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    I like danny so this is not a thread to bash him. I just don't understand how we can complain about everyone else and continue to give danny a pass.

    In the post game threads I have how every thing is troy's fault because he won't defend or josh's fault because he had the worst plus minus.

    However nowhere in this thread or any other thread to day do I see even one mention of danny's 30 mins of play and how many rebounds.

    Look it up really you will be shocked. This guy gets no blame and he is our best player and how many rebounds was that again in 30 mins. LOOK IT UP.

    So i know everyone likes to blame everyone else but really how can this be overlooked by everyone.

    Never mind, it was troy's fault for stealing all the the rebounds that danny should have had.
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    I've said all season long that with any NBA team you are only as good as your best player. Yeah I think Granger is the most important person in the franchise and his play does need to be looked at very closely. What the franchise decides to do with granger is a hugely important question. But this forum gets weighed down on so many other much less important things.

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    He gets a pass because of injuries and the personal situation that he is going through with his family at this point. His struggles despite playing while injured and being misused by our coaching staff, coupled with now being totally distracted by personal issues that even O'B says are serious and Danny himself has admitted are even intruding into his thoughts during games make his efforts be appreciated more than they otherwise would be.

    His play has, frequently, been detrimental to the team this season, and most realize that. However, when everything is factored in, it is surprising that he has done as well as he has.

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    Danny is playing like most of us perform at work just before a vacation. He just wants this season to end!!!
    Two injuries, horrible record, a locker room that is likely deteriorating (as winning builds chemistry, losing builds miscontent), and likely does not have the greatest faith in our coach. Two yrs ago, after Dun's breakout I think Danny thought we could win enough to be a mid-seed in the East. Two yrs laster we are a 5th seed in the Lottery.

    He's pouting, he's emotional (for on/off court reasons), he's not focused, he's likely still not 100% physically, & likely has regressed skill wise from everything he worked on this past off-season (defense, ball-handeling, iso-moves).

    Let the season end, call a mulligan, & lets get a top pick, add Tyler :fingers crossed:, & maybe a trade or two, & just start over.
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    He gets a pass because he didn't want JOB as coach, got angry when JOB was extended, got renewed hope when they started winning with a different defensive minded philosophy, then got his hopes dashed again when Murphleavy, politics, stubbornness, cowardice, and money trumped winning.

    Danny's cynical right now, and I don't blame him.
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    Dude was matched up with Ron Artest. Nuff said.

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    I don't give him a free pass, but I learned last season...

    there is one topic you just don't want to bring up around here, and that's being critical of Granger.

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    I've been saying for awhile now Granger was the worst, best player in the NBA. I still fully believe that.
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    If your only job in the game is to shut down Danny Granger, Ron Artest could do it 9 out 10 times. Artest is like 260 lbs? and built like a tank. Danny is like 230, You aren't going to box out Ron Artest on a rebound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRushWithDeath View Post
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    I've been saying for awhile now Granger was the worst, best player in the NBA. I still fully believe that.
    sad but true.

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    It's been discussed on here this year.
    http://pacersdigest.com/showthread.php?t=50519
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    It's been discussed on here this year.
    http://pacersdigest.com/showthread.php?t=50519
    And last year, when the writing was already on the wall, but largely ignored.

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    I don't give him a free pass, but I learned last season...

    there is one topic you just don't want to bring up around here, and that's being critical of Granger.
    Should have learned not to dismiss a concussion as "just a headache."

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    I'm not sure we can assess any of our players fairly with the coach we currently have...

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    Should have learned not to dismiss a concussion as "just a headache."
    The guy came back the very next game...

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    i dont think we really give granger a free pass
    the difference is that we like granger and want him around and we dont like troy and dont want him around

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    http://pacersdigest.com/showthread.php?t=48606

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    Admittedly, only one of many, many reasons.

    With about 8 min left, Danny came down and jacked a pull up 3 with about 21 on the shot clock. No big deal, we're getting obliterated.

    He makes it. As he back pedals down the court he looks up at the stat board to check his numbers. He must not have been looking at his rebound totals because he gave up an uncontested putback on the subsequent possession.

    That's our leader, folks.

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    The guy came back the very next game...
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    I've said all season long that with any NBA team you are only as good as your best player. Yeah I think Granger is the most important person in the franchise and his play does need to be looked at very closely. What the franchise decides to do with granger is a hugely important question. But this forum gets weighed down on so many other much less important things.
    What is your opinion about what we should do with Danny? Are you open to moving him this summer? Maybe for a higher pick or an S&T for the plethera of free agents this year?

    I am becoming more of a believer that he can't be the main guy. He isn't really a floor leader. This team desperately needs a leader on the court, someone with enough game to justify having that position. I am open to keeping him, but I would not be crushed if they took a gamble and tried to make something happen either. I think he is much better suited to be the 2nd guy with an elite PG/SG.

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    I still love Danny. Right now he's probably my favorite player on the roster.
    And in regards to why he is given more slack than other guys on the team??
    Because right now, Danny Granger is all we have. If we don't have a truly talented Granger, we don't have anything.
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