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Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

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  • #31
    Re: Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

    Originally posted by Hicks View Post


    What does that have to do with how they play this last month?
    that they don't need another PG in John Wall because they already have their eyes on Felton
    @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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    • #32
      Re: Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

      "When you stop trying to win you never will win" - Sportfireman.

      Losing is a mindset ............ how can you accept losing and me a winner? Do you think the greats accepted losing? Magic, Jordan, BIRD........

      its one thing to want your team to lose for draft spot or whatever your reason BUT never should you want the guys you want to be winners accept being losers for any reason.
      I'm not perfect and neither are you.

      Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the esteem of Elohim,
      Ephisians 4: 32 And be kind towards one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as Elohim also forgave you in Messiah.

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      • #33
        Re: Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

        I think Pacer fans better start looking at the increasing odds of a few things:
        We're still playing to win above all else.
        O'Brien is still playing to win.
        O'Brien is going to be here when the bells rings to start next season.

        I'm losing hope we actually plan to fire him. I never considered it a done deal he'd be fired in the first place.... even though he should've never even gotten this far.
        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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        "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

        -John Wooden

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        • #34
          Re: Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

          I love watching my team win, with that being said, this season has been bad, really bad, and although we've seen some of the young guys improve a little, going out there and winning these games is doing nothing but hurting our chances at possibly improving this team as early as this fall.

          Young guys getting experience, and playing well, but falling up short is the perfect scenario.

          The Pacers are obviously not going to go out and try to lose games on purpose, but they could just start playing different lineups, start McRoberts and Price, which, good ol' O'Brien is still starting Murphy and Watson, who possibly won't even be here much longer, and seeing them get the bulk of minutes in such a trying and ****ty season is just plain annoying. We know what they got, we don't know what McRoberts, and the other young guns have.

          Winning these games means NOTHING, except a W, we aren't making the playoffs, and we've known that for sometime, play the young guys, experiment with different lineups, I don't know, just do something.

          I understand tanking does not mean a #1 pick, but in a season like this, when the games don't and haven't mattered in a long time, losing a little bit more to try to take the draft lottery odds isn't going to hurt, it's not like we decided to go for the draft instead of playoffs, we decided to go for the lottery instead of having a number on the left side of the W/L column increase by a tad.

          Draft doesn't have a savior like a LeBron or 'Melo, but what else do we have to do? The summer for us is 2011, all we have in hopes of making this team *much* better this fall is hopefully getting top college talent and also hoping that this team is
          healthy. We may sign some people, but we aren't going to get a potential game-changer via free agency this year, we'll get players who could be good on contending teams (Watson, Jones), not teams like us, that can't make the playoffs in the terrible East.

          This team lacks talent, there is some potential great talent in the draft, why not go for it, and see what it can do for us this fall?
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          • #35
            Re: Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

            Originally posted by sportfireman View Post

            Do you think the greats accepted losing? Magic, Jordan, BIRD........
            No, but the teams that were bad enough to draft them sure felt better about it afterwords.

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            • #36
              Re: Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

              Originally posted by cordobes View Post

              Tanking is mostly a myth, especially at this point of the season. If the Pistons and the Pacers were tanking, Granger and Stuckey wouldn't have played yesterday.
              Except for the teams who suddenly sit some of their starters with mysterious injuries, or change the rotations and give end-of-the-bench players more minutes, or the head coach (remember Pat Reilly?) deciding to turn his duties over to an assistant (and sit a starter) while he is supposedly scouting college players for a month.

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              • #37
                Re: Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

                Originally posted by sportfireman View Post
                "When you stop trying to win you never will win" - Sportfireman.

                Losing is a mindset ............ how can you accept losing and me a winner? Do you think the greats accepted losing? Magic, Jordan, BIRD........

                its one thing to want your team to lose for draft spot or whatever your reason BUT never should you want the guys you want to be winners accept being losers for any reason.
                Agree with your premise, but these guys will not be winners and most likely never will be (Dun, Murp, Solo, Watson, Head), and the only reason the 'greats' landed on those Celtic/Bull/Laker teams is because they sucked the year before or made good trades with teams that did.

                Thus, IMHO, it matters little if we lose all the remaining games as I think a top pick impact player will quickly change the mentality of those players who remain on the team. I think those players I mentioned will always accept being losers because for the most part that's all they've ever known since coming into the league...the die is cast and they won't change now, and winning a few games at the end of this year won't change anything...other than the franchises future success.

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                • #38
                  Re: Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

                  Originally posted by OrganizedConfusion View Post
                  Only 11 games out of the 8 seed, yeah!!!



                  So you are saying we have a chance??











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                  "Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

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                  • #39
                    Re: Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

                    You were right to delete that.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

                      Only there for a moment (maybe 5 seconds). I guess your admin powers see all.

                      Sorry, it wasn't fair to get personal. But now that you've seen it, all I can do is apologize. I think those characters would play to win, regardless. Anyway, I'm sorry.
                      “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” - Winston Churchill

                      “If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning.” - Catherine Aird

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                      • #41
                        Re: Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

                        No apology is necessary. I was reacting to the poor comparison; I wasn't upset about it and didn't take it personally.

                        You simply can't even begin to compare characters (fictional or not) who die or risk their lives fighting for a cause to playing NBA basketball games. It just doesn't work.

                        If you aren't playing for the trophy, you are playing for nothing but pride. I don't blame the players one bit for trying to win. I would simply ask that we let it be the young guys who we still need to learn about, who still need development, and who will be here for the long-term to be the ones playing the big roles (starting, and as many minutes as they can handle).

                        So I'm not pro-tanking as tanking implies the team trying to lose.

                        As a fan of the team, and someone who wants titles more than anything else, I want them to have as good of a chance as possible to win the trophy. Their chances for this season are virtually done, and realistically they've been dead and buried for months.

                        So the focus shifts ahead a season. First thing they can do to improve their chances of winning something significant is to add more talent. Next available method of adding talent? The June draft. What ensures them picking as high as possible? Losing meaningless games. So I will hope that they lose (but I want them to be trying to win).

                        It's funny to me that you or others would call that a loser's mentality when, in fact, it's completely driven by my desire to win.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

                          This whole topic is such a emotionally draining one.

                          1) I want the Pacers to win every time they suit up.

                          2) I want the Pacers (If they do not have a legit chance at a playoff spot... Even 8th Seed) to get the best possible draft choice that they can.

                          Unfortunately, these 2 criteria are in direct conflict with each other.

                          Which brings me to point number...

                          3) Point number 1 always takes priority over point number 2.

                          I want my Pacers to win when they play basketball games. Any other view or ulterior motive is irrelevant. Losing begets more losing. Winning encourages more winning.

                          I also truly believe that the teams that purposely tank will get their comeuppance when the lottery balls are drawn.

                          The teams like the Pacers, who have a smaller chance at a top 3 pick, but actually PLAYED their final 20 games to win... Those teams can hold their heads high, and still have a chance at a good pick.

                          If this view makes me a shortsighted or foolish Pacers fan... So be it. I want my team to win when they step on the court.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

                            So we could go 27-55 and end up picking 8 and 9th without another team bumping us in the lottery? Damn, the league is bottom heavy this year. 27-55 seems like it could get you the 4th or 5th pick most years.

                            I'm actually not that upset about this. We never had much of a chance at Wall or Turner. I have watched Favors' last 3 games, and really, he does not impress me too much. I'm not sure if Cousins will ever be better than Zach Randolph ever will be.

                            Picking 8th, some dumb team before us could pick up Aldrich. We can go ahead and draft Patterson, who I've wanted for 2 years, and be done with it.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

                              Originally posted by Hicks
                              *snip*... I don't blame the players one bit for trying to win. I would simply ask that we let it be the young guys who we still need to learn about, who still need development, and who will be here for the long-term to be the ones playing the big roles (starting, and as many minutes as they can handle).

                              So I'm not pro-tanking as tanking implies the team trying to lose... *snip*
                              This is where I'm at on this, but sometimes reading thru here... I get the vibe that getting the young guys as many minutes as they can handle is still a losing proposition for some, if not most of the "Tanks on Red Square" crowd.

                              Personally, I'm starting to feel its a moot point about where our draft position will be regardless of who plays the games. I just don't think we are bad enough to end up being 4th or 5th worst in the league to have a good shot at the lottery. I honestly think we will be picking 6th 7th or 8th regardless who plays here on out on the roster.
                              Last edited by Roaming Gnome; 03-20-2010, 04:23 PM.
                              ...Still "flying casual"
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                              • #45
                                Re: Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

                                Originally posted by dcpacersfan
                                So we could go 27-55 and end up picking 8 and 9th without another team bumping us in the lottery? Damn, the league is bottom heavy this year. 27-55 seems like it could get you the 4th or 5th pick most years.
                                I wanted to put your theory to the test and see how many were worse then 27-55 over the years...
                                2000-01: 6 teams
                                2001-02: 3 teams
                                2002-03: 4 teams
                                2003-04: 3 teams
                                2004-05: 4 teams
                                2005-06: 4 teams
                                2006-07: 2 teams
                                2007-08: 2 teams
                                2008-09: 6 teams

                                Looks like you are right. Damn, this season really sucks!
                                ...Still "flying casual"
                                @roaminggnome74

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