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    and he has mine. at least he put his heart into playing for the Pacers, and I do not feel the same way about J.O.

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    Stephen Jackson: Judge Me By My Game

    Cap’n Jack tells the Indy Star that he wants still-bitter fans in Indiana to look at his body of work on the court, not off of it, or in the stands: “The Charlotte Bobcats guard isn’t making excuses for his actions. What he wishes, though, is that Pacers fans would have focused on his basketball skills. Say whatever you want about Jackson, but know this: He wins. ‘I think people are not looking at the fact that I’m human and I make mistakes,’ Jackson said after the Bobcats’ practice Monday. ‘I made two mistakes, but I haven’t been in any trouble since. They need to realize I can play this game and I’ve been effective ever since I’ve been in this league. I help teams win and people should let the negative stuff go and look at the positive things.”‘

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    He may not have been in trouble, but that trade demand stunt he pulled after signing his extension in Golden State doesn't reflect too well.
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    He wants people to judge by his game? Has he checked his FG% lately?

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    I never had any issues with Captain Jack, other than the gun outside of the club thing. As far as him going into the stands to help Ron-Ron, I would've done the same thing in his shoes. Goes back to the old saying, "You know who your friends are because they aren't the ones bailing you out of jail. They'll be sitting right there with you in the cell." I'd rather have a teammate who would go to war with me if it came down to it, then one who is just going to let me go run into the stands and get mobbed all by myself.
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    He wants people to judge by his game? Has he checked his FG% lately?
    Have you checked his winning percentage? He has won everywhere he's been

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    He may not have been in trouble, but that trade demand stunt he pulled after signing his extension in Golden State doesn't reflect too well.
    No, it does not look good, but let's look at it this way. The Warriors beat the Mavs, and then trade Jason Richardson, don't sign Baron Davis or Matt Barnes. they lost a lot of talent after.

    He is probably in the latter stages of his prime and all he wants to do is win, he didn't sign his contract to be with a rebuilding project. Yes I know no one forced him to sign his contract either

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    I've never gotten into the whole pro/against Jackson. I was always a bit frustrated by him in that he played hard, played when visibly hurt (which was a big issue with some of our other players at the time). He could've been a fan favorite because of those two things. However, our tolerance for the other stuff was impacted by the then recent experience of getting burned by Artest after having supported him through the brawl fallout. That wasn't necessarily Stephen's fault, but it was what it was.

    What I could never get past on him was not the off court incidents nor was it the shot selection. In my opinion, the reason that the game watching/attending fan got down on him over time was for the number of times he would not get back on D because he was too busy mouthing to the refs and the times when he showed Rick direct disrespect on the bench or in huddles (though I know he didn't mean harm to Rick by it, it looked like it). You take those traits as a player who plays emotionally and it gets the best of him, add in the off-court stuff, and the picture of a knucklehead gets into your head. Those two things are what soured me on Stephen, much moreso than anything else.

    All that said, I harbour no ill will towards him and I wish him the best.
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    Have you checked his winning percentage? He has won everywhere he's been



    No, it does not look good, but let's look at it this way. The Warriors beat the Mavs, and then trade Jason Richardson, don't sign Baron Davis or Matt Barnes. they lost a lot of talent after.

    He is probably in the latter stages of his prime and all he wants to do is win, he didn't sign his contract to be with a rebuilding project. Yes I know no one forced him to sign his contract either
    Golden State pretty much pulled a bait-and-switch on him. Sign the extension, then they git rid of the core players and make Jackson part of a lottery team.
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    He wants people to judge by his game? Has he checked his FG% lately?
    Watched any games lately?

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    Have you checked his winning percentage? He has won everywhere he's been
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    I love that move he makes where he stays behind and curses the refs while the man he should be guarding drives the lane for an easy 2.

    I do feel ill will towards this jack ***. He was a central figure in the destruction of this franchise from the moment he arrived until the mega trade that was necessary to gt rid of him. Screw this guy. Screw Artest. Screw Tinsley, too. They do not deserve my forgiveness and they will not get it.
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    ... And that has translated into actual results, hasn't it?

    PD needs to institute a no-Jack policy because there are some dreadful takes around here, stemming from hard feelings and not actual game observations.

    Look up what NBA coaches and players say about Jack. We're all just subjective fans.

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    I never had any issues with Captain Jack, other than the gun outside of the club thing. As far as him going into the stands to help Ron-Ron, I would've done the same thing in his shoes. Goes back to the old saying, "You know who your friends are because they aren't the ones bailing you out of jail. They'll be sitting right there with you in the cell." I'd rather have a teammate who would go to war with me if it came down to it, then one who is just going to let me go run into the stands and get mobbed all by myself.
    Whatever, if Jackson was really Artest's friend, he would have pulled him out of the stands and gotten him back into the locker room (along with the rest of the team) as fast as possible.

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    Whatever, if Jackson was really Artest's friend, he would have pulled him out of the stands and gotten him back into the locker room (along with the rest of the team) as fast as possible.
    Whateva! Jackson went into the stands and fought back fans who were going after Artest. Go watch the video!

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    F Jackson.

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    ... And that has translated into actual results, hasn't it?
    Obviously it does, because there is a league average. There is an actual baseline stat to judge players on. It's not just a compiled stat with zero context.


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    PD needs to institute a no-Jack policy because there are some dreadful takes around here, stemming from hard feelings and not actual game observations.
    I'm glad you have the ability to watch a game and formulate an opinion based on those observations. I'm also glad you're making the argument that we do not.

    I know it's hard for you to believe, but some of us actually don't like his horrible shot selections and constant *****ing at the officials. You know, two of the same EXACT reasons why some of us weren't JO fans.

    But yeah, I don't base my opinion on what he does on the court, I let my feelings be formed from his stupid, childish actions only.

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    Sorry, I read this article earlier this morning on Realgm, and no where does Jackson ask forgiveness for his transgressions when he was a Pacer. He just simply asks fans to look at him differently, nothing about forgive me for my mistakes, just look at me as a player. From reading the thread title, I thought I must have missed his asking for forgiveness to the Pacers earlier this morning, but alas he never came out asking for forgiveness... just to view him as the player he presently is. That's not asking for forgiveness, and makes the thread title misleading.

    I look at his box scores every morning, and he usually leads the Bobcats in scoring. He's the main reason why Bobcats are in playoff hunt. He has played well since leaving the Pacers, and that's a credit to him. I wish him well, but I never want to see him in a Pacers uni again.

    If I had to choose between Jack and Rush, I'd choose Rush!!!!!!!!!
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    I love that move he makes where he stays behind and curses the refs while the man he should be guarding drives the lane for an easy 2.

    I do feel ill will towards this jack ***. He was a central figure in the destruction of this franchise from the moment he arrived until the mega trade that was necessary to gt rid of him. Screw this guy. Screw Artest. Screw Tinsley, too. They do not deserve my forgiveness and they will not get it.
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    As soon as he stops representing the bloods I will have a higher opinion of him. Until then, I will continue to really not like the guy.

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    I think I'll continue to miss what I liked about him (most of his game), and continue to thank God I don't have to deal with the stuff I didn't (the rest of his game, his nasty side that he would show towards refs/the coach/players, his part in the brawl, his part in the club rio incident).

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    Yeah, I forgot about the bloods thing, too.

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    I was going to leave this thread alone. But I want to at least refute the thread title.

    "Judge me by my game" is not the same has "Forgive me for my crimes."

    Jackson hasn't asked for forgiveness. He has said, in effect, "That's the way I roll, and y'all ought to love me for it."
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    I was going to leave this thread alone. But I want to at least refute the thread title.

    "Judge me by my game" is not the same has "Forgive me for my crimes."

    Jackson hasn't asked for forgiveness. He has said, in effect, "That's the way I roll, and y'all ought to love me for it."

    Ah, someone else sees that Jackson never asked to be forgiven for his transgressions. After 5 plus years, he's not saying forgive me, but judge me on my game not the problems I've caused. Real remorseful!

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    at least he put his heart into playing for the Pacers, and I do not feel the same way about J.O.
    You should feel that way about JO. The dude left it on the floor for us.
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    I never had any issues with Captain Jack, other than the gun outside of the club thing. As far as him going into the stands to help Ron-Ron, I would've done the same thing in his shoes. Goes back to the old saying, "You know who your friends are because they aren't the ones bailing you out of jail. They'll be sitting right there with you in the cell." I'd rather have a teammate who would go to war with me if it came down to it, then one who is just going to let me go run into the stands and get mobbed all by myself.
    Going into the stands is not "going to war"... it's silly. That's a horrible analogy. Following someone into the stands is even more silly.
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