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    Default Wins over Bobcats and Pistons Change NBA Standings

    I don't know if anyone noticed, but the win over Charlotte moved the Pacers to the fifth draft spot, and the win over Detroit moved the Pacers to the seventh draft spot. Not only did the players fall from the top four to five, the Pacers also are signficantly less likely to move up to a top one, two, or three pick.

    I don't know how else to say this, so I will put it like this:

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    Indy Star Reporter: What do you think about Jim O'Brien's recent string of wins? Is this a sign of good things to come next season?

    Ryheathco: "It's irrelevant," Ryheathco said, "Try to do it in a [playoff] effort. It's really irrelevant."

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    *Mods, can someone change the thread tittle to, "Wins Over" rather than "Wins of." I am running on a few hours of sleep today, my fault.
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    Yup. With home games vs WASH, SAC, NY and NJ and road tilts
    @ DET and WASH remaining, the Pacers are probably gonna win
    at least 27 games.

    And not one of these wins means anything positive (well, beyond the
    immediate, emotional gratification of clueless, Pacer fans) in the grand
    scheme of things.

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    The team should try to win with the youth. I will continue to hope the young guys kick ***.... and come up just short at the final buzzer for the good of our next chance at a talent upgrade.

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    The way this franchise runs things is really not comprehensible at times. Management should have FORCED O'brien to play the young guys once it was clear we weren't going to make the playoffs. The Murhpy's, Watson's and DunDun's of the world are only good at getting wins at the end of the year against other teams who are tanking. When it really mattered we sucked. Now we are just hurting ourselves.
    Next year nobody will give a darn if we had 22 wins this year or 28. It wont freaking matter to anyone. However it will be the difference between us having a significant chance at a top 3 pick or finishing with the 8th, 9th or 10th pick.
    Every freaking team besides us is tanking hardcore and its killing me. We've all suffered through this horrible season but we understood that at least we could have a good chance of landing a franchise changing player in the draft. This isn't the case anymore. Were going to get a guy in the late lotto that will be decent but nothing compared to what we could possibly get in the top 3 or 5. That's Wall, Turner, Favors, Cousins, and Johnson.
    Why can't management understand this???

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    Why would it have turned out any differently? I mean, we are the Indiana Pacers, right? We all knew we would picking 7th or beyond, honestly.

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    I guess you are right. All year I knew we would be doing this at the end of the year. We do it every single year. Win when it doesn't matter. I knew that we'd find a way to screw this up and in the end were going to get the 9th pick in the draft. That's my prediction.

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    I guess it doesn't matter if a player we really want stays in school an extra year. We'll be back in the lottery next year.

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    This franchise is infuriating.

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    It is hard enough to deal with a losing season. I was able to adjust my emotions not to care as much, to get use to that losing feeling. I then began looking to the future, thinking maybe we got a shot at getting a top five draft pick. Maybe we can get player that can address a need and help change this franchises direction.

    Once again becoming emotionally attached to us needing to lose to increase our chances of getting that pick. And as we all can see the Pacers are doing what they always do every year of late, win just enough games to push themselves out of reach of that dream pick. And it feels awful, I feel like I felt when they were losing early on. I mean why win now? Do it when it counts, when we got a shot at the playoffs.

    I know we can't really do worse than 6-9, but give this team a chance and they go on another 5 game win streak. I also agree if you are goig to play spoiler, play your youth. I can't wait for the day when JOB, Troy, and Dun are gone from this team. I know this is not all their faults, but it sure feels good to blame someone.

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    Only 11 games out of the 8 seed, yeah!!!

    Philly, Sacto, Detroit, and Washington must love the Pacers for desperately playing themselves out of a top 5 pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryheathco
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    Not only did the players fall from the top four to five, the Pacers also are signficantly less likely to move up to a top one, two, or three pick.
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    And not one of these wins means anything positive (well, beyond the
    immediate, emotional gratification of clueless, Pacer fans) in the grand
    scheme of things.
    I just wonder if the complaints would still be the same if the young guys were playing... and winning games? Poll questions like this one and just the general vibe from a lot of you tell me that you'd still be crying about winning games even if the youngsters were in.

    I guess I'm convinced that the players could give a rat's *** about the franchise's lottery position. That's just fine with me! The players only focus should be winning and going all out, period!

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    The way this franchise runs things is really not comprehensible at times. Management should have FORCED O'brien to play the young guys once it was clear we weren't going to make the playoffs.
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    This franchise is infuriating.
    Management isn't going to tell this coaching staff how to coach the team. Bird didn't with Carlisle in regards to J.O. ball and I don't expect him to with O'Brien regarding who gets minutes down the stretch of the season. I don't necessarily agree with it, but that has been Bird's M.O. so I'm not surprised that this is the direction that we are rounding out the season.
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    no way I would be complaining if they play the young players and win, my complaing is that this "CLOWN" is trying to save his job by winning meaninless games and not developing the players that are going to be part of the future. It seems to me like they are just trying to screw with the fans, like somebody already said, he want them to win they lose, we want them to lose they win WTF?

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    Another reason Bird must go, he loses win he should win and wins when he should lose.

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    This is like a finger to the fans.

    When we wanted them to win they lost and now when we want a top 4 draft pick, they decide to win.

    We have some difficult teams coming up, but at home so who knows what's gonna happen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roaming Gnome View Post
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    I just wonder if the complaints would still be the same if the young guys were playing... and winning games? Poll questions like this one and just the general vibe from a lot of you tell me that you'd still be crying about winning games even if the youngsters were in.

    I guess I'm convinced that the players could give a rat's *** about the franchise's lottery position. That's just fine with me! The players only focus should be winning and going all out, period!
    If we win with our youth, I'd be estatic....because it gives me a glimmer of hope that we don't have to rely on the same game plan that has lost us games over the last 2 seasons.

    I've said this before....I would have no problem with the Team trying to go out there and TRY TO win with our youth...in fact, I'd be all for that. Why? Because we'd be evaluating our youth ( specifically AJ and McRoberts ) to determine whether they'd be considered part of the future core or not while trying to win games would serve short and long term goals. If playing McRoberts more meaningful minutes translates into giving the FO the notion that he could fill the role of being a 4th/5th/6th rotational Big Man for the immediate future.....then it could save us the hassle of going out beyond this season to try to find one.

    It's not about developing as much as it is about evaluating for the long-term. To paraphrase Seth on this subject.....it's better to find out what we have now with the pieces that we have....instead of waiting until the offseason to guess whether we have any keepers or not. What I have a problem with is trying to win games while giving extensive minutes to our vets does very little IMHO to help us in the future.
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    Most of these posts make my blood boil. I loved watching the wins. I could get hit by a bus next week and I can at least leave the earth knowing that I saw my beloved pacers beat the evil Pistons one last time.

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    the evil pistons are not the evil pistons anymore, that team sucks and unlike the pacers they started tanking long time ago

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    You (IMO) should never want your team to lose on purpose. Being a bad team and losing is one thing. Having your guys accept losing, well how are guys who can accept losing play with pride when YOU decide they should win again? You can't turn a losing attitude on and off................This is just me but I NEVER want my competitors to stop COMPETING.
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    I should just stay out of this conversation. Quitting is for losers and I'm neither a quitter or a loser. I like it when my team beats a team that it is clearly better than. Sue me.
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    I should just stay out of this conversation. Quitting is for losers and I'm neither a quitter or a loser. I like it when my team beats a team that it is clearly better than. Sue me.
    this team quit in the 1st 50+ games of the season, do you think they are going to become winners by winning the rest of the way?

    Good for you that you enjoy a meaninless win that is affecting your team future

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    Why would it have turned out any differently? I mean, we are the Indiana Pacers, right? We all knew we would picking 7th or beyond, honestly.
    I've been posting for about two weeks now to expect the team to finish about eighth in the lottery hunt.

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    Pride conquers all.

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    I guess I'm convinced that the players could give a rat's *** about the franchise's lottery position. That's just fine with me! The players only focus should be winning and going all out, period!
    And that is the way it should be. That's called integrity. We're fans. We don't have to have integrity.


    Management isn't going to tell this coaching staff how to coach the team. Bird didn't with Carlisle in regards to J.O. ball and I don't expect him to with O'Brien regarding who gets minutes down the stretch of the season.
    He wouldn't know what to tell them, anyway. Remember, Carlisle and Harter did most of the "coaching" when Bird was in the first chair. Having said that, I have noticed that McBob and AJ and DJ are getting more regular minutes, regardless of the given reasons.

    Honestly though, there are some teams who are just better than the Pacers at tanking. We have the misfortune of having a number of our remaining games against those teams.
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    Haven't the Pacers won all their games over Detroit this season? Why would you expect to be different this time?

    Tanking is mostly a myth, especially at this point of the season. If the Pistons and the Pacers were tanking, Granger and Stuckey wouldn't have played yesterday.

    If the Pacers start winning over playoff teams left and right, then you have a point. As long as they're winning home games vs. teams lottery teams/fringe playoff teams, well, that's basically what they've done all season; that's no different what other lottery teams are doing right now.

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    So the future of the franchise rests on the difference between the 5th pick and the 8th pick? This rookie class is the one that will turn it all around?

    That boat won't float.
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