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    PHOENIX -- Indiana Pacers forward Josh McRoberts began the four-game trip not expecting a lot of playing time.

    By the time the trip ended here Saturday, though, McRoberts was one of the few bright spots for the Pacers.

    McRoberts was a steady contributor all week, and his play during the trip may have helped him earn him more playing time.

    "I think on this road trip, Josh McRoberts has played well offensively," Pacers coach Jim O'Brien said about the Carmel native. "If he can continue to help us offensively and improve his defense, he'll get more and more looks."

    McRoberts got minutes against the Los Angeles Lakers in the trip's first game as the Pacers were thin in the frontcourt due to Roy Hibbert's foul trouble and Solomon Jones' suspension.

    McRoberts responded by scoring a career-high 15 points on 7-of-12 shooting in 23 minutes off the bench. He also showed a bit of toughness that the Pacers have lacked when he fouled Lakers All-Star guard Kobe Bryant to make sure he didn't get an easy dunk on a fast break.

    O'Brien took heat on sports talk radio shows in Indianapolis when he said McRoberts' performance during the Lakers game was "irrelevant."

    "I feel like I've done OK," McRoberts said. "I've got a lot of room for improvement, obviously. It's been good to get consistent minutes. It's a lot of fun to be out there playing."

    McRoberts had 10 points on 5-of-6 shooting to go with four rebounds, four assists and two steals against the Denver Nuggets on Friday. He threw down a one-handed dunk over a player many compare him to: Chris Andersen.

    McRoberts' athleticism and hustle has made him a favorite target of his teammates on the court.

    "He's shown intangibles you can't teach," point guard Earl Watson said. "His athleticism, his will to raise his basketball IQ. He's very skilled. He can handle the ball as a big on the break and finish with the right or left hand.

    "He's still young and has a lot of room to grow. He's up there with most of our young players with the most potential."

    McRoberts has an opportunity to be a solid rotation player off the bench if he improves his defense and rebounding and continues to work on his jump shot.

    McRoberts went into Saturday's game averaging 3.8 points and 2.5 rebounds in 24 games this season.

    "I feel confident in my shot," McRoberts said. ". . . It's tough when you get one or two jump shots a game to prove you can make jumpers. If I go out and get 10 jumpers, I feel like I can make five or six of them. It's a matter of making the shots I get and staying confident."

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    Wow. Wells is really fired up and still hammering O'B here. O'B clearly would tell Wells that this article and the others Wells has written during the road trip are irrelevant because they didn't come in any winning efforts.

    Amazing that Watson, an NBA player of a pretty long career, sees McRoberts as an NBA player, apparently, and is willing to say so:

    "He's shown intangibles you can't teach," point guard Earl Watson said. "His athleticism, his will to raise his basketball IQ. He's very skilled. He can handle the ball as a big on the break and finish with the right or left hand.

    "He's still young and has a lot of room to grow. He's up there with most of our young players with the most potential."
    Watson practices with him, so he is not just saying things because of seeing him in very limited game performances like the rest of us who like him and his abilities, as well as stating that he thinks he at least has some potential (notice I understated what Watson actually said), even if we assume that our young players don't have big potential.

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    "I think tonight, Josh McRoberts played well offensively," Pacers coach Jim O'Brien said about the Carmel native. "If he can continue to help us offensively and improve his defense, he'll get more and more looks."
    Would this have been so effing hard to say after the Laker game?

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    Would this have been so effing hard to say after the Laker game?
    he is saying that now because everybody got mad a him for not doing it and throwing him under the bus, all this can tell me is that Mcbench is not playing next game.

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    Would this have been so effing hard to say after the Laker game?
    I thought his performance in that loss was irrelevant.


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    If a lot of people are comparing him to Chris Andersen, I think that is a good thing.

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    3 of the 4 games were a hell of a lot more fun to watch than the rest of this season. He's the reason.
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    "I think on this road trip, Josh McRoberts has played well offensively," Pacers coach Jim O'Brien said about the Carmel native. "If he can continue to help us offensively and improve his defense, he'll get more and more looks."

    There he goes again, slamming Josh for his defense!

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    If a lot of people are comparing him to Chris Andersen, I think that is a good thing.
    I don't think he is anything like Anderson in style, Josh is more offense than D at the moment and not really a big shot blocker, but I whole heartily agree it's a good thing to be compared to a solid player and contributor on a very good team.
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    If Josh is considered anywhere close to Chris Anderson, he should be starting for the Pacers. Anderson, for all his quirks, is a solid member of a great team.

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    He's like the Birdman in that he brings athleticism, and you immediately notice his energy off the bench. However, beyond that they're totally different players.

    Birdman is a defensive presence with little to no remnants of any kind of go-to offensive game. Josh, while not really having a go-to offensive game himself, can still hit a jumper and has much better passing, handles, and court awareness offensively.

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    I think Josh has had flashes of being a much better defensive player than he has shown recently. He has made some monster blocks in the past but hasn't really had any during this recent stint of minutes. I have also seen him play some very good defense on the perimeter. Where he needs a lot of work is his team defense and his low post defense, hopefully adding some more strength in the future will help with the latter.

    He already looks bigger than last season and if he is capable of adding even more bulk this offseason it would go a long way in making him a better inside presence defensively.
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    I can see the Birdman comparisons. Josh also reminds me of a guy like Louis Admundson whom we saw on Saturday night in Phoenix.

    With Josh, you gotta remember that he is still the youngest player on the team and just turned 23 last week. Had he stayed in school, this would have been his rookie season after riding the NBA bench last year in Indy and the year prior in Portland and the D-League.

    I think he brings a lot of energy and hustle when he plays. I think he can continue to work on his post game and continue to get stronger. He has a future in the league. While he may never be an Amare or Bosh, I think he can fill the role as a back-up and potential 6th man. In fact, he could become a potential starter in the mold of a guy like Foster.

    Even if we lose every remaining game, JOB needs to be playing Josh for the remaining 15-20 games consistently.

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    One of the few brightspots of the team the past week or so, no doubt.

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    McRoberts is proving that white man can jump, lol..... Okay, okay, that's not saying a lot, but, seriously, he is a very athletic dude. When watching him on the court out there, it's usually easy to spot him as one of, if not *the*, most athletic man on the court. For his size, he is very quick, can sky for the put-back dunks, can run the court very well, can run the break (!) and finish the break to top it off. He has shown a savvy passing game, as well. He's got very good handles for a big man. On top of all that, he's an energy guy... I've seen him diving across the court for loose balls when the rest of our guys are standing around watching. He's getting offensive boards in a sea of defenders and giving us second-chance opportunities. Setting picks. He's doing a lot of "glue" stuff.

    When he first came here, he was probly the most raw player we had... and he was obviously in need of a lot of improvement and experience. Despite the fact that he's not had a lot of experience since then, he's clearly made a lot of improvements. Which shows he's putting in a lot of hard work between games.

    I still think he has areas he needs to improve, mainly his shooting form and consistency, but still he's showing some impressive abilities. Would like to see this guy getting a lot more court-time and keep improving.

    The team's energy visibly changes when he steps on to the court.

    You know what... I'd be curious to see what a Hansbrough/McRoberts front-court could do.
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    You know what... I'd be curious to see what a Hansbrough/McRoberts front-court could do.


    Totally agree with ya . Especially on this part...


    They (together) in a line-ups with with Danny , Rush , and Price , would be a VERY VERY fun team to watch. I think if they had a chance to play alot together in games , we would be a surprisingly good TEAM..
    With Josh even alternating the 4 with Tyler.. as well as getting some minutes at the 5 with Roy starting...

    All the parts = the whole.. All parts have to be working , firing on all cylinders , and we'd definitely have a nice look at playing well in/making the playoffs next season...


    I know I am being a sunshiner, but seriously ..

    Josh and Tyler could be like the davis boys , maybe better, who knows, if they work on their defense.... Which I have seen flashes of good to very good defensive plays by both ..So know they are capable.. They both like to bang with the big boys, which is an attribute all in itself that is VERY good to have..


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    The Potential is there..........

    The end result? ....

    all depends on what are they gonna do with it, and will they even get the opportunity under JOB/Bird/whoever is next coach..
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    I ran into Josh (literally) early this afternoon at a basketball tournament that my nephew was playing in at the Fishers Fieldhouse. He was there watching his little bro's team play against my nephew's team. He posed for pictures with a few of the teams if they asked but he was mostly left alone.

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    If a lot of people are comparing him to Chris Andersen, I think that is a good thing.
    I did.

    Last year.

    Energy big that disrupts the flow when another team gets going or gets physical, and at times almost disrupts your own team just as much. Paraphrasing myself from last season.

    Whenever they faced guys like Anderson, Ty Thomas, Aldridge, etc I would be screaming to see McRoberts as a counter punch for 5 minutes just to kill that flow off, even though it hurt the Pacers a bit too. Like a "cooler", a bench specialist.

    I've never changed that view, which made all the "he's not a star" outrage look pretty dumb.

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    http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/web_100309.html?rss=true

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    The last time I got fired up about how well Josh McRoberts was playing, Troy Murphy's sprained ankle healed, the veteran returned to the lineup and it was back to the bench for Carmel's finest.
    Though that was three months ago, you'll understand if my renewed optimism over McRoberts' recent stretch of strong play is still tempered a bit by caution.

    There was the career-high 15-point outing against the Lakers that included a posterization of Kobe Bryant. After an off night in Portland, he came back with 10 in Denver and seven in Phoenix, contributing a handful of rebounds and occasional blocks along with his usual impressive array of dunks.

    Even if you aren't impressed by the numbers, or the dunks (seriously, how could you not be impressed by those dunks?) you have to give the guy credit for being ready when called upon. Since Solomon Jones' one-game suspension, McRoberts has been the first, and only, big man off the bench.

    "I always try to have confidence in myself," McRoberts said. "It's something you always have to have. Even if you're not getting minutes you have to know that you can come in there and get the job done. But it helps to be able to take some of the things we do in practice very day and put them into a game."

    Though Jim O'Brien caught some heat for declaring McRoberts' 15-point night against the Lakers as "irrelevant" after the game (you'll forgive the coach for struggling to find individual positives after the team's performance in a blowout loss), he has been impressed by the youngest player on the roster; though this is McRoberts' third NBA season, he's just 23 years old.


    "I think he's doing some good things," said O'Brien. "He's giving us energy and he needs to continue to work on his shot. He runs the court well, he gets some offensive rebounds. For anybody that has not had a lot of playing time in the NBA at the big spot, defense takes a little bit of time to get going. That's an area, his ability to defend, that's very important to his development as a player."

    O'Brien has said since the opening of training camp minutes would be earned primarily at the defensive end, which could explain why McRoberts hasn't played that much. For all the spectacular things he does with his athleticism, energy and the ability to electrify the crowd and his teammates with his dunks, he still needs polish on some of the basics.

    "It energizes you when somebody gets a lob dunk but if you look at defensive numbers, on the West Coast trip he did some positive things offensively but defensively we struggled with him on the basketball court," O'Brien said. "Roy (Hibbert), for instance, has become a better and better defensive player and Roy wasn't a good defensive player when he was getting the amount of time Josh is.

    "Josh needs to just be out there in order to find his way at the defensive end. He's certainly capable of being a solid defensive player and that's what we're concentrating on, to make sure that he understands exactly what he's doing well defensively and what needs to be improved."

    It sounds like McRoberts might be in line for a more extended run of playing time, which will give the local legend a chance to learn in the ultimate classroom.

    "The best way to learn is in a game," McRoberts said. "You can do a lot of stuff in practice, do different things and not be able to do them in games. Moving screens and stuff you can get away with in practice, or some fouls, but it's different in games. So games are the best opportunity to learn."

    Whether McRoberts can graduate into a full-time rotation player remains to be seen. But at least, at last, he's getting a chance to make his case.

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    So after Josh plays well on the road trip we come home for a game where one of our forwards (Granger) is suspended and I'm thinking that McBob will get some good minutes but that's not the case... JOB gives him 4 freaking minutes of playing time. What does McBob have to do to get some freaking playing time????

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    Let me get this straight. McRoberts has to earn minutes by playing better defense and yet Murphy is still out there? Really, Jim?

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    "The best way to learn is in a game," McRoberts said. "You can do a lot of stuff in practice, do different things and not be able to do them in games. Moving screens and stuff you can get away with in practice, or some fouls, but it's different in games. So games are the best opportunity to learn."
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    So after Josh plays well on the road trip we come home for a game where one of our forwards (Granger) is suspended and I'm thinking that McBob will get some good minutes but that's not the case... JOB gives him 4 freaking minutes of playing time. What does McBob have to do to get some freaking playing time????
    Pacers were doing good, Josh came in and they sucked, Josh left and they played good again.

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    Pacers were doing good, Josh came in and they sucked, Josh left and they played good again.
    You're from Carmel and Josh snaked your girlfriend in high school, right?

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    Pacers were doing good, Josh came in and they sucked, Josh left and they played good again.
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