Results 1 to 24 of 24

Thread: who is the better defence specialist?Brandon rush or Dahntay Jones

  1. #1
    Member Kamiyohk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    HongKong
    Posts
    226

    Default who is the better defence specialist?Brandon rush or Dahntay Jones

    I always think that Brandon rush is the better Mr "D" in the team.
    Why pacers want trade rush before trade deadline?
    Just let D.jones go and fix Rush in the defence specialist role. Then you will not expect rush to score 1x points per game again.
    Nothing will make you disappointed again about rush when he takes D jones role in the team.(why we signed jones?only defence)

    We should keep rush!

  2. #2
    Member sportfireman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Louisiana
    Age
    35
    Posts
    1,216
    Mood

    Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: who is the better defence specialist?Brandon rush or Dahntay Jones

    BRush
    I'm not perfect and neither are you.

    Romans 3:23 For all have sinned,and come short of the glory of God. kjv
    Ephisians 4: 32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you. kjv

  3. #3
    Administrator Unclebuck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    32,988

    Default Re: who is the better defence specialist?Brandon rush or Dahntay Jones

    Rush has higher trade value, and they can't just let Jones go. They owe Jones three more years on his contract. Jones plays with more consistant effort

  4. #4
    Member BPump33's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Indianapolis, IN
    Age
    31
    Posts
    1,844

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: who is the better defence specialist?Brandon rush or Dahntay Jones

    Quote Originally Posted by Unclebuck View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Rush has higher trade value, and they can't just let Jones go. They owe Jones three more years on his contract. Jones plays with more consistant effort


    I'm not sure I agree with that. Jones plays with more intensity and emotion, but Brandon still plays with effort pretty consistently. Just because he's not pounding his chest and yelling doesn't mean he's not trying. He's got a very quiet way about him and I think people take that as him not trying.

    If Dahntay would have made that block that BRush made last night he would have been celebrating quite a bit.

    In saying that, I think if Brandon did pound his chest and do all the emotional/intense gesturing that Dahntay does that this board would appreciate Brandon's defense a lot more.

    I was looking at Brandon's twitter account yesterday and he had a comment about how much losing sucks and it was good to see because that was one of the only emotional type statements I had read/heard from him. It's just not in his personality to show a lot of emotion and I think that hurts our perception of him.

  5. The Following User Says Thank You to BPump33 For This Useful Post:


  6. #5
    Pacer Pride, Colts Strong Kid Minneapolis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Posts
    4,846

    Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: who is the better defence specialist?Brandon rush or Dahntay Jones

    Rush is a top-tier defender. The advantage he has over Jones is his length and reach. That come-from-behind block on Fisher last night was LeBron-level stuff. Tayshaun Prince on Reggie-level stuff.

    His defense on Kobe in the first quarter was pretty damn good. Can't exactly stop Kobe, but he definitely made it harder for him. I actually like our perimeter wing defense... Jones and Rush make a pretty damn good defensive tandem at the guard position.

  7. #6

    Default Re: who is the better defence specialist?Brandon rush or Dahntay Jones

    Quote Originally Posted by Kamiyohk View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

    Why pacers want trade rush before trade deadline?
    His being INCONSISTANT! You never know what you are getting from game to game from Rush other than defense.

    "In order to get rid of Ford" in the proposed Bobcat deal sweetner, Rush, had to be offered. Rush's replacement in that deal, Gerald Henderson, was touted as being a good "D" player coming out of college and has nice BB ability. DJ Augustin looks to be a good PG, and played well his rookie year.

  8. #7

    Default Re: who is the better defence specialist?Brandon rush or Dahntay Jones

    Well the Pacers must think its Dahntay, bc apparently, they have successfully cloned him: http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=300302013

  9. #8
    Administrator/ The Real Jay ChicagoJ's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Chicago
    Age
    45
    Posts
    17,000

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: who is the better defence specialist?Brandon rush or Dahntay Jones

    Quote Originally Posted by Unclebuck View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Jones plays with more consistant effort
    I'd like to know how anyone outside of the lockerroom can actually assess effort. I'd venture a guess that most of those inside the lockerroom can't judge effort either.
    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
    And life itself, rushing over me
    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you


  10. #9
    Member Speed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Brownsburg
    Posts
    8,621

    Default Re: who is the better defence specialist?Brandon rush or Dahntay Jones

    BRush is, to me, the best defender on the team, easily. That's really not saying much though. I understand the frustration with him by the franchise, because you see the tools for him to be an exceptional all around player.

    D. Jones isn't as good defensively as I thought. I mean team defense or ability to guard SFs. He's also, borderline terrible offensively in the half court, imo. His contract is fine for a potential situational defender/spirited guy, but he's not even close to the level BRush is at on defense, imo.

    I'll go so far to say, that I'd be willing to keep BRush as a starter at 2 guard as part of the rebuilding process, but rethinking expectations that he is just a really good defender who can knock down a 3, nothing more.

    I think BRush defensively on a really good team would be much more highly thought of than he is now.

    More...

    I think BRush is near elite in length and footspeed for his position defensively. He is an excellent weak side shot blocker, too. I do recognize how horrible he is with the ball in his hands on offense in recognition situations, but if you had a team where he could just do what he's comfortable doing and guard the opposing teams best 2/3, you have something that you can win with . imho.
    Last edited by Speed; 03-03-2010 at 11:48 AM.

  11. #10

    Default Re: who is the better defence specialist?Brandon rush or Dahntay Jones

    Personally, I think DJones knows he won't get time unless he scores, so instead of focusing on "his role" he tries to score, because like any player, he'd like to play.

    BRush though, just tries to help the team out. He's physically more gifted then DJones, but I'm not sure this year should really be used to evaluate DJones' defense. Wait until that will actually be valued by a coach.

  12. #11
    Member Speed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Brownsburg
    Posts
    8,621

    Default Re: who is the better defence specialist?Brandon rush or Dahntay Jones

    Beating my drum. Under Larry Brown both D Jones and BRush would be much better defensively as would the team.

  13. #12
    Member Trophy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    Posts
    8,556

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: who is the better defence specialist?Brandon rush or Dahntay Jones

    Brandon I think has the ability to do more things than Dahntay. Mainly scoring and shooting.

    If we're talking consistent defense, I'd still say Brandon.

  14. #13
    FREE LANCE MillerTime's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Toronto
    Posts
    4,848

    Default Re: who is the better defence specialist?Brandon rush or Dahntay Jones

    Jones is a better defender, but Rush is overall better because of his offensive abilities
    "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.



  15. #14

    Default Re: who is the better defence specialist?Brandon rush or Dahntay Jones

    BRush. Danhtay knows alot of tricks on the defensive end, but I think BRush is a more natural defender. But as has already been mentioned herein, BRush doesn't wear his emotions on his sleeves. So, you don't see the intensity he has until he actually makes a good, solid defensive play. But even then you don't see all the self-promotion out of him that most players do, i.e., chest thumping, etc.

    Regardless, I think BRush is the better defender.

  16. #15
    On the Vogel Wagon gummy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Indy
    Posts
    3,929
    Mood

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: who is the better defence specialist?Brandon rush or Dahntay Jones

    Early in the season, Dahntay. After the first 20 games or so his D fell off quite a bit. Brandon has been the best since then. I agree that BRush has an obvious height/length advantage and he is pretty strong already. As time goes on he'll learn more of the NBA tricks and he is more physical this year than last. I see him using that barrel chest to bump people off their routes pretty often, which is not something he did with regularity last year.

    I also agree that if he was more emotionally demonstrative on the court people would notice and appreciate his defense more.

    Personally, I thought Putnam took the whole idea of Rush being more inconsistent than anyone else on this team to the woodshed a couple of weeks back, but I guess entrenched themes die hard whether or not there's much evidence for them. I'm too lazy to look up the thread right now though. Anyway, I would love to see Rush operate under a better coach because I think his offensive game would grow and he's going to become an even better defender. Unfortunately I don't know if we're going to get that opportunity because Rush is one of our few trade-able assets.
    Last edited by gummy; 03-03-2010 at 02:50 PM.
    "Freedom is nothing else but a chance to be better." - Albert Camus

    "Appreciation is a wonderful thing. It makes what is excellent in others belong to us as well." - Voltaire

    "Everyone's values are defined by what they will tolerate when it is done to others." - William Greider

  17. #16
    .
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Posts
    52,583

    Default Re: who is the better defence specialist?Brandon rush or Dahntay Jones

    Right now it's hard to say you've gone wrong with either one.

    Jones has more experience, but I think Rush have more raw talent. So moving forward, if I had to let one go, it'd be Jones 10 times out of 10. It's a shame we finally have two good defenders on the wings again and it's in a year where the team as a whole stinks.

  18. The Following User Says Thank You to Hicks For This Useful Post:


  19. #17
    Member Dr. Awesome's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Wilmington, NC
    Posts
    4,271

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: who is the better defence specialist?Brandon rush or Dahntay Jones

    Quote Originally Posted by Speed View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Beating my drum. Under Larry Brown both D Jones and BRush would be much better defensively as would the team.
    I believe Larry Brown could get Brandon Rush to an All-Star level of play.

  20. #18

    Default Re: who is the better defence specialist?Brandon rush or Dahntay Jones

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicks View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    It's a shame we finally have two good defenders on the wings again ...
    ... and I'm terrified that the front office will be short-sighted enough to trade one of them.

  21. #19
    Running with the Big Boys BillS's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Danberry
    Age
    55
    Posts
    12,190

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: who is the better defence specialist?Brandon rush or Dahntay Jones

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Awesome View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    I believe Larry Brown could get Brandon Rush to an All-Star level of play.
    I believe Larry Brown would have left Brandon Rush on the bench his entire rookie year and, therefore, in the minds of many on PD, would have ruined him for his entire career.

    If Brandon went to him NOW, on the other hand...
    BillS

    "Every time I pitched it was like throwing gasoline on a fire. Pkkw! Pkkw! Pkkw! Pkkw!"
    - Ebby Calvin "Nuke" LaLoosh

  22. The Following User Says Thank You to BillS For This Useful Post:


  23. #20
    .
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Posts
    52,583

    Default Re: who is the better defence specialist?Brandon rush or Dahntay Jones

    Quote Originally Posted by Kraft View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    ... and I'm terrified that the front office will be short-sighted enough to trade one of them.
    If they get something good in return, I'm fine with it (in theory).

  24. #21
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Fort Wayne, IN
    Posts
    684

    Default Re: who is the better defence specialist?Brandon rush or Dahntay Jones

    I agree with the sentiment that B. Rush's talented can't be accurately evaluated under this coach. The Bobcat's deal looked good for us, but I wouldn't be surprised if Larry Brown would have evened it out, possibly more in their favor.

    I personally do NOT want to see Rush leave. We need at least 2 or 3 solid scoring options for Rush to thrive. Granger is one. Hibbert should eventually become another. I'd like to see a true top level talent eventually paired with Granger. With the scoring pressure off of Rush, he could do quite well. He scores points when opportunities come to him, but don't try to force him to be something he's not.

    Why does every player need to constantly demand the ball and score to be considered good? That's not Rush's game. If everyone was fighting over shots and minutes and shots, that's a much worse situation. Rush could eventually be extremely valuable with the right mix of talent and a good coach.
    Last edited by IndyPacer; 03-05-2010 at 10:51 AM.

  25. The Following User Says Thank You to IndyPacer For This Useful Post:


  26. #22
    Administrator Unclebuck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    32,988

    Default Re: who is the better defence specialist?Brandon rush or Dahntay Jones

    Quote Originally Posted by ChicagoJ View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    I'd like to know how anyone outside of the lockerroom can actually assess effort. I'd venture a guess that most of those inside the lockerroom can't judge effort either.
    While I understand maybe the point you are making. I think I can judge effort during a game. I can't in practice because I don't see practice. Are you asking a trick question?

  27. #23
    Member PR07's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    5,003

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: who is the better defence specialist?Brandon rush or Dahntay Jones

    I'd go with Rush. Dahntay while strong for his size, doesn't have the height, length, and overall size of Rush. Bigger guards and swingmen can give DJ some trouble.

  28. #24

    Default Re: who is the better defence specialist?Brandon rush or Dahntay Jones

    Rush is a better wing defender, Jones is better defending the point of attack. Rush was behind in terms of team defence, but he's catching up quickly and will eventually surpass Jones. Jones has the better motor and demeanour but Rush will be better or at least more valuable as a defender if he already isn't. Plus, he offers very good rebounding for his position.

  29. The Following User Says Thank You to cordobes For This Useful Post:


Similar Threads

  1. Tbird draft analysis: Brandon Rush
    By thunderbird1245 in forum Indiana Pacers
    Replies: 51
    Last Post: 05-03-2009, 10:35 AM
  2. Brandon Rush "I want to be the next Reggie Miller"
    By GrangerRanger in forum Indiana Pacers
    Replies: 87
    Last Post: 07-05-2008, 05:27 PM
  3. James Jones in Portland...
    By NorCal_Pacerfan in forum Indiana Pacers
    Replies: 33
    Last Post: 01-07-2008, 08:21 PM
  4. Was Fred Jones the right draft choice in the 2002 draft?
    By Will Galen in forum Indiana Pacers
    Replies: 19
    Last Post: 03-02-2004, 07:13 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •