# Thread: What is our elimination from the playoffs "magic number"?

1. ## What is our elimination from the playoffs "magic number"?

Does anyone know?

I'm curious to see what, if anything, changes with our approach to each game once we are mathematically eliminated, so I wanted to know what the "magic number" was to where we are officially eliminated.

Thanks

Tuesday?

3. ## Re: What is our elimination from the playoffs "magic number"?

John Hollinger's playoff odds have us at 0.0% already.

http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/playoffodds

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John Hollinger's playoff odds have us at 0.0% already.

http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/playoffodds
Gawd, look at Oklahoma City.

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What's most depressing is looking at Utah and then seeing that they have a better chance at winning the lottery at this point.

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What's most depressing is looking at Utah and then seeing that they have a better chance at winning the lottery at this point.
Yeah, this season has been different to say the least. But I still can't believe the turn-around that OKC has had this year. I mean goodness.

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John Hollinger's playoff odds have us at 0.0% already.

http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/playoffodds
He hates us, but I don't blame him in this situatuon.

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What's most depressing is looking at Utah and then seeing that they have a better chance at winning the lottery at this point.
How so?

Edit: nevermind. I see they have NY's pick

9. ## Re: What is our elimination from the playoffs "magic number"?

By simplest route (last two playoff teams have 29 wins, we have 39 losses), it's basically 14.

Charlotte is in 9th with only 27 wins, so their magic number to elimate us is 16.

This assumes we lose tiebreakers with these teams ,which we've lost 3 games apiece to Miami & Milwaukee, and we've split with Charlotte.

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Originally Posted by EmCeE
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How so?
They've got the Knicks pick, and Hollinger must be projecting the Knicks to finish worse than us.

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NYs pick isn't lottery protected?

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Originally Posted by BillS
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NYs pick isn't lottery protected?
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Originally Posted by duke dynamite
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Yeah, this season has been different to say the least. But I still can't believe the turn-around that OKC has had this year. I mean goodness.
OKC did it right! They sat vets that were not part of their future like Earl Watson and let the young guys take their lumps early on getting them tuned up for when it mattered... Like this year.

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OKC did it right! They sat vets that were not part of their future like Earl Watson and let the young guys take their lumps early on getting them tuned up for when it mattered... Like this year.
I can't do anything about it. I'd love to see Roy, Brandon, and AJ out there! I really would!

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OKC did it right! They sat vets that were not part of their future like Earl Watson and let the young guys take their lumps early on getting them tuned up for when it mattered... Like this year.
And moved.

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Originally Posted by BillS
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And moved.
They moved the summer before last season started. Gnome is right.

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And moved.
You're paranoid.

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You're paranoid.
Well, he does have a lot of reasons to be. I can't blame him. I am sort of on the same mindset as Bill. It's not really the attendance or whatever, it's the CIB.

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And moved.
...and once again, you're incorrect.

Yeah, they moved, but that is before they parked their vets. Anywho, they moved because Howard Schultz wants to pretend that he didn't know who he was selling the Sonics to. Clay Bennett moving them had absolutely nothing to do with how the fan base reacted to basketball decisions being made in the Front Office or on the Floor.

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And moved.

That had absolutely *NOTHING* to do with who was playing.

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And moved.
I understand your paranoia, but I think Shultz desperately wanted out of the NBA for other reasons.

You can argue that like the Pacers, the Sonics weren't making any money at the time, but I don't think any NBA team other than LAC makes money.

Anyway, looking at attendance and support now, it doesn't appear to be any better than during the worst days of Stephen Jackson and Jamal Tinsley, everyone remaining is an absolute diehard, I don't think it could get worse, and I don't think our record would even be any worse with the young guys playing.

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Originally Posted by Roaming Gnome
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...and once again, you're incorrect.

Yeah, they moved, but that is before they parked their vets. Anywho, they moved because Howard Schultz wants to pretend that he didn't know who he was selling the Sonics to. Clay Bennett moving them had absolutely nothing to do with how the fan base reacted to basketball decisions being made in the Front Office or on the Floor.
I have been trying to find year-by-year rosters to see who actually sat in 2008-2009 that perhaps should have played more minutes, and it would take more time than I have to analyze. At one level, you are right, they played Durant and the young guys they'd gotten by sucking in their previous city. On the other hand, they'd lost 62 games in 2007-2008, they weren't going to do worse, they had a #2 pick to play (not a #13 pick), AND they were in a new city that was so hyped up they would have sold out even if they lost 82 games. Different much from our situation?

Yes, the sale moved the team. But if a team that basically had only a couple of losing seasons before a sale (not counting 2006-2007 since the sale was in 2006) can't find a new owner who will keep them in the same city, city, why does everyone think it is ludicrous that we'd be in worse shape after multiple losing seasons?

I hate using OKC as the shining example of how a franchise should do business on the floor. Tank, get your city to hate you, move, and then take advantage of the fervor in the new city. Works for Las Vegas, I guess.

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Originally Posted by Roaming Gnome
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...and once again, you're incorrect.

Yeah, they moved, but that is before they parked their vets. Anywho, they moved because Howard Schultz wants to pretend that he didn't know who he was selling the Sonics to. Clay Bennett moving them had absolutely nothing to do with how the fan base reacted to basketball decisions being made in the Front Office or on the Floor.
Originally Posted by BillS
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I have been trying to find year-by-year rosters to see who actually sat in 2008-2009 that perhaps should have played more minutes, and it would take more time than I have to analyze. At one level, you are right, they played Durant and the young guys they'd gotten by sucking in their previous city. On the other hand, they'd lost 62 games in 2007-2008, they weren't going to do worse, they had a #2 pick to play (not a #13 pick), AND they were in a new city that was so hyped up they would have sold out even if they lost 82 games. Different much from our situation?

Yes, the sale moved the team. But if a team that basically had only a couple of losing seasons before a sale (not counting 2006-2007 since the sale was in 2006) can't find a new owner who will keep them in the same city, city, why does everyone think it is ludicrous that we'd be in worse shape after multiple losing seasons?

I hate using OKC as the shining example of how a franchise should do business on the floor. Tank, get your city to hate you, move, and then take advantage of the fervor in the new city. Works for Las Vegas, I guess.
Well, the only vet they didn't play was Watson, who they sat for awhile. Still, he average 26 minutes a night in 67 games. In fact, the midseason banishment was actually pretty similar to what O'Brien did with Ford.

Also, he was moved out of the lineup looks like around March 11th or so, after they lost to the Nuggets to drop to 18-47. The last team to make the playoffs last year in the West won 48 games, so they'd been out of any realistic playoff hunt for weeks, if not months, by the time they benched Watson.

Also, Westbrook's minutes didn't go up any (actually lower per game in March than Feb), so it looks like a big chunk of the minutes went to Chucky Atkins.

(Edit - they had 21 players on their roster last year. I can't quite tell who was there when. Their core young players: Durant, Green, and Westbrook, all were playing heavy minutes from the time they came in the league. Of course, you're talking about the 2nd, 5th, and 4th picks in the draft, respectively.)

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Originally Posted by BillS
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I have been trying to find year-by-year rosters to see who actually sat in 2008-2009 that perhaps should have played more minutes, and it would take more time than I have to analyze. At one level, you are right, they played Durant and the young guys they'd gotten by sucking in their previous city. On the other hand, they'd lost 62 games in 2007-2008, they weren't going to do worse, they had a #2 pick to play (not a #13 pick), AND they were in a new city that was so hyped up they would have sold out even if they lost 82 games. Different much from our situation?

Yes, the sale moved the team. But if a team that basically had only a couple of losing seasons before a sale (not counting 2006-2007 since the sale was in 2006) can't find a new owner who will keep them in the same city, city, why does everyone think it is ludicrous that we'd be in worse shape after multiple losing seasons?

I hate using OKC as the shining example of how a franchise should do business on the floor. Tank, get your city to hate you, move, and then take advantage of the fervor in the new city. Works for Las Vegas, I guess.
Do you have any evidence to suggest that the reason no one saved the day in Seattle was the result of losing seasons?

Because everything I've read or watched on the subject said it all had to do with money, not the culture of the team (winning, losing, liked, unliked).

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Originally Posted by BillS
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I have been trying to find year-by-year rosters to see who actually sat in 2008-2009 that perhaps should have played more minutes, and it would take more time than I have to analyze. At one level, you are right, they played Durant and the young guys they'd gotten by sucking in their previous city. On the other hand, they'd lost 62 games in 2007-2008, they weren't going to do worse, they had a #2 pick to play (not a #13 pick), AND they were in a new city that was so hyped up they would have sold out even if they lost 82 games. Different much from our situation?

Yes, the sale moved the team. But if a team that basically had only a couple of losing seasons before a sale (not counting 2006-2007 since the sale was in 2006) can't find a new owner who will keep them in the same city, city, why does everyone think it is ludicrous that we'd be in worse shape after multiple losing seasons?

I hate using OKC as the shining example of how a franchise should do business on the floor. Tank, get your city to hate you, move, and then take advantage of the fervor in the new city. Works for Las Vegas, I guess.

Thing is Bill... Once the team was sold to an OKC business group, it didn't matter if the place was 100% capacity every night.... They were going to be moving unless a new building was built. It didn't matter if Seattle had the 72-10 Bulls with droves of fans... The Sonics were not long for Seattle under that ownership group.

Before you even suggest it, Schultz selling had NOTHING to do with the fan base or decisions that had to do with how or what players were on the floor. As Hicks just pointed out, all the move had to do with was money, in the form of a new arena to keep them in Seattle, or a guy bringing his hometown someone else's team which would generate him.... \$\$Money\$\$

Wrong straw man for this argument, I'm gonna light him on fire every time you post him up here!

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