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    Default Pacers brass gives Larry Bird vote of confidence...

    this according to the IBJ....

    Link: http://www.ibj.com/the-score/2010/02...AMS/post/18334

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    Pacers brass gives Larry Bird vote of confidence
    February 25, 2010

    Larry Bird is going to be draped in blue and gold for a while.

    Despite a bit of fan disgust over Bird’s failure to upgrade the Indiana Pacers’ roster before the NBA's Feb. 18 trade deadline, team brass said Bird has a secure future with the franchise.

    Pacers Sports and Entertainment President Jim Morris gave Bird, Pacers president of basketball operations, a hearty vote of confidence yesterday.

    Bird’s contract expires in 2011, and some have speculated that team owner Herb Simon is becoming impatient with Bird. Morris said that’s not the case.

    “Larry Bird has everyone’s confidence here,” Morris told IBJ. “He’s working as hard as humanly possible. And we know he will do what it takes to get us a championship caliber team.”

    Morris said he and Simon realize the strategy to re-build the Pacers is a multi-year plan. Much of that appears to revolve around clearing player salary cap space to bring in key free agents following the 2010-11 season.

    Despite falling out of playoff contention this season, Morris said Bird has put together a roster this community can be proud of.

    “We’re getting a lot of positive feedback,” Morris said. “Our fans just love Roy Hibbert, T.J. Ford, A.J. Price, Tyler Hansbrough and Danny Granger.”

    Morris especially praised Hansbrough, and said the rookie out of North Carolina would be even more popular with fans if it wasn’t for his struggles with an inner ear infection that has limited his playing time.

    Morris said he and Simon are confident Bird will improve the roster during the upcoming off-season. While he said an off-season trade is possible, he didn’t indicate that it’s mandatory.

    “Larry Bird will tell you this is going to be one of the best college drafts in a long time,” Morris said. “We are flat out committed to getting back to where we were in 2003 and 2004, competing for an NBA Championship.”

    Key to the team’s future success, Morris said, is “a successful draft and continuing outreach efforts.”

    The Pacers plan to get its players out doing public appearances in record numbers this off-season.

    “Our players have made more community appearances than any other team in the NBA,” Morris said.

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    Default Re: Pacers brass gives Larry Bird vote of confidence...

    Which leads to a question that I know I've shared with Seth... Is Larry Bird bulletproof in this job? Personally, I don't think Herb Simon is going to be put in a situation where firing Bird is the best decision for any said problem.

    I guess I say this looking back on the limited success that Donnie Walsh had before the Pacers broke thru in the 93-94 season. Technically, I can only count this being Bird's ship since the day that Donnie left.
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    I think it makes perfect logical sense for Bird to be allowed to stay here through the summer of 2011 and then probably a season or so after that to see if his masterplan has worked. Unless the owners have lost confidence in larry over the past couple of seasons, I see no reason to can him now - the owners had to know that nothing changes too much until 2011.
    That has been Bird's plan all along and it makes sense

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    “We’re getting a lot of positive feedback,” Morris said. “Our fans just love Roy Hibbert, T.J. Ford, A.J. Price, Tyler Hansbrough and Danny Granger.”
    That surprises me about Ford.

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    “We’re getting a lot of positive feedback,” Morris said. “Our fans just love Roy Hibbert, T.J. Ford, A.J. Price, Tyler Hansbrough and Danny Granger.”
    We love T.J. Ford? ... he's right about the other 4 though.

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    That surprises me about Ford.
    fans like the little guy

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    Default Re: Pacers brass gives Larry Bird vote of confidence...

    The Pacers plan to get its players out doing public appearances in record numbers this off-season.

    “Our players have made more community appearances than any other team in the NBA,” Morris said.
    That is all nice and cute, but what does it have to do with winning ball games?

    Why dont we just sign every player off of BYU's roster. They have to complete a mission before graduation, doesnt matter that they are below average ball players

    The undenying support by front office is either :

    A Deliousional
    B Trying to reinstill confidence in the fan base


    If I had to score Bird's tenure with the Pacers so far, I give him a "C"

    not great, not horrible

    If he does stay on then really his finally judgement will be based on what happens following the 2011 season
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    Default Re: Pacers brass gives Larry Bird vote of confidence...

    But wasn't it Mel Daniels or some other disgruntled employee that broke it to the media that Larry would be gone after this season?

    This just gets more and more interesting as the days go on...

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    We love T.J. Ford? ... he's right about the other 4 though.

    Intersting no mention of Rush

    Is he not appreciated in the city of Nap?
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    Default Re: Pacers brass gives Larry Bird vote of confidence...

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    Intersting no mention of Rush

    Is he not appreciated in the city of Nap?
    I personally don't believe this, but I think many possibly consider him a bust... therefore I wouldn't call him a fan favorite.

    EDIT: I'm talking about casual fans... not people on here.

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    Default Re: Pacers brass gives Larry Bird vote of confidence...

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    But wasn't it Mel Daniels or some other disgruntled employee that broke it to the media that Larry would be gone after this season?

    This just gets more and more interesting as the days go on...
    You are correct

    It was an interview he did with Peter Vecessy of the NY Post
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    But wasn't it Mel Daniels or some other disgruntled employee that broke it to the media that Larry would be gone after this season?

    This just gets more and more interesting as the days go on...
    It was vecsey who said that Bird was leaving after the season. The thread/article was lost when the forum went down, so we don't have it anymore. maybe could get through archived NY Post - it was in October -jsut before the season started

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    You are correct

    It was an interview he did with Peter Vecessy of the NY Post
    Wait, my memory is not so good. Was Vecsey reporting what Daniels told him? I thought Vecsey was suggesting Bird was leaving based on his sources, not on what Mel told him. - anyone remember

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    Really what else is ownership going to say? It's no different than the vote of confidence Bird gave JO'B.

    I must admit I thought Bird's contract ended after this season.

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    But wasn't it Mel Daniels or some other disgruntled employee that broke it to the media that Larry would be gone after this season?

    This just gets more and more interesting as the days go on...
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    You are correct

    It was an interview he did with Peter Vecessy of the NY Post
    One might think that stirring those kinds of things up without a basis to them would be a reason for being let go, or one might choose to think that there's a conspiracy against Mel.

    Gee, wonder which one this forum will choose?
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    Default Re: Pacers brass gives Larry Bird vote of confidence...

    Regardless, I knew it was Vescey. That and it doesn't matter who said it, whoever the source is right or wrong. Someone is lying.

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    Really what else is ownership going to say? It's no different than the vote of confidence Bird gave JO'B.

    I must admit I thought Bird's contract ended after this season.
    It does. And if you remember Herb said they weren't going to make out another deal for Larry. He was just going to continue to work until he wanted to quit, no contracts.

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    We love T.J. Ford? ... he's right about the other 4 though.
    While it is tempting to think that the group majority here reflects the attitude of the general fan base, it isn't quite the case.

    I think that reflects itself also in the PD idea that fans would rather see the team losing with the young guys than trying to win with players who aren't part of the team's future. I think the general fan really just wants to see us win, period. Oh, and not be a team full of "thugs".
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    Wait, my memory is not so good. Was Vecsey reporting what Daniels told him? I thought Vecsey was suggesting Bird was leaving based on his sources, not on what Mel told him. - anyone remember

    I don't remember him saying Daniels told him. That thread indicated many felt that it was indeed Daniels who gave Vecsey the info.

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    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_...freCARwCuLdgyH

    Daniels didn't deserve Pacers ax
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    YOU know the regular season is getting close when the commissioner is poised to throw out the first replacement referee.

    You know we've been on a slippery slope since the change from a peach basket . . . and now we discover Mel Daniels was fired Wednesday by the Pacers as director of player personnel.

    Owner Herb Simon and team president Larry Bird should be ashamed for not superseding GM David Morway's decision to hatchet one of Indianapolis' most revered sports figures, something he's wanted to do for months; conveniently he was out of the office, in Orlando, when the execution was implemented.

    The no-frills, no-bulls stick rancher/barrel racer/trainer of quarter horses had been a valued member of the front office for more than 40 years.

    Donnie Walsh should be embarrassed he ever hired such a paperweight as Morway, a former player agent whose basketball opinion rings hollow at his own family dinner table, to understudy him.

    Daniels was the ABA's regal rookie for the Muskies in the league's inaugural 1967-68 season. The 6-foot-9 center's services were sold to Indiana (to keep Minnesota afloat, which moved to Miami, actually, and was renamed The Floridians), where the three-time MVP bulk-headed three Pacers championships.

    His cruel sendoff (Daniels' chronic heart condition recently confined him to the hospital for a week) leaves the NBA unrepresented by a single ABA original.

    It's enough to make a lot of us forever pick up our dribble.
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    Default Re: Pacers brass gives Larry Bird vote of confidence...

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    While it is tempting to think that the group majority here reflects the attitude of the general fan base, it isn't quite the case.

    I think that reflects itself also in the PD idea that fans would rather see the team losing with the young guys than trying to win with players who aren't part of the team's future. I think the general fan really just wants to see us win, period. Oh, and not be a team full of "thugs".
    I've never realized the general fan base liked him... I have yet to see a TJ Ford jersey/tshirt at a Pacers game this season. Maybe I'm just not that aware of what the general fan base likes/dislikes.

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    While it is tempting to think that the group majority here reflects the attitude of the general fan base, it isn't quite the case.

    I think that reflects itself also in the PD idea that fans would rather see the team losing with the young guys than trying to win with players who aren't part of the team's future. I think the general fan really just wants to see us win, period. Oh, and not be a team full of "thugs".
    That is exactly right. If you think of the casual fans who go to a few games per season. They just want to have a good time, would like to see a good game and it would help if the Pacers won the game. if you ask them would you like to see Ford play 40 minutes or Price play 40 minutes - I doubt they really care.

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    I've never realized the general fan base liked him... I have yet to see a TJ Ford jersey/tshirt at a Pacers game this season. Maybe I'm just not that aware of what the general fan base likes/dislikes.
    You must walk around that place with your eyes closed then. LOL.

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    You must walk around that place with your eyes closed then. LOL.
    I'll look for them tonight... but from what I recall the only jerseys I ever see are Reggie, Granger, Hansbrough, Hibbert, and a few Murphy/Dunleavy jsys here and there.

    EDIT: By my own logic Murphy and Dunleavy are more of a fan favorite than TJ... yikes, didn't mean to promote that.

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    I'll look for them tonight... but from what I recall the only jerseys I ever see are Reggie, Granger, Hansbrough, Hibbert, and a few Murphy/Dunleavy jsys here and there.
    Trust me, I was surprised to see as many as I have this season.

    BTW, ask Shade on whose jersey he wears to all the games he attends.

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