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Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

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  • #61
    Re: Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

    We just need TJ Ford back. We are .454 with him out...and .277 with him getting minutes.

    Put another way, 43% of our victories (10 of them) came in the 22 games he has sat this year....while 57% of our victories (13 of them) came in the 47 games he has played. Oh, and he's won his starting job back even though he has one of the worst plus-minuses on the team.

    Why does he see the court, you might ask? Well, you can ask JOb to explain that along with 20 other questions that make no sense with respect to his decision making.

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    • #62
      Re: Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

      Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
      We just need TJ Ford back. We are .454 with him out...and .277 with him getting minutes.

      Put another way, 43% of our victories (10 of them) came in the 22 games he has sat this year....while 57% of our victories (13 of them) came in the 47 games he has played. Oh, and he's won his starting job back even though he has one of the worst plus-minuses on the team.

      Why does he see the court, you might ask? Well, you can ask JOb to explain that along with 20 other questions that make no sense with respect to his decision making.
      My question has been whether it was the addition of AJ or the subtraction of TJ that is the huge difference.

      They are 2-2 with a TJ/AJ lineup..but I don't think that's big enough to know. I guess we'll probably know next season..

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      • #63
        Re: Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

        Originally posted by dlewyus View Post
        It would be wrong to ask the players to lose on purpose. It would also be wrong to admit to tanking. However there are ways to make tanking happen, it should be happening, and I'm outraged that it is not. If Larry Bird cannot do this, he should be fired. Other teams are tanking to improve their team. It is obvious. How else would we be winning these games. It's not like we're any good for cryin' out loud.
        Seriously can you blame Bird he's a legend. You don't become a legend, a great, a champion by accepting losing. It's like a foreign language Bird doesn't understand that.

        JOB " Larry we should lose these last games to get a better pick"
        LB "HUH?"

        JOB "LOSE"
        LB "WHAT?"

        JOB "LOSE GAMES LARRY"
        LB "LOOK JIM YOU'RE TALKING FUNNY I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. WHEN'D U LEARN GERMAN?"


        Bird can't even say lose


        Last edited by sportfireman; 03-20-2010, 11:38 PM.
        I'm not perfect and neither are you.

        Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the esteem of Elohim,
        Ephisians 4: 32 And be kind towards one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as Elohim also forgave you in Messiah.

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        • #64
          Re: Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

          Originally posted by dlewyus View Post
          It would be wrong to ask the players to lose on purpose. It would also be wrong to admit to tanking. However there are ways to make tanking happen, it should be happening, and I'm outraged that it is not. If Larry Bird cannot do this, he should be fired. Other teams are tanking to improve their team. It is obvious. How else would we be winning these games. It's not like we're any good for cryin' out loud.
          What would the players have to gain by laying down and losing? if most of them will not be here, I'm sure they want to play well enough to hook up somewhere else.

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          • #65
            Re: Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

            Originally posted by Kemo View Post

            So you are saying we have a chance??










            .
            You = my hero.

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            • #66
              Re: Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

              Originally posted by IndyPacer View Post
              I guess it doesn't matter if a player we really want stays in school an extra year. We'll be back in the lottery next year.

              That's why O'Brien is going to be the coach next year. It's part of Bird's 3 year plan.

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              • #67
                Re: Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

                Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

                my complaing is that this "CLOWN" is trying to save his job by winning meaninless games and not developing the players that are going to be part of the future.

                Quit assuming Jimmy's winning is to keep his job next year. He'll be coaching the Pacers when next season starts.

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                • #68
                  Re: Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

                  Originally posted by Bball View Post


                  I think Pacer fans better start looking at the increasing odds of a few things:
                  We're still playing to win above all else.
                  O'Brien is still playing to win.
                  O'Brien is going to be here when the bells rings to start next season.


                  You are right, especially about Jimmy being here next year. Losing next year seems to be part of Bird's 3 year plan.

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                  • #69
                    Re: Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

                    Originally posted by GrangeRusHibbert View Post

                    then justify the loses by placing the blame on the guys who wont be here 4-18 months from now (Murphy, Ford, Watson, etc.).

                    You forgot where to place the biggest part of the blame.... James O'Stubborn and he won't be here after next season.

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                    • #70
                      Re: Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

                      Originally posted by Putnam View Post
                      And isn't pride the one that goes "before a fall?"
                      Nope. Pride goes before destruction. It's a haughty spirit that goes before a fall.

                      http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...18&version=NIV
                      This space for rent.

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                      • #71
                        Re: Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

                        Originally posted by sportfireman View Post
                        B. Players that purposly lose games for better chances at a higher draft pick? (Tanking)
                        Again, let's go over this. Tanking does NOT involve players purposely losing games. You would be in a lot of trouble with Stern and possibly law enforcement authorities if it were ever discovered that you had players or coaches doing that.

                        Tanking mainly involves management decisions that impact what kind of team they actually put on the floor. A lot of times, it involves NOT MAKING moves that would increase short term win totals.

                        For example, the Marcus Camby trade to the Blazers. You would NEVER see a team in tank mode making that kind of trade so they could win a few more games. Teams like the Nets and Warriors had plenty of roster flexibility to make a few moves to improve their win totals this season, but they just sat on their hands (in the Warriors' case, they repeatedly kept going to the D League). I wonder why they did that.

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                        • #72
                          Re: Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

                          Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                          Nope. Pride goes before destruction. It's a haughty spirit that goes before a fall.

                          http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...18&version=NIV

                          Well, Anthem, your penchant for details and curious knowledge motivated me to browse biblegateway. I pushed the reverse button, which took me to the Proverbs 15 page ... and this was the first quote that jumped out at me:

                          "Stern discipline awaits him who leaves the path;
                          he who hates correction will die."

                          David Stern, the brawl, the fate of the Pacers these past few years; it's all there. Scary.


                          "He’s no shrinking violet when it comes to that kind of stuff."

                          - Rick Carlisle on how Kevin Pritchard responds to needed roster changes.

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                          • #73
                            Re: Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

                            Maximization of long term results is what is best for most business models. I believe that applies to the Pacers as well.

                            IMO, playing young players to both see (and let fans see) truly what they have to offer as well as giving them a chance to develop has been key throughout the last two thirds of this season and the lack of overall focus on that aspect has been probably the most frustrating thing about watching the team throughout the season.

                            If we had truly committed to playing the young guys, any outcome from being completely hideous and competing with NJ for Wall up to being in the playoffs would have been more of a maximization of results both near AND long term due to player development being further along OR being better off from a draft pick standpoint, or some combination of both.

                            That has been taken away for the most part, and the recent wins are now have become more frustrating than entertaining because it does not maximize long term results, and actually minimizes them to an extent.

                            It was bizarre seeing people in Pacers gear during the Pistons game Friday night in the area of the balcony seats I had actually cheering some for the Pistons when they decided to actually play and make a game of it, and then get quiet again when the Pacers finally held them off. Those people are fans of the franchise and its long term goal of being competitive in the long term, IMO. I didn't participate, but I certainly respected the message they conveyed.

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                            • #74
                              Re: Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

                              There's still a chance at us getting the 4th pick at least if we don't finish past 6th.

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                              • #75
                                Re: Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

                                Originally posted by Trophy View Post
                                There's still a chance at us getting the 4th pick at least if we don't finish past 6th.
                                ok....what?

                                There is zero chance of a team getting the 4th pick if they dont finish in the bottom 4. They only hold a lottery for the first 3 picks.

                                After that, you can only be pushed down 1-3 spots. You cannot improve your selection.

                                It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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