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    Sup gang, I've been lurking for awhile and I've decided it's finally time to step up to the big leagues. Like many of you, I've been trying to cope with the horribleness of this season. In doing this, I like to come up with trade scenarios that are at least possible, if not necessarily likely. Here is my "Dream Scenario" for the Pacers. The trade would be more likely to happen at the deadline, but obviously this summer would be better.

    Dream Pacer Scenario:

    Step A: Fire O'Brien

    Step B: Win the #2 pick in the lottery.

    Step C: Draft Evan Turner

    Step D: Trade Rush, Murphy, Dunleavy, and a future first for Chris Paul and Emeka Okafor.

    - Reasons why they would do this trade: Rush is a solid defender and a decent young piece. Murphy and Dunleavy expire and give them tons of flexibility to rebuild around Darren Collison, who’s playing just like Paul and doesn’t have a $13 million salary. Emeka Okafor doesn’t work in their system, so they’re looking to shed his contract which will have 4 years left at this point. The future first will come in handy while re-building to either add a solid role player or use to trade up and grab a top pick.

    - Reason why they wouldn’t do this trade: Chris Paul is a superstar.

    - Reasons why we should do this trade: We get (arguably) the league’s best point guard and a solid defender that we’ve been needing in the post. Okafor is very average offensively, but we don’t need him to score. Paul/Turner is the best backcourt in the league and it’s not that close.

    - Reasons why we shouldn’t: Rush could grow into an excellent 6th man/defensive specialist or maybe even starter, the 2011 first rounder would be nice to have. Chris Paul might have injury problems, Okafor’s contract might be too big. But, I think most would agree that the positives outweigh the negatives for us.

    Step E: Lineup
    PG - Paul/Price
    SG - Turner/Dahntay
    SF - Granger/2011 2nd round pick?
    PF - Okafor/Hansbrough
    C - Hibbert/Foster

    Step F: Future
    Use money freed up by Ford, Tinsley, and Foster coming off the books to give new deals to Paul and Hibbert, get a couple of solid role players/backups through free agency and 2012 draft. I haven’t exactly crunched the numbers Count-style, but I would guess we’d end up slightly over over the luxury tax when all is said and done (assuming Paul re-signs). However, I don’t see how this team doesn’t compete with Cleveland/Orlando/Atlanta night-in and night-out, so it seems worth it. Then again, Herb Simon's opinion on whether or not it's worth it is infinitely more important than mine.

    Thoughts about the trade: If they demanded our 2010 2nd rounder as well, I’d do it, but I wouldn’t be happy about it. I’d gladly substitute that pick and take Rush out of the trade, but I don’t think it works financially and they’re not going to trade Paul for a couple of expirings and a couple picks. They may not trade Paul anyway. Obviously the most difficult task would be prying Paul from NO and hoping other teams don’t offer a better package than ours.

    Any thoughts would be appreciated.

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    I don't think they would be willing to part with Paul, but they may listen to an offer for Collison.

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    Sup gang, I've been lurking for awhile and I've decided it's finally time to step up to the big leagues. Like many of you, I've been trying to cope with the horribleness of this season. In doing this, I like to come up with trade scenarios that are at least possible, if not necessarily likely. Here is my "Dream Scenario" for the Pacers. The trade would be more likely to happen at the deadline, but obviously this summer would be better.

    Dream Pacer Scenario:

    Step A: Fire O'Brien

    Step B: Win the #2 pick in the lottery.

    Step C: Draft Evan Turner

    Step D: Trade Rush, Murphy, Dunleavy, and a future first for Chris Paul and Emeka Okafor.

    - Reasons why they would do this trade: Rush is a solid defender and a decent young piece. Murphy and Dunleavy expire and give them tons of flexibility to rebuild around Darren Collison, who’s playing just like Paul and doesn’t have a $13 million salary. Emeka Okafor doesn’t work in their system, so they’re looking to shed his contract which will have 4 years left at this point. The future first will come in handy while re-building to either add a solid role player or use to trade up and grab a top pick.

    - Reason why they wouldn’t do this trade: Chris Paul is a superstar.

    - Reasons why we should do this trade: We get (arguably) the league’s best point guard and a solid defender that we’ve been needing in the post. Okafor is very average offensively, but we don’t need him to score. Paul/Turner is the best backcourt in the league and it’s not that close.

    - Reasons why we shouldn’t: Rush could grow into an excellent 6th man/defensive specialist or maybe even starter, the 2011 first rounder would be nice to have. Chris Paul might have injury problems, Okafor’s contract might be too big. But, I think most would agree that the positives outweigh the negatives for us.

    Step E: Lineup
    PG - Paul/Price
    SG - Turner/Dahntay
    SF - Granger/2011 2nd round pick?
    PF - Okafor/Hansbrough
    C - Hibbert/Foster

    Step F: Future
    Use money freed up by Ford, Tinsley, and Foster coming off the books to give new deals to Paul and Hibbert, get a couple of solid role players/backups through free agency and 2012 draft. I haven’t exactly crunched the numbers Count-style, but I would guess we’d end up slightly over over the luxury tax when all is said and done (assuming Paul re-signs). However, I don’t see how this team doesn’t compete with Cleveland/Orlando/Atlanta night-in and night-out, so it seems worth it. Then again, Herb Simon's opinion on whether or not it's worth it is infinitely more important than mine.

    Thoughts about the trade: If they demanded our 2010 2nd rounder as well, I’d do it, but I wouldn’t be happy about it. I’d gladly substitute that pick and take Rush out of the trade, but I don’t think it works financially and they’re not going to trade Paul for a couple of expirings and a couple picks. They may not trade Paul anyway. Obviously the most difficult task would be prying Paul from NO and hoping other teams don’t offer a better package than ours.

    Any thoughts would be appreciated.
    I like what you are getting at here. We have a solid chance of getting this franchise back to an elite level with this years draft pick and 2011 trade deadline.

    I dont think Hornets are willing to part ways with CP3. Hes arguably the best PG in the game, better than Collison. I like the idea of getting Okafor. I know people are saying that his numbers have dropped, but I am sure that if he is back to his original PF position, he'll play a lot better.

    Heres what I would do:

    1. HOPEFULLY get the #2 pick (last nights win against the Bobcats did not help us at all) and draft Turner
    2. Trade Ford, Rush and 2011 1st rounder (protected top 10) to Nets for Harris and then trade Murphy for Okafor - http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade...radeid=5492910


    This would still leave us with Dunleavy, Foster and Tinsley coming off the books in 2011 which will help our financial situation

    Harris/Price
    Turner/Jones
    Granger/Dunleavy
    Okafor/Hansbrough/McBob
    Hibbert/Foster
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    I like what you are getting at here. We have a solid chance of getting this franchise back to an elite level with this years draft pick and 2011 trade deadline.

    I dont think Hornets are willing to part ways with CP3. Hes arguably the best PG in the game, better than Collison. I like the idea of getting Okafor. I know people are saying that his numbers have dropped, but I am sure that if he is back to his original PF position, he'll play a lot better.

    Heres what I would do:

    1. HOPEFULLY get the #2 pick (last nights win against the Bobcats did not help us at all) and draft Turner
    2. Trade Ford, Rush and 2011 1st rounder (protected top 10) to Nets for Harris and then trade Murphy for Okafor - http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade...radeid=5492910


    This would still leave us with Dunleavy, Foster and Tinsley coming off the books in 2011 which will help our financial situation

    Harris/Price
    Turner/Jones
    Granger/Dunleavy
    Okafor/Hansbrough/McBob
    Hibbert/Foster
    I'd definitely be alright with that trade and I agree that it's more realistic than getting Paul. Do you think NJ will have to get Wall before they trade Harris? Shouldn't be that big of a concern though, I have a feeling Stern is going to make sure Wall heads their way.

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    I'd definitely be alright with that trade and I agree that it's more realistic than getting Paul. Do you think NJ will have to get Wall before they trade Harris? Shouldn't be that big of a concern though, I have a feeling Stern is going to make sure Wall heads their way.
    Yes that trade is under the assumption that NJ wins the lottery and picks Wall and we get Turner
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    You would have to give up at least Granger (they might want Hibbert too), take on what ever bad contracts they have, and if we got Turner I'm sure they would want him too. Chris Paul is still the number 1 point guard in the league. I don't think we have the pieces to get him and if we did we would end up with Paul and have bunch of bench players left.

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    Paul's great, but I don't think anyone would give up Granger, Hibbert, and Evan Turner for him.

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    Paul's great, but I don't think anyone would give up Granger, Hibbert, and Evan Turner for him.
    Totally agree. That's just asking too much
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