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    WHAT DOES TPTB MEAN???

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    That's what I thought at first, but it was used in a few sentences that just didn't make sense.

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    If thats true then **** Larry Legend. He needs to be fired this very second. JOB is part of the problem, not in any way a solution. Keeping him around only entitles him to a false sense of success and hinders the growth of our young players. The only reason Rush isn't being considered a steal at where we got him is because of coaching. Same thing can be said for all of our young guys. Who knows maybe its organizational. But every game we play with Foster and Hansbrough out, and McRoberts is riding the pine, then there obviously is a problem.

    DG at the 4 only works for minutes, not games. Murphy and Ford are probably the most under rated players on our team, simply because they play for us. I mean both of them need a coaching change, for everyone's sake. JOBs gimmick ball just exploits their weaknesses IMO and keeps our young guys from progressing. Why keep him?

    Unless we are tanking, then obviously he needs to go this summer. We should be able to find a coach with Granger and the guy we've always wanted to play next to him, a top 5 draft pick. Along with Hibbert and Rush and God willing a healthy Hansbrough. Add in Price, our 2011 draft pick, hell who wknos maybe we land a good second round pick this year as well. we are basically picking at the end of the first if we tank it.

    Oh then we go out and beat Houston tonight...fml...

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    If thats true then **** Larry Legend. He needs to be fired this very second. JOB is part of the problem, not in any way a solution. Keeping him around only entitles him to a false sense of success and hinders the growth of our young players. The only reason Rush isn't being considered a steal at where we got him is because of coaching. Same thing can be said for all of our young guys. Who knows maybe its organizational. But every game we play with Foster and Hansbrough out, and McRoberts is riding the pine, then there obviously is a problem.

    DG at the 4 only works for minutes, not games. Murphy and Ford are probably the most under rated players on our team, simply because they play for us. I mean both of them need a coaching change, for everyone's sake. JOBs gimmick ball just exploits their weaknesses IMO and keeps our young guys from progressing. Why keep him?

    Unless we are tanking, then obviously he needs to go this summer. We should be able to find a coach with Granger and the guy we've always wanted to play next to him, a top 5 draft pick. Along with Hibbert and Rush and God willing a healthy Hansbrough. Add in Price, our 2011 draft pick, hell who wknos maybe we land a good second round pick this year as well. we are basically picking at the end of the first if we tank it.

    Oh then we go out and beat Houston tonight...fml...
    Never say **** Larry Bird. You should be proud to have a legend like him to represent Indiana. If it weren't for him and Magic, basketball wouldn't be televised and the likes of Lebron James and Kobe Bryant would be living on buses or trailer homes if they wanted to play basketball as a career. They are the ones that kept the wheels spinning. No one would like basketball, and the glory days of high school basketball in Indiana and those Hoosiers would only be a faint memory, and no one would care just like no one around here cares who wins the rugby national championship. If it weren't for basketball, I at least wouldn't be nearly as close to my friends and my father as I am because of basketball.

    "I keep wondering the same thing. Last week they had the 4th worst record in the league, had an 11.9 percent chance of winning the lottery and were in line to land a franchise type player like Derrick Favors or DeMarcus Cousins. This week? They have a 1.7 percent chance of winning the lottery, have the 8th worst record and are in line to draft Cole Aldrich or Greg Monroe. Way to go Jim O'Brien. Rest Danny Granger the rest of the season (if it isn't too late) and give Josh McRoberts lots of minutes. That ought to do it." - Chad Ford on winning meaningless games

    Way to go Jim, you may have just put our franchise back another 4+ years.

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    I'm just wondering how 'passivity' and 'not a gamer' is much of a difference from lazy and uninterested.
    A guy who is a strong defender like B. Rush isn't lazy.

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    In any event, I doubt anyone who made it to the NBA is lazy. Genetics helps a ton, but the league is too difficult for people who are truly lazy.

    I totally disagree with this. Remember David Harrison? Their are others who have talent to make the NBA, but were just too lazy to use that talent. They didn't want to work to make it. They just want to slide along w/o putting any effort into it.

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    Never say **** Larry Bird. You should be proud to have a legend like him to represent Indiana. If it weren't for him and Magic, basketball wouldn't be televised and the likes of Lebron James and Kobe Bryant would be living on buses or trailer homes if they wanted to play basketball as a career. They are the ones that kept the wheels spinning. No one would like basketball, and the glory days of high school basketball in Indiana and those Hoosiers would only be a faint memory, and no one would care just like no one around here cares who wins the rugby national championship. If it weren't for basketball, I at least wouldn't be nearly as close to my friends and my father as I am because of basketball.


    COUGH COUGH! There is a major difference between Larry Legend of the BB court, a top 50 all time player, than Larry Legend in the FO. Just b/c Bird was successful as a player doesn't guarantee him as being successful in the FO. Few great players make it as great/good GM's. Great examples of those that weren't are Zeke and McHale. As far as I'm concerned, Jordan is in their league as well.


    If Bird doesn't turn this mess around in his tenure in the FO, his Larry Legend's image in INDIANA will be extremely tarnished, b/c people in INDIANA EXPECT the Hick from French Lick to do it. They don't believe their icon can fail. He has set himself up to either be a savior or a failure. If he fails miserably in doing so, people in INDIANA will have a hard time accepting it. The Larry Legend's image will be soiled & tarnished b/c of his icon status. On the other hand if he succeeds, his legend will be talked about in INDIANA with deity status. Like IU fans thought about Robert Montgomery Knight.
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    Upgrade? Yeah right. That's debateable. I think Rush is better than that. Defensively they may be in the same class, but I don't think Henderson is much more than Dahntay offensively.
    What? If anything Henderson is a far better offensive player (than he is defensive, Rush being more balanced). He was a scoring machine at Duke last year, and had outside, mid and power scoring moves.

    I really liked Sam Young as a sleeper and I would never say Young was close to being a better scorer than Henderson. Young gets to play at Memphis and "amazingly" is doing just fine.

    Rush had him on 3P% (41 to 34), but not overall FG% or Points Per Shot. This had a lot to do with Rush taking HALF his shots from 3 while GH only took 1/4 of his shots from 3.

    GH took 188 FTA to 473 FGA (ratio of .40)
    Rush took 86 FTA to 414 FGA (ratio of .21)

    GH scored more PPG last year than Rush did his senior year and the numbers show reasons we've seen in Indy too...reluctant scorer, draws less fouls than GH because GH is more aggressive and capable going into traffic. GH has more one on one scoring moves of NBA caliber. GH has more hops and ability to dunk in traffic than Rush.

    AST/TO basically identical, FT% identical (76 to 78).


    Other than those results and Brown refusing to use him this year, what is the evidence that suggests Rush is a better offensive player?


    I was BEGGING for them to somehow get Kevin Love and Brandon Rush in that draft, so I'm not unhappy with Rush one bit. But that doesn't mean Henderson is dog crap, unless you ask Larry Brown. And if you want to use Brown's judgment I refer simply to the dreaded year to not be named....1997. His judgment that year was that Rose was DNP-CD caliber. Oddly Bird/Rick disagreed the next year, along with the Chicago Bulls.
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    I don't see Rush as a gamer.

    More important than stats, much more important I believe, is how a player performs when it really counts. Great players get better when things get more intense. They rise to the challenge and succeed when the pressure arrives.

    I have seen very little to suggest Rush is this kind of player. I've seen a few hints here and there that AJ, Tyler, and Roy fit this category. Danny has already proved it.
    I'm going to disagree with you a bit, especially because of how he played in college when I first said he was very "McKey-like" or "unselfish to a fault", without knowing his numbers at the time even.

    What would happen with him is he would defer to Chalmers and Arthur to be the main attack, but then there were periods of time when it would just be obvious that he needed to be the scorer and he'd suddenly go off with some pretty big plays. He was unbothered by pressure situations IMO.

    I don't think he shied from the spotlight at all, he just has an instinct to avoid being a chucker.


    I thought BlueNGold made a really good comparison to what Jackson brings at SG, the fire and aggressiveness. But that's not the only way to play SG.

    The issue for the Pacers is they never replaced what Jackson brings, so it stands out as missing with Rush. I think some of that is on Granger. If Rush can play next to ALL-STAR Danny rather than what we've had most of the year and Roy or a "set you up" PG, then I think he works great.

    Even as a bench SG, he's not going to come in ala Ford/J Terry and take 12 shots in a hurry. Obviously Jackson would. Sometimes that helps, sometimes that hurts. Rush plays from the POV of "avoid hurting the team". That can be frustrating in what is missing, but at the same time we aren't being frustrated by a slew of horrible FG attempts.

    I mean I really have been a fan of Jackson's game, but good lord did he have those 4-16 nights that you just wanted him to stop too. You won't get many of those with Brandon.

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    I can see both Ford and Rush as evidently fine with staying as each has played rather well in the past two games

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    Our front office thought Ru****J was a fair trade for Nazr/Henderson/Augustin. Charlotte didn't agree. We don't yet know who's right.

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    COUGH COUGH! There is a major difference between Larry Legend of the BB court, a top 50 all time player, than Larry Legend in the FO. Just b/c Bird was successful as a player doesn't guarantee him as being successful in the FO. Few great players make it as great/good GM's. Great examples of those that weren't are Zeke and McHale. As far as I'm concerned, Jordan is in their league as well.


    If Bird doesn't turn this mess around in his tenure in the FO, his Larry Legend's image in INDIANA will be extremely tarnished, b/c people in INDIANA EXPECT the Hick from French Lick to do it. They don't believe their icon can fail. He has set himself up to either be a savior or a failure. If he fails miserably in doing so, people in INDIANA will have a hard time accepting it. The Larry Legend's image will be soiled & tarnished b/c of his icon status. On the other hand if he succeeds, his legend will be talked about in INDIANA with deity status. Like IU fans thought about Robert Montgomery Knight.
    Gotcha. But still, dont say **** Larry Bird.
    "I keep wondering the same thing. Last week they had the 4th worst record in the league, had an 11.9 percent chance of winning the lottery and were in line to land a franchise type player like Derrick Favors or DeMarcus Cousins. This week? They have a 1.7 percent chance of winning the lottery, have the 8th worst record and are in line to draft Cole Aldrich or Greg Monroe. Way to go Jim O'Brien. Rest Danny Granger the rest of the season (if it isn't too late) and give Josh McRoberts lots of minutes. That ought to do it." - Chad Ford on winning meaningless games

    Way to go Jim, you may have just put our franchise back another 4+ years.

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    I'm going to disagree with you a bit, especially because of how he played in college when I first said he was very "McKey-like" or "unselfish to a fault", without knowing his numbers at the time even.

    What would happen with him is he would defer to Chalmers and Arthur to be the main attack, but then there were periods of time when it would just be obvious that he needed to be the scorer and he'd suddenly go off with some pretty big plays. He was unbothered by pressure situations IMO.

    I don't think he shied from the spotlight at all, he just has an instinct to avoid being a chucker.


    I thought BlueNGold made a really good comparison to what Jackson brings at SG, the fire and aggressiveness. But that's not the only way to play SG.

    The issue for the Pacers is they never replaced what Jackson brings, so it stands out as missing with Rush. I think some of that is on Granger. If Rush can play next to ALL-STAR Danny rather than what we've had most of the year and Roy or a "set you up" PG, then I think he works great.

    Even as a bench SG, he's not going to come in ala Ford/J Terry and take 12 shots in a hurry. Obviously Jackson would. Sometimes that helps, sometimes that hurts. Rush plays from the POV of "avoid hurting the team". That can be frustrating in what is missing, but at the same time we aren't being frustrated by a slew of horrible FG attempts.

    I mean I really have been a fan of Jackson's game, but good lord did he have those 4-16 nights that you just wanted him to stop too. You won't get many of those with Brandon.
    Sins of omission, sins of commission. As McGee fan pointed out when someone needs to step up at crunch time he's still deferring to someone else. Brandon plays alot like Dun offensively but Dun will step up when needed.
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    I totally disagree with this. Remember David Harrison? Their are others who have talent to make the NBA, but were just too lazy to use that talent. They didn't want to work to make it. They just want to slide along w/o putting any effort into it.
    I think our standards are different. Harrison made it to the NBA on genetics, but he also worked hard to lose weight....and he was in great physical shape. Those are not signs of a lazy person. Lazy people sit on the couch and continue to get fatter and more out of shape. Harrison did the opposite.

    Anyway, there's a difference between being dumb and being dumb and lazy. Harrison was dumb enough to risk his career by doing drugs. I would not put the lazy label on him though. No, he was not a Reggie Miller worker-type by any means. So, the only way I label Harrison lazy is if we compare him to other NBA players.

    Now, if you had said Eddy Curry I would probably have to cry uncle.

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    I'm going to disagree with you a bit, especially because of how he played in college when I first said he was very "McKey-like" or "unselfish to a fault", without knowing his numbers at the time even.

    What would happen with him is he would defer to Chalmers and Arthur to be the main attack, but then there were periods of time when it would just be obvious that he needed to be the scorer and he'd suddenly go off with some pretty big plays. He was unbothered by pressure situations IMO.

    I don't think he shied from the spotlight at all, he just has an instinct to avoid being a chucker.


    I thought BlueNGold made a really good comparison to what Jackson brings at SG, the fire and aggressiveness. But that's not the only way to play SG.

    The issue for the Pacers is they never replaced what Jackson brings, so it stands out as missing with Rush. I think some of that is on Granger. If Rush can play next to ALL-STAR Danny rather than what we've had most of the year and Roy or a "set you up" PG, then I think he works great.

    Even as a bench SG, he's not going to come in ala Ford/J Terry and take 12 shots in a hurry. Obviously Jackson would. Sometimes that helps, sometimes that hurts. Rush plays from the POV of "avoid hurting the team". That can be frustrating in what is missing, but at the same time we aren't being frustrated by a slew of horrible FG attempts.

    I mean I really have been a fan of Jackson's game, but good lord did he have those 4-16 nights that you just wanted him to stop too. You won't get many of those with Brandon.
    I hope you are right.

    But, let me clarify. Just because Brandon defers doesn't mean he doesn't need to be clutch. In my way of viewing things, all five players on the floor at the end of the game need to be clutch.

    I don't see Derek Fisher as a great All-Star player. But that's the kind of guy you need on the court at the end of the game.

    I'm less interested if a guy has great stats or great abilities than I am if he rises to the occasion at the end of games like a Derek Fisher.

    Regarding McKey, I can remember some games when he choked at the end and a few where he rose to the occasion. But he was at least good enough to be an enigma. Don't know if Brandon can even reach that level.
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    I think Brandon is so underrated here. I think he is much more than just a serviceable SG.
    I think you overrate Brandon....he may end up as a good player, but he's not right now.

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    Never say **** Larry Bird. You should be proud to have a legend like him to represent Indiana. If it weren't for him and Magic, basketball wouldn't be televised and the likes of Lebron James and Kobe Bryant would be living on buses or trailer homes if they wanted to play basketball as a career. They are the ones that kept the wheels spinning. No one would like basketball, and the glory days of high school basketball in Indiana and those Hoosiers would only be a faint memory, and no one would care just like no one around here cares who wins the rugby national championship. If it weren't for basketball, I at least wouldn't be nearly as close to my friends and my father as I am because of basketball.

    Unfortunately dude, I am only 25 years old. I never got to experience Larry Legend being anything great in Indiana. Sure he was from French Lick when I remember him playing in Boston at a very young age. As proud as I am one of the greatest ball players ever was a white boy from southern Indiana, I was never able to be a fan of him as a player. Plus I dislike Boston sports franchises.

    I grew up with Bob Knight and Reggie Miller being my basketball heroes. Calbert Cheany, Glen Robinson, etc....Bird only became relevant to me when he took us to the Finals...I became a huge fan of him.

    I went to high school where Bob Ford played. I always thought of him as an icon to me...

    I really was probably the biggest Bird koolaid drinker in the beginning. This franchise is being driven into the ground or its on its way to being great again. The jury is still out on Larry. Get us back to the top and I will love him. Drive us into the ground like he has since the Finals even further, then I'm sorry bub but I will HATE him. The Indiana Pacers are my team, and I will always be a kool aid drinking homer. We better finish top 5 in the East in 2011-2012 or I will consider this decade long experiment of his a failure. The three year plan is longer than three years.

    I believe in every single player he has drafted since Walsh left, and every move he has made. His hands are tied.

    So actually what I am saying is if he is really about to trade Rush because of O'Brien, then he needs to go. Rush is part of the solution, O'Brien is part of the problem. So if he is in any way putting O'Brien higher than Rush, Hibbert, Price, Granger, then **** him he needs to go. What don't you get here? This idiot coach should not be coming before any of our players.

    Now if Larry traded Rush and it made us better at defending the paint then I wouldn't have a problem with it.

    So my plea is to Larry is the Pacers are Indiana's team. Do the right thing and fire O'Brien or tarnish your image forever to us Indiana white boys. Great ball player, terrible GM.

    Do it Larry FIRE HIM. Be a GOOD GM. We HAVE a TOP 5 PICK coming if we tank out. next year it will be so easy to get a coach to come play for a team with

    My only hope is Larry gave O'brien the extension because he was going to force him to tank it, which means the fans will have his head for seeing Indiana loose more than we ever have. It's like maybe O'brien could have gotten us into the playoffs, but he seems to be doing everything in his power to keep us loosing. I don't know anymore. We have been pathetic ever since the brawl IMO. Thats starting to be a long time. Don't tell me were any good after the brawl when teams literally dunked on us so bad you could have made a room full of posters in a week. The New Jersey playoff loss still comes to mind...Yea that season really got us somewhere. Who did we draft that year?

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    While I think it is in the best interest to fire Jim O'Brien, it really shouldn't be done until the end of the season. We would have no interim coaches. Lester is Jim's best friend, Harter is too elderly, etc.

    And the Brandon trade; we lose one prospect and a bad contract and get two prospects back on top of a good back-up big. Nazr has been key to their success this season, and the only reason they were going to part with them was to get Tyrus Thomas (which makes no sense to trade him for a first round pick).

    It's not just Larry that runs this team either. It's Morway too. Just so you guys are aware.
    "I keep wondering the same thing. Last week they had the 4th worst record in the league, had an 11.9 percent chance of winning the lottery and were in line to land a franchise type player like Derrick Favors or DeMarcus Cousins. This week? They have a 1.7 percent chance of winning the lottery, have the 8th worst record and are in line to draft Cole Aldrich or Greg Monroe. Way to go Jim O'Brien. Rest Danny Granger the rest of the season (if it isn't too late) and give Josh McRoberts lots of minutes. That ought to do it." - Chad Ford on winning meaningless games

    Way to go Jim, you may have just put our franchise back another 4+ years.

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    I agree Thesterovic. Very nice post. Same to you too Seth.

    The one thing I wish Brandon would not do is go back to his hometown in Kansas again this off-season. I think he needs to ask his fellow Kansas alum Paul Pierce if he can work out with him this off-season. I think that PP would help supplement in BR the things he struggles with. PP has go to moves, he has fire, he has a scorer's confidence, and he demands the ball. These are all things BR could develop.

    Also, PP is a very hard worker in the off-season, especially having KG and RA around, who are notorious for their great work ethics. BR has a great work ethic but he needs direction from players who are great. Who understand what it takes to be great and BR needs to learn from those kind of players who are veterans that can show him what he needs to become a complete player. Paul Pierce is exactly who BR could use to help him get better.

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    Unfortunately dude, I am only 25 years old. I never got to experience Larry Legend being anything great in Indiana. Sure he was from French Lick when I remember him playing in Boston at a very young age. As proud as I am one of the greatest ball players ever was a white boy from southern Indiana, I was never able to be a fan of him as a player. Plus I dislike Boston sports franchises.
    Yeah, I'm in this boat too. Besides coaching our 2000 Eastern Conference championship team, I have no real allegiance to Larry Bird. I don't care about Indiana St. and I absolutely don't care about the Celtics. He was a good coach (the players respected him, which is half the battle, even if Carlisle was doing the majority of the actual coaching), but as a GM, I can't say I'm a huge fan.

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    I wonder if Bird still has any contact with Walker, Nicks, Reed, or Heaton.? I for the life of me can't remember the kid who played center. I can see him in my mind, I just can't remember his name.

    And yes, I remember the shot Heaton made to keep State undefeated until Michigan State in the NCAA finals game. I always wished Bird hadn't been injured going into that game.

    The game Bird played against, T-Birds big rival in Greene county, Bloomfield was a sell out to see Bird play. That's what I heard.
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    Hee hee.

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    WHAT DOES TPTB MEAN???

    lol
    What does FTW mean? If it means what I think it does, then I've seen it where it doesn't make sense also.

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    I for the life of me can't remember the kid who played center.
    Alex Gilbert ??

    I did get a chance to see an ISU game during their run to the title game. I came away from it being mildly impressed with Bird. ISU won, Bird had a good game, big deal.

    Next day, I saw in the paper that he had something like 40 points, 20 boards, a dozen assists, a bunch of steals .............. it's hard to imagine a guy putting up those numbers 'in the flow of the game', but he certainly did.

    He's still bad as a GM though.
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