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    Default Re: Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

    We all want the team to win on a consistent basis, it's just that some of us realize the nature of the business and that sometimes you must take a step backwards to take a leap forward. That's the way it'll be as long as the current draft setup is in place.

    Rather than get caught up in your own selfish instant gratification, you'd be much wiser to think about what's best for the long-term future of this franchise.

    It's not about what's best for you, right here, right now. It's about what's best for this franchise for the next decade.

    That's simple: a higher draft choice, and a higher probability of finding talent that can make this a winning franchise once again.

    Rooting for this team to lose these last few meaningless games is rooting for this franchise to win the next decade.

    Be a true fan and bite the bullet now. Root for loses.

    Besides, it's been said probably 80% of this team wont be here when we become relevant once again. In that case, ultimately the most important thing is that the 20%, the "keepers" (Danny & Roy), that we have in place continue to grow and play well.

    Just do what I do -- root for Danny, Roy, Brandon and McRoberts to play well and then justify the loses by placing the blame on the guys who wont be here 4-18 months from now (Murphy, Ford, Watson, etc.).
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    Default Re: Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

    If/when we fail to land John Wall, we need to hope he goes to the Nets, and then make a play for Devin Harris.

    I could also see us looking at Al Jefferson.

    The key to getting an All-Star player for expiring contracts/draft picks is to look to really bad teams looking to shed salary, and I believe both the Nets and T'Wolves fit that bill. It doesn't hurt that their All-Stars are also at the top two positions of need for the Pacers.

    Imagine, if you will...

    Rush, Ford, and 2010 #1 pick for Harris
    Murphy and 2012 #1 pick for Jefferson

    Hibbert
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    Default Re: Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

    ESPN's Draft Lottery has us at the 5th pick taking Ed Davis.

    He's not the PF we need so hopefully in the end we wind up with at least Cousins.

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    If we don't end up with Wall, Turner, or Favors (maybe Cousins), then we should just look to trade the pick.

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    If we don't end up with Wall, Turner, or Favors (maybe Cousins), then we should just look to trade the pick.
    I wouldn't mind us taking Monroe if those 4 are gone.

    Isn't there word that he's staying at Georgetown for another year?

    But I agree, if we don't wind up with either of those 4 then we should at least draft and trade the rights for a player we want.

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    Default Re: Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

    if forfeiting the rest of the games was an option, i'd do it in a heartbeat

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    ..I really REALLY hope someone takes Aldrich in front of us..

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    If we don't end up with Wall, Turner, or Favors (maybe Cousins), then we should just look to trade the pick.
    I'm wondering just how many teams are thinking the same thing.

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    You know, I think I might revise my prediction about where the Pacers will finish in the lottery. Now I'm thinking they could slip to the tenth or eleventh pick. They are only a couple or three games away from that now.

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    It would be wrong to ask the players to lose on purpose. It would also be wrong to admit to tanking. However there are ways to make tanking happen, it should be happening, and I'm outraged that it is not. If Larry Bird cannot do this, he should be fired. Other teams are tanking to improve their team. It is obvious. How else would we be winning these games. It's not like we're any good for cryin' out loud.

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    We just need TJ Ford back. We are .454 with him out...and .277 with him getting minutes.

    Put another way, 43% of our victories (10 of them) came in the 22 games he has sat this year....while 57% of our victories (13 of them) came in the 47 games he has played. Oh, and he's won his starting job back even though he has one of the worst plus-minuses on the team.

    Why does he see the court, you might ask? Well, you can ask JOb to explain that along with 20 other questions that make no sense with respect to his decision making.

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    We just need TJ Ford back. We are .454 with him out...and .277 with him getting minutes.

    Put another way, 43% of our victories (10 of them) came in the 22 games he has sat this year....while 57% of our victories (13 of them) came in the 47 games he has played. Oh, and he's won his starting job back even though he has one of the worst plus-minuses on the team.

    Why does he see the court, you might ask? Well, you can ask JOb to explain that along with 20 other questions that make no sense with respect to his decision making.
    My question has been whether it was the addition of AJ or the subtraction of TJ that is the huge difference.

    They are 2-2 with a TJ/AJ lineup..but I don't think that's big enough to know. I guess we'll probably know next season..

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    It would be wrong to ask the players to lose on purpose. It would also be wrong to admit to tanking. However there are ways to make tanking happen, it should be happening, and I'm outraged that it is not. If Larry Bird cannot do this, he should be fired. Other teams are tanking to improve their team. It is obvious. How else would we be winning these games. It's not like we're any good for cryin' out loud.
    Seriously can you blame Bird he's a legend. You don't become a legend, a great, a champion by accepting losing. It's like a foreign language Bird doesn't understand that.

    JOB " Larry we should lose these last games to get a better pick"
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    Bird can't even say lose


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    Quote Originally Posted by dlewyus View Post
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    It would be wrong to ask the players to lose on purpose. It would also be wrong to admit to tanking. However there are ways to make tanking happen, it should be happening, and I'm outraged that it is not. If Larry Bird cannot do this, he should be fired. Other teams are tanking to improve their team. It is obvious. How else would we be winning these games. It's not like we're any good for cryin' out loud.
    What would the players have to gain by laying down and losing? if most of them will not be here, I'm sure they want to play well enough to hook up somewhere else.

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    So you are saying we have a chance??










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    I guess it doesn't matter if a player we really want stays in school an extra year. We'll be back in the lottery next year.

    That's why O'Brien is going to be the coach next year. It's part of Bird's 3 year plan.

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    my complaing is that this "CLOWN" is trying to save his job by winning meaninless games and not developing the players that are going to be part of the future.

    Quit assuming Jimmy's winning is to keep his job next year. He'll be coaching the Pacers when next season starts.

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    I think Pacer fans better start looking at the increasing odds of a few things:
    We're still playing to win above all else.
    O'Brien is still playing to win.
    O'Brien is going to be here when the bells rings to start next season.


    You are right, especially about Jimmy being here next year. Losing next year seems to be part of Bird's 3 year plan.

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    then justify the loses by placing the blame on the guys who wont be here 4-18 months from now (Murphy, Ford, Watson, etc.).

    You forgot where to place the biggest part of the blame.... James O'Stubborn and he won't be here after next season.

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    B. Players that purposly lose games for better chances at a higher draft pick? (Tanking)
    Again, let's go over this. Tanking does NOT involve players purposely losing games. You would be in a lot of trouble with Stern and possibly law enforcement authorities if it were ever discovered that you had players or coaches doing that.

    Tanking mainly involves management decisions that impact what kind of team they actually put on the floor. A lot of times, it involves NOT MAKING moves that would increase short term win totals.

    For example, the Marcus Camby trade to the Blazers. You would NEVER see a team in tank mode making that kind of trade so they could win a few more games. Teams like the Nets and Warriors had plenty of roster flexibility to make a few moves to improve their win totals this season, but they just sat on their hands (in the Warriors' case, they repeatedly kept going to the D League). I wonder why they did that.

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    Nope. Pride goes before destruction. It's a haughty spirit that goes before a fall.

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...18&version=NIV

    Well, Anthem, your penchant for details and curious knowledge motivated me to browse biblegateway. I pushed the reverse button, which took me to the Proverbs 15 page ... and this was the first quote that jumped out at me:

    "Stern discipline awaits him who leaves the path;
    he who hates correction will die."

    David Stern, the brawl, the fate of the Pacers these past few years; it's all there. Scary.

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    Maximization of long term results is what is best for most business models. I believe that applies to the Pacers as well.

    IMO, playing young players to both see (and let fans see) truly what they have to offer as well as giving them a chance to develop has been key throughout the last two thirds of this season and the lack of overall focus on that aspect has been probably the most frustrating thing about watching the team throughout the season.

    If we had truly committed to playing the young guys, any outcome from being completely hideous and competing with NJ for Wall up to being in the playoffs would have been more of a maximization of results both near AND long term due to player development being further along OR being better off from a draft pick standpoint, or some combination of both.

    That has been taken away for the most part, and the recent wins are now have become more frustrating than entertaining because it does not maximize long term results, and actually minimizes them to an extent.

    It was bizarre seeing people in Pacers gear during the Pistons game Friday night in the area of the balcony seats I had actually cheering some for the Pistons when they decided to actually play and make a game of it, and then get quiet again when the Pacers finally held them off. Those people are fans of the franchise and its long term goal of being competitive in the long term, IMO. I didn't participate, but I certainly respected the message they conveyed.

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    Default Re: Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

    There's still a chance at us getting the 4th pick at least if we don't finish past 6th.

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    There's still a chance at us getting the 4th pick at least if we don't finish past 6th.
    ok....what?

    There is zero chance of a team getting the 4th pick if they dont finish in the bottom 4. They only hold a lottery for the first 3 picks.

    After that, you can only be pushed down 1-3 spots. You cannot improve your selection.

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