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  • #31
    Re: Teammates revel in Rush's improvement

    Originally posted by Midcoasted View Post
    Exactly. Brandon will come out blazing next year.
    We heard that last year.

    He can be good or great, but he's inconsistent. That's why he was on the trading block and could still be moved this summer.

    He's got talent. He needs to have that switch flipped on every game that Kravitz was talking about.

    Hell, post that quote above his locker or have a light switch tattooed on his right hand... anything to keep him motivated and being aggressive.

    I imagine he could be a heck of a player for Larry Brown, but why can't we get a coach for the Pacers to see our players flourish here and win games?

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    • #32
      Re: Teammates revel in Rush's improvement

      I'm not sold on the "youth = upside" argument. The biggest reason that we see so much improvement from very young players is because they weren't NBA ready when they were drafted and basically sucked for the first few years. To a certain extent I can understand this can be the case, but I find it irritating that it's always assumed that a junior or senior in college can't learn more and get significantly better over time because they didn't come to the NBA when they are 18 or 19 years old. I actually have more confidence that someone with a good work ethic like Hibbert will improve than your average early entry into the NBA Draft. Many of those youngsters will be complete washouts.
      Last edited by IndyPacer; 03-12-2010, 04:21 AM.

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      • #33
        Re: Teammates revel in Rush's improvement

        I like Rush. Good role-player. He needs to be more consistent with his work-rate and more engaged with the game. Should work on a floater, teardrop, something to help him to score over defenders and in the midrange. Trying to transform him into an All-Star, or a primary/secondary scorer, I think it'd hurt him more than help. I don't see that kind of shot-creation talent in him.

        Let role-players be role-players.

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        • #34
          Re: Teammates revel in Rush's improvement

          Originally posted by iPACER View Post

          We heard that last year.

          He can be good or great, but he's inconsistent. That's why he was on the trading block and could still be moved this summer.

          And you will hear it again by those wearing rose colored glasses.

          Too many see the potential but ignore the inconsistancy of Rush's game.

          And yes, there is a reason why Rush was offered to Charlotte, and it just wasn't sweetner to get rid of Ford. I expect to see that trade happen by Charlotte b4 next season for numerous reasons.

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          • #35
            Re: Teammates revel in Rush's improvement

            Originally posted by cordobes View Post


            Let role-players be role-players.


            BUT that's the problem, too many see him as more than a role player. The Robin to Batman when he's really no more than Batman's faithful family servant.

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            • #36
              Re: Teammates revel in Rush's improvement

              Originally posted by diamonddave00 View Post


              What happened to that attitude?


              Like Hansbrough , Rush was seen a safe pick with limited upside , so I guess my expectations are not as bright on their futures as most on here.

              Too much Jim O'Stubborn.


              That makes 2 of us. Both in my view are nothing more than role players.

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              • #37
                Re: Teammates revel in Rush's improvement

                Originally posted by Blink View Post
                Perhaps they're happy we didn't trade him for Charlotte's table scraps?

                Table scraps? I guess you don't follow other teams daily. If you did, you would have noticed Augustin is playing like last year of late. You know like Rush has started. PG position is more important than a dime a dozen SG. Oh yeah, Rush will be different next year just like Cubbie and IU fans say "just wait until next year." Next year will come and go with nothing changed.

                I'd like to see that trade come to fruition right prior to the draft.

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                • #38
                  Re: Teammates revel in Rush's improvement

                  Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                  Table scraps? I guess you don't follow other teams daily. If you did, you would have noticed Augustin is playing like last year of late. You know like Rush has started. PG position is more important than a dime a dozen SG. Oh yeah, Rush will be different next year just like Cubbie and IU fans say "just wait until next year." Next year will come and go with nothing changed.

                  I'd like to see that trade come to fruition right prior to the draft.
                  I tend to agree with you JT. I would love Henderson and Augustin in Pacers Uniforms. However Im not quite as estranged with Rush as you seem to be.....despite his offensive inconsistencies the guy is an absolute beast in defense......do you think Charlotte revisits that trade with us and swaps 1st @ 2nd rounders with us instead of getting Rush ? If so would you do it ?

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                  • #39
                    Re: Teammates revel in Rush's improvement

                    I love Rush's game. I have said this. I do not however overvalue what he is, although it may seem to the contrary. I think a role player can be your second best player. I think that every basketball player has a "role" on the floor. I see Rush in a very similar light to what Robert Horry and Joe Dumars were. They fit a role on the team and they made the players around them better by being so good at adapting to the game and the players around them. Rush is not a primary scorer. That's not his role. There are more dime a dozen players in this league who do nothing but score and make the players around them irrelevant.

                    I would call Rajon Rondo and Kendrick Perkins "role players". They fit their roles perfectly for the Big Three. If the Celtics didn't have three primary players as good as they are, Rondo and Perkins wouldn't be nearly as good as role players. Rondo and Perkins may adapt into primary players once Ray, PP, and KG are gone, but they are not now.

                    Rush would be a completely different player if he was on the Spurs. He would be so good on that team as a "role player" that people would view him differently. The guy has skills and sees the game well. He is the kind of veteran that plays for a championship caliber team. He is NOT a "superstar", but he doesn't have the ego of a purported superstar. The last "superstar" we had got paid like one and acted like a fourth grader. He was a detriment to this team because of attitude issues, being paid so much, and his selfish play. Rush epitomizes everything that player was NOT, but I would not say Rush is a more talented basketball player.

                    As for the trade, DJ Augustin is the key to it. How good is he defensively? He seems extremely undersized but sees the floor well when controlling the ball. I know he is an exceptional passer, but is that only in transition? Is he TJ Ford Jr. and we will be dealing with the same issues? I wouldn't swap Rush for Henderson straight up, but that's my opinion. Is Augustin any better than Price? We are past the draft so that is a legitimate question now. I do not value Nazr Mohammed, unless we end up trading away Murphy or Foster. I think this trade DOES happen though (unfortunately IMO).
                    "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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                    • #40
                      Re: Teammates revel in Rush's improvement

                      Originally posted by diamonddave00 View Post
                      If the Pacers somehow get the #2 pick in this years draft I still take Evan Turner , then see what I can get for Brandon Rush in a trade.


                      If we drafted Turner Rush would make an ideal sixth man who can play the 2 or the 3. I woulden't trade him at all.
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                      • #41
                        Re: Teammates revel in Rush's improvement

                        Just for comparison's sake.

                        AJ PRICE: 14 MPG - 6.7 points, 1.6 boards, 1.7 assists, 40% FGP, 33% 3P

                        DJ AUGUSTIN: 18 MPG - 6.2 points, 1.1 boards, 2.3 assists, 36% FGP, 36% 3P

                        Price has put up similar stats in less minutes as a rookie than Augustin, who is in his second year. Did I mention Price also has better size than the barely 6 foot Augustin?

                        I really hope we don't revisit that trade, I would hate to give up Rush and I don't think Augustin improves this team at all.
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                        • #42
                          Re: Teammates revel in Rush's improvement

                          Originally posted by Infinite MAN_force View Post
                          Just for comparison's sake.

                          AJ PRICE: 14 MPG - 6.7 points, 1.6 boards, 1.7 assists, 40% FGP, 33% 3P

                          DJ AUGUSTIN: 18 MPG - 6.2 points, 1.1 boards, 2.3 assists, 36% FGP, 36% 3P

                          Price has put up similar stats in less minutes as a rookie than Augustin, who is in his second year. Did I mention Price also has better size than the barely 6 foot Augustin?

                          I really hope we don't revisit that trade, I would hate to give up Rush and I don't think Augustin improves this team at all.
                          Thanked twice, since I don't follow other teams daily .

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                          • #43
                            Re: Teammates revel in Rush's improvement

                            Originally posted by Infinite MAN_force View Post
                            Just for comparison's sake.

                            AJ PRICE: 14 MPG - 6.7 points, 1.6 boards, 1.7 assists, 40% FGP, 33% 3P

                            DJ AUGUSTIN: 18 MPG - 6.2 points, 1.1 boards, 2.3 assists, 36% FGP, 36% 3P

                            Price has put up similar stats in less minutes as a rookie than Augustin, who is in his second year. Did I mention Price also has better size than the barely 6 foot Augustin?

                            I really hope we don't revisit that trade, I would hate to give up Rush and I don't think Augustin improves this team at all.

                            The trade wasn't Rush for Augustin, but a 5 player trade that included Bobcats Henderson & Nazr and Pacers TJ Ford.

                            I'd take those table scraps as they have been referred to as over some the scraps the Pacers have on their roster at the present. Those table scraps are playing for a team in the playoff hunt. How's the Pacers doing with Rush and Ford? Oh yeah, 4th worst record in the NBA with Rush and Ford as starters.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Teammates revel in Rush's improvement

                              Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                              And you will hear it again by those wearing rose colored glasses.

                              Too many see the potential but ignore the inconsistancy of Rush's game.

                              And yes, there is a reason why Rush was offered to Charlotte, and it just wasn't sweetner to get rid of Ford. I expect to see that trade happen by Charlotte b4 next season for numerous reasons.
                              Dude you obviously need to take your offense colored glasses off. You are just showing your totally ignorance to the bigger picture. Offense looks good defense wins championship. You are consistent in calling our best one on one defender "inconsistent." You are seeing a Rush who probably feels like he doesn't need to score because you have Granger and Murphy throwing up 30 junk shots a night.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Teammates revel in Rush's improvement

                                Originally posted by Wylder1324 View Post
                                I tend to agree with you JT. I would love Henderson and Augustin in Pacers Uniforms. However Im not quite as estranged with Rush as you seem to be.....despite his offensive inconsistencies the guy is an absolute beast in defense......do you think Charlotte revisits that trade with us and swaps 1st @ 2nd rounders with us instead of getting Rush ? If so would you do it ?

                                Yes, I think the trade will be revisited. Felton is a FA, and I don't see Charlotte wanting to sign him to a 4-5 year contract at a big increase over his 5.5 mil salary this season. They can take Ford with his expiring for a year, and look for a better option than Felton.

                                I believe Rush is Brown's type player, and would play well in Brown's system.

                                This trade doesn't excite me to the point where I'd swap 1sts with Charlotte, unless the Pacers end the season with the 9-10 instead of the 4-7. Although if Tyrus Thomas was included instead of Nazr, I might have to re-think it.

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