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    OMG, why do you think we have to trade Granger in order to get a Badass Allstar. We don't! We are gonna have +30 million in cap space to work with. Pacers will have alot of opportunities to trade or sign an allstar to match with Granger and potential high draft pick

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    So the Draft Lottery Gods look kindly upon us and we land a top 2 or 3 pick, and we do end up drafting Evan Turner. Turner is 6'7", 210 pounds (likely to add a little weight leading up to the draft camps). His natural position seems to be more of a SG/SF. I think we're set at SG with Rush, if for no reason other than his defense. If he can chip in 10-15 points a night, then we're really set at the position.

    Then we have Turner, this uber-talented kid who is being compared to Brandon Roy, who would most likely fit into the role of a do-it-all SF. Here's the big question...

    Do we look at possibly trading Danny for an all-star caliber PF, ala the Granger-for-Al Jefferson deal?

    I realize it would be a bit of a risky move since we don't know for sure how Turner is going to produce in the NBA. But if he turns out to be the player that most professionals think he will be, he will likely at least match Danny's production level, and possibly eclipse it. Danny seems to have settled into this mindset that he has to have the ball in his hands in order to be productive. Problem is, he's not really a playmaker.

    Turner seems to be just that. Seems like the kid can pretty much do it all with relative ease. I'd say it's something that's at least worth discussing.
    I play Turner 100% as a PG starter, let him swing to SG/SF as you rotate out Rush and Danny and rotate in Price. Maybe you try Price/Turner with Rush off the bench if he can handle that.

    Actually I love the idea of Price/Turner because it mimics the Chalmers/Wade and Blake/Roy method which worked very well for those teams.

    Turner has played PG all year basically and faces very quick PGs coming at him without any real issue. He doesn't get spaced off them any more than Wall does (ahem, S. Carolina anyone).


    I go by the game a guy has, not what you want his measurements to be. That's how Bender was a PF when clearly he was a SG. Or why Wesley Johnson is a pure SG rather than an SF.


    Turner is NOT a catch and shoot guard - that's Rush. Turner is not going to be as good without the ball, you want him starting every play every time. That's a point guard, period.

    I'm "sorry" if you guys hate a PG that crushes other PGs in the post or feed Roy right over top of the PG defender, but personally I'll laugh all the way to the bank on that one.

    There is no way Turner is slower laterally than Mark Jackson or Jason Kidd. I don't even think Deron Williams is really quicker than him laterally.

    Sure Paul and Collison and guys like that will blow by, but then he's great at closing out and blowing up layups from behind anyway.




    Personally my prediction is you get the 6th pick, you draft Patterson and we are done worrying about this. I don't think the Pacers will get a top 4 pick.

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    OMG, why do you think we have to trade Granger in order to get a Badass Allstar. We don't! We are gonna have +30 million in cap space to work with. Pacers will have alot of opportunities to trade or sign an allstar to match with Granger and potential high draft pick
    Calm down there champ. I said it's worth discussing, not that we actually NEED to do it.
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    fit into O'Brien' style of play
    I sincerely hope the first top 5 pick we've had since Rik Smits isn't used with this solely in mind.

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    You people are seriously setting yourselves up for a letdown when we don't get anywhere near a top 2 pick.
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    I actually think that Turner and Granger would be a lovely combination. Very good fit.

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    I play Turner 100% as a PG starter, let him swing to SG/SF as you rotate out Rush and Danny and rotate in Price. Maybe you try Price/Turner with Rush off the bench if he can handle that.

    Actually I love the idea of Price/Turner because it mimics the Chalmers/Wade and Blake/Roy method which worked very well for those teams.

    Turner has played PG all year basically and faces very quick PGs coming at him without any real issue. He doesn't get spaced off them any more than Wall does (ahem, S. Carolina anyone).


    I go by the game a guy has, not what you want his measurements to be. That's how Bender was a PF when clearly he was a SG. Or why Wesley Johnson is a pure SG rather than an SF.


    Turner is NOT a catch and shoot guard - that's Rush. Turner is not going to be as good without the ball, you want him starting every play every time. That's a point guard, period.

    I'm "sorry" if you guys hate a PG that crushes other PGs in the post or feed Roy right over top of the PG defender, but personally I'll laugh all the way to the bank on that one.
    Listen. He's not a PG. Just like Wade isn't a PG. Just like Evans wasn't either.

    He "can play PG" at the college level. That's extremely different then being a PG or even being a PG at the NBA level. It's not a measurements thing, it's a what position he's best suited for thing. Heck..today..he had a triple double. Points, Rebounds, and Turnovers. Not. A. Point. Guard. It's not about his defense, it's about his offense. (although interestingly, he's apparently dating the Ohio State women's point guard...who is one hell of a point guard..sort of the Lindsay Lohan of Long Island points though.)

    If we're lucky enough to get Turner, we'll probably have the best wing combination with Turner/Granger + Rush as a backup to either and DJones to fill in in the NBA. But you don't force an excellent rookie into a role he won't excell at, particularly when he will excell at another role.
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    We are gonna have +30 million in cap space to work with.


    B4 making that statement you might have wanted to go back and read some of Count's posts.

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    In 2010, that leaves the Pacers with a rotation of:

    Ford/Watson/Price
    Rush/Head/2nd round pick
    Granger/Gomes/D. Jones
    Murphy/Hansborough/Gomes
    Jefferson/Hibbert/2nd round pick

    I like what Rush has been able to do of late and my love of Danny Granger isn't going to fade after an injury riddled season.

    I like Murphy's game in O'Brien system and think this line-up is capable of competing.
    That trade and this lineup makes me want to throw up for some reason. What would really
    cure what ails the Pacers is get Wall and short of that get Favors. Either would
    make this team viable and dangerous. Trade expirings and a pick for whatever else ails you after that.
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    I play Turner 100% as a PG starter, let him swing to SG/SF as you rotate out Rush and Danny and rotate in Price. Maybe you try Price/Turner with Rush off the bench if he can handle that.

    Actually I love the idea of Price/Turner because it mimics the Chalmers/Wade and Blake/Roy method which worked very well for those teams.

    Turner has played PG all year basically and faces very quick PGs coming at him without any real issue. He doesn't get spaced off them any more than Wall does (ahem, S. Carolina anyone).


    I go by the game a guy has, not what you want his measurements to be. That's how Bender was a PF when clearly he was a SG. Or why Wesley Johnson is a pure SG rather than an SF.


    Turner is NOT a catch and shoot guard - that's Rush. Turner is not going to be as good without the ball, you want him starting every play every time. That's a point guard, period.

    I'm "sorry" if you guys hate a PG that crushes other PGs in the post or feed Roy right over top of the PG defender, but personally I'll laugh all the way to the bank on that one.

    There is no way Turner is slower laterally than Mark Jackson or Jason Kidd. I don't even think Deron Williams is really quicker than him laterally.

    Sure Paul and Collison and guys like that will blow by, but then he's great at closing out and blowing up layups from behind anyway.




    Personally my prediction is you get the 6th pick, you draft Patterson and we are done worrying about this. I don't think the Pacers will get a top 4 pick.
    I an all for playing Turner at PG. He can switch to shooting guard as needed also.
    Statistically the Pacers have about an 11% chance right now of the first pick. So yes chances are against the 1st pick. But, it is not so slim it can't be talked about.
    I think Favors would be great next to Roy and Danny. With Roy at the high post some pitching to Danny or Favors......that would be worth seeing.
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    You people are seriously setting yourselves up for a letdown when we don't get anywhere near a top 2 pick.
    Really? What are you basing this statement on, because it definitely can't be facts. Considering we're 4th worst in the league right now and not showing any improvement, I'd say the numbers give us a very good chance of being "somewhere near a top 2 pick".
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    B4 making that statement you might have wanted to go back and read some of Count's posts.
    Why is there some consequence to making this statement.

    I've also made the statement in other threads that we might have as little as 20 million to work with the salary cap going down, and I was called out for that too. So 30 million is a good happy middle in my opinion.

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    Really? What are you basing this statement on, because it definitely can't be facts. Considering we're 4th worst in the league right now and not showing any improvement, I'd say the numbers give us a very good chance of being "somewhere near a top 2 pick".
    Ordinarily, I'd agree with you. But as I've mentioned in other posts, JOB is so unbelievably stupid that he won the 82nd game last year against the Bucks (after we were down by 17 at one point)...both teams were out of playoff contention at that point.

    And what did this 'win' cost us? It dropped us from the 10th pick (B. Jennings) to the 13th pick (Hansbrough).

    So with close to 20 games left, JOB can do plenty of damage to our chances to land a top 4 pick. Add to that that he probably knows his time is short as the Pacers coach, and that gives him almost no incentive to do something positive for this franchise, which is in this case LOSE.

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    Turner is more of a slasher, and Granger is more of a shooter, Rush is the defensive specialist off the bench with a three point shot who can play both positions. Sounds like a perfect rotation to me, why trade anybody? Turner would give us what we desperatly need, a guard that can penetrate... and we already have two guys he can kick out too who can knock down the three. Perfect.
    This. 100%. That's a well balanced wing rotation. Yes, we're thin up front, especially if Foster and Hans can't give us much next year...but I might like to wait and see how Hibbert grows and take a look at the big guys we have fit to see how they fit with a Granger/Turner/Rush/DJones/Dun wing rotation.

    I'd much rather try to move our expiring contracts plus draft pick sweeteners for a big man upgrade (we don't need an All-Star here) than ditch Granger or Rush.
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    Really? What are you basing this statement on, because it definitely can't be facts. Considering we're 4th worst in the league right now and not showing any improvement, I'd say the numbers give us a very good chance of being "somewhere near a top 2 pick".
    Take a look at the Pacers' remaining schedule, then look at the remaining schedules of the other lottery bound teams. I did that just a few days ago and came to the conclusion that the Pacers could VERY EASILY wind up with the 8TH worst record at the end of the year. I figure they might win 5-6 more games this year, while NY might win 2, Detroit 3, Washington 3, Sacramento 3, Philadelphia 3......... Well, you get the idea. The remaining schedule for the Pacers MIGHT be the easiest schedule any lottery bound team has.
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    Listen. He's not a PG. Just like Wade isn't a PG. Just like Evans wasn't either.

    He "can play PG" at the college level. That's extremely different then being a PG or even being a PG at the NBA level. It's not a measurements thing, it's a what position he's best suited for thing. Heck..today..he had a triple double. Points, Rebounds, and Turnovers. Not. A. Point. Guard. It's not about his defense, it's about his offense. (although interestingly, he's apparently dating the Ohio State women's point guard...who is one hell of a point guard..sort of the Lindsay Lohan of Long Island points though.)

    If we're lucky enough to get Turner, we'll probably have the best wing combination with Turner/Granger + Rush as a backup to either and DJones to fill in in the NBA. But you don't force an excellent rookie into a role he won't excell at, particularly when he will excell at another role.
    There are times when you throw away the position labels and just send the guy out there to play.

    Turner is a guy who could work well with a number of our wings and back-court players. Granger, Rush, Price, D Jones. It doesn't matter. He will find a way to work with them, and they will do the same with him.

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    If we can get the #2 pick, and that's what it would take to get Turner, we should keep him and try to acquire an other 1st round pick to select a PF. I would not pass on either Wall or Turner.

    I wouldn't be in any hurry to get rid of Granger or Rush if we added Turner. I'd want to keep them and continue to build. Yes, we need an upgrade at PF for sure, but that player doesn't have to be a superstar. A promising young player or a tough vet who will play defense and rebound would still help without sacrificing our promising core of players. Let's say maybe a trade for a vet or mid to low 1st round pick. Also, our 2nd rounder is almost as good as a low 1st rounder this year. Let's not forget that. It's quite possible we could get a really solid role player there or even someone good who was overlooked in the 1st round. The players projected to be selected late 1st and early 2nd look like pretty decent players.

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    Even though Turner had 10 turnovers in today's game, I really liked the leadership he showed and how he was really good throughout the game on his free-throws...It was the first that I've really watched him at all this season (first full game) and he showed me some things...I think he's a better playmaker than I thought he would be as he had some nice assists late in the game. He also got his own to carry his team when they needed some big baskets. The thing I also liked is that he attacks the basket and doesn't settle for outside jumpers late in the game. We'll just have to see what pick we get and how everything unfolds in the next several months. Plus draft workouts are a great resource of course (and I love the interviews that Pacers.com has of each player working out at Conseco before the Draft). I just hope that Bird doesn't screw this one up as we should have a high pick.

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    Listen. He's not a PG. Just like Wade isn't a PG. Just like Evans wasn't either.

    He "can play PG" at the college level. That's extremely different then being a PG or even being a PG at the NBA level. It's not a measurements thing, it's a what position he's best suited for thing. Heck..today..he had a triple double. Points, Rebounds, and Turnovers. Not. A. Point. Guard. It's not about his defense, it's about his offense. (although interestingly, he's apparently dating the Ohio State women's point guard...who is one hell of a point guard..sort of the Lindsay Lohan of Long Island points though.)

    If we're lucky enough to get Turner, we'll probably have the best wing combination with Turner/Granger + Rush as a backup to either and DJones to fill in in the NBA. But you don't force an excellent rookie into a role he won't excell at, particularly when he will excell at another role.

    Turner doesn't really need to play PG to have an an impact in facilitating the offense. Scottie Pippen and Jordan did plenty from 3 and 2. Brandon Roy doesn't need to play PG, either, and he's probably the best comparison to Turner. So I agree that Turner needs to be playing at a wing position.

    Price and Turner would be great together. For a big guy, Hibbert is a pretty decent at passing (certainly don't want him at PG either! ).

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    I play Turner 100% as a PG starter, let him swing to SG/SF as you rotate out Rush and Danny and rotate in Price.

    I been saying this for a long time, if the Pacers in some case get him I would play him at PG, the starting line up could be Tuner 6'7'' Rush 6'6'' Danny 6'7'' Hans 6'10'' and Hibbert 7'2'' nobody would ever say that the pacers play small ball anymore.

    By the way in case the Pacers get the 1st pick I would see who gets the second pick, if the Nets get the second pick I would trade the number one pick and Ford for Harris and the second pick+future 1st round pick, if Minnesotta gets the second pick I would trade the number one pick to Minny for Rubio+second pick and future 1st round pick there is so many ways to go if the pacers get the number one pick

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    I would absolutely play Turner at PG, look at what Brandon Roy does for his team. There comes a point and time where you take the best player and run with him. Look at Tyreke Evans, people said the Kings didn't need him.

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    I would absolutely play Turner at PG, look at what Brandon Roy does for his team. There comes a point and time where you take the best player and run with him. Look at Tyreke Evans, people said the Kings didn't need him.
    Roy doesn't play PG, and Sacremento has figured out Tyreke shouldn't either..and want a PG.

    Look, most other positions, you can switch players in and out. And sometimes, you can even have a big PG play as a shooting guard..(or a little one, if you're Jim O'brien)

    but playing a non PG at the PG position is, as a general rule..a very bad call. I wouldn't play Kobe Bryant at PG for more than 5-10 minutes..never mind a rookie that has no where near the skills of Bryant.

    Nothing against Turner. he's a fantastic player, who makes some great plays. That doesn't make him a point guard.
    And..when you force a player like Turner, who isn't a PG to play PG..you actually hurt them. They won't adjust as quickly. They won't be able to do thing they are used to. There are a ton of responsibilities that come with PG, and if you aren't a real PG..then it hurts your game in a multitude of ways. (Scoring, sometimes passing, having to worry about directing traffic, calling plays, ect..)
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    Nothing against Turner. he's a fantastic player, who makes some great plays. That doesn't make him a point guard.
    Agreed. Just look at the kid... prototype shooting guard.

    LeBron was supposed to be a PG, anybody remember that? He's a much better player at SF.
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    Sookie I am pretty sure that Turner already knows how to play PG the guy is the player of the year and his numbers are really good also, I know you are making an excuse so they can play AJ more, but if the pacers get Turner they got to play him at PG he would create shots for everybody around him and would kill every opponent by doing it the only way he knows slowly

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    Agreed. Just look at the kid... prototype shooting guard.

    LeBron was supposed to be a PG, anybody remember that? He's a much better player at SF.
    Have you seen Lebron numbers when he was playing PG more?
    Lebron is their PG there is not doubt about that, he has the ball in his hand most of the time and he is the one that creates the offense and also the three "point guards" they have are shooting guards in PG bodies they are not true PG's
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