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    Ok, so I completely understand and agree with the "No politics" approach to PD. But this is a political story that's all about the NBA, so I'm not sure what the line is. I'm going to go ahead and post it, since it's "political" but not "partisan" (ie there's no Republican or Democrat side to the story). If this isn't appropriate for the main board, mods feel free to move to Market Square. If it's not appropriate for PD, feel free to delete.

    I'd like to think that we could discuss this purely in terms of basketball as a business without getting into why we need to elect Ron Paul for President. But we'll see.

    With all those caveats said, what are your thoughts on this?

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    Isn't imminent domain the housing status of the families on Extreme Makeover: Home Edition at the beginning of the show just after the demolition happens?

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    Good find.


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    I'm a huge fan of reason.tv

    My feelings about this are hard to express in words, but yes, it does bother me.

    I'm not trying to attack the bar or anything but if it is so special, shouldn't it be tagged as a local heritage spot or something so it is protected? They have done this to buildings here in DC that have no federal significance but are important to the folks whose families have lived in DC for 200+ years.

    Although I was never alive at the time, I have read about a more innocent time in sports, before sports were injected with billions and billions of dollars. I think in Bill Simmons' book he talks about his dad getting Celtics season tickets in the old, unairconditioned Boston Garden in the mid 70's for something like 150 bucks. Now, one ticket to sit down there for one might cost that much, maybe more. And this wasn't in 1870 or something, this was less than 40 years ago. It is amazing how things have changed so fast.

    Simmons wrote another article about how he interviewed a Pats fan in his mid 60's who, during the 1980's, was able to drive up to whatever was there before Foxboro, part right across the street from the stadium for a couple bucks, and bring in a 24 pack to the stadium every week that Pats were at home, sat in the lower level, and had the time of his life. This also is unimaginable today.

    In those days, nothing like this could have happened. Sports did not have the money or power they do now and would not be able to commandeer the government into giving them a massive handout like is going on here. The business behind sports is now really ugly. When I think about the business behind sports, I think about seeing some 90 year old multibillionaire with an oxygen tank sitting in the bank of a Bentley with no shirt on, tanning bed skin, and two 18 year olds with breast implants. It is just gross and makes me shiver.

    I also think I've read somewhere the notion that athletic stadiums are worth the constant handouts because they do a lot for the local economy is basically bogus. At this bar, you've got bartenders who make their livelihoods there, people who are blessed because they're able to make a decent living in this country in the service industry, which is increasingly rare. They're going to lose their jobs and that stadium is going to be full of wage slaves making 8 bucks an hour 50 days a year selling popcorn. You can't make a decent living like that. I just don't like the whole thing.

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    Great video.

    This just exemplifies everything that is wrong in professional sports.

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    I also think I've read somewhere the notion that athletic stadiums are worth the constant handouts because they do a lot for the local economy is basically bogus.
    Yeah, pretty much everywhere. I don't think there's a valid economic study that's been done that's found anything else.

    Imminent domain is used to buy land for far less than what it's worth. Despite loving his bar, I'm sure there's a price where the owner would say "Well for THAT, sure I'll sell it." I'd be interested to know what he's being offered.
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    The NBA has a good product. They'd certainly be in a better position if government handouts didn't exist.

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    I also think I've read somewhere the notion that athletic stadiums are worth the constant handouts because they do a lot for the local economy is basically bogus.

    This is the seminal work on that topic:

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    as brad was subtly implying, the phrase is 'eminent domain'

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    as brad was subtly implying, the phrase is 'eminent domain'
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    This is the seminal work on that topic:

    I truly feel bad for the taxpayers for the city of Ft. Wayne at this point whose peerless leaders made the decision to build a brand new $35 million stadium to help revive their downtown instead of pursuing numerous other ideas that would have been more likely to make a difference, like an indoor waterpark and hotel complex, or attempting to acquire the available casino license for use on whatever river frontage they have available there from the former Majestic Star / Trump complex in Gary that only requires one license since the two merged. There were other suggestions as well, but those were the two that seemed the most logical with regards to making Ft. Wayne a destination city with attractions that would even make its downtown more vibrant than it has been in years.

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    I truly feel bad for the taxpayers for the city of Ft. Wayne at this point whose peerless leaders made the decision to build a brand new $35 million stadium to help revive their downtown instead of pursuing numerous other ideas...
    Yep. Rosentraub did a really good analysis. But any of us can do a pretty good benefit cost analysis just by what we know:

    An NBA franchise has salary costs of $60+ million a year and only 41 home dates a year. A movie cinema is open 365 days a year and its salary expenses are one minimum-wage kid at the ticket booth and one at the concession stand. The Pacers can't come any where near selling enough tickets (at an average of $30 per ticket) to cover their personnel costs, while a movie theater can cover all its personnel costs in the first month of the year.

    As fans we are glad to have these facilities. But as taxpayers, we ought to be pulling out our hair.
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