching (and making money) because his ego is too big to take a college gig. I just think that Jim would become a successful college coach if that is the way he went.
                        "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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                        • #27
                          Re: Hypothetical Question - Where does O'Brien coach next?

                          I don't see him going to college. If he doesn't like giving playing time to young players, why would he then go to coach a team where the average age of its players is around 20 years old?

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                          • #28
                            Re: Hypothetical Question - Where does O'Brien coach next?

                            Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                            Why would he go to college at this point? He wasn't working in college before and didn't seem to be pressing for a coaching job in general. He seems to have little tolerance for the frustrations of working with kids.

                            No way another NBA team gives him a chance, makes no sense.

                            I agree that he doesn't appear to have much interest in being an assistant, it doesn't appear to fit his personality.
                            I'm not necessarily saying he would want to go to college, but the question was about where does O'Brien coach next. I think he's done enough damage this season where even opposing coaches and national sportswriters wonder publicly what he's doing.

                            If he wants to coach again, these are his options: D-league or similar professional league stateside, foreign teams, college or HS. Out of the bunch, college would seem to be most appealing --- and a place like Penn or Seton Hall where snagging every top recruit in the country isn't expected or required. It'd probably have to be a unique set of circumstances, but ultimately I'm just answering the hypothetical question.

                            Also, teams regularly lose less than 10 games in college - which means fewer irrelevant box scores.
                            This is the darkest timeline.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Hypothetical Question - Where does O'Brien coach next?

                              at the YMCA

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                              • #30
                                Re: Hypothetical Question - Where does O'Brien coach next?

                                Frankly it was tough not giving a smarmy reply here.

                                Actually, I now look at all this in terms of 'worst case scenario' happening: the Pacers will a few meaningless games and drop to 9th pick max, they fail to draft an 'impact' player, have difficulty dumping Murphy's or Dunleavy's or TJ (until at least the trade deadline - thus next season is shot), and finally they keep O'Brien throughout next year as they realize they aren't going anywhere next year either...and O'Brien keeps the rookie glued to the bench, thus failing to develop him.

                                Hate to be such a pessimist, but it's like a few years ago when we had a chance at a mid-lotto pick and I thought what would happen (and did) was we'd drop in the lotto AND fail to make the playoffs.

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