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Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

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  • #46
    Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

    Originally posted by Hicks View Post
    What does it have to be either ink black or light white?
    Well, if you were discussing this with Bird, the choice would be simple.













    I'm kidding, I'm kidding. Sort of maybe.

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    • #47
      Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

      Originally posted by Thingfish View Post
      This Rush trade talk has me seriously worried about the competence of our front office and, of course, our coach from what he has said in the past.

      Brandon is probably the smartest player on the team as well as the best defender by far. Probably our best pure shooter and he plays within the flow of the game not forcing things (aka passive). I am going to be seriously pissed off if they trade him. He is a glue guy that all teams need.
      While I agree with you completely, other people may see it differently. He may be seen as a trade chip to bring in better and more established players. Serviceable shooting guards are a dime a dozen. We have alot of role player shooting guards, and we need a better one. Brandon looks like he won't get too much better than he is now, so we should deal him to a contender and get some expiring contracts, prospects, and picks in return. He'd fit well in Cleveland so lets send him and Murphy there for Mo Williams (I don't know).

      But I wouldn't have a problem if we deal him for a very good player. You've got to give something up to get something.
      "I keep wondering the same thing. Last week they had the 4th worst record in the league, had an 11.9 percent chance of winning the lottery and were in line to land a franchise type player like Derrick Favors or DeMarcus Cousins. This week? They have a 1.7 percent chance of winning the lottery, have the 8th worst record and are in line to draft Cole Aldrich or Greg Monroe. Way to go Jim O'Brien. Rest Danny Granger the rest of the season (if it isn't too late) and give Josh McRoberts lots of minutes. That ought to do it." - Chad Ford on winning meaningless games

      Way to go Jim, you may have just put our franchise back another 4+ years.

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      • #48
        Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

        Originally posted by Thesterovic View Post
        While I agree with you completely, other people may see it differently. He may be seen as a trade chip to bring in better and more established players. Serviceable shooting guards are a dime a dozen. We have alot of role player shooting guards, and we need a better one. Brandon looks like he won't get too much better than he is now, so we should deal him to a contender and get some expiring contracts, prospects, and picks in return. He'd fit well in Cleveland so lets send him and Murphy there for Mo Williams (I don't know).

        But I wouldn't have a problem if we deal him for a very good player. You've got to give something up to get something.
        I think Brandon is so underrated here. I think he is much more than just a serviceable SG.

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        • #49
          Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

          Originally posted by Thingfish View Post
          I think Brandon is so underrated here. I think he is much more than just a serviceable SG.
          Agreed.
          "I keep wondering the same thing. Last week they had the 4th worst record in the league, had an 11.9 percent chance of winning the lottery and were in line to land a franchise type player like Derrick Favors or DeMarcus Cousins. This week? They have a 1.7 percent chance of winning the lottery, have the 8th worst record and are in line to draft Cole Aldrich or Greg Monroe. Way to go Jim O'Brien. Rest Danny Granger the rest of the season (if it isn't too late) and give Josh McRoberts lots of minutes. That ought to do it." - Chad Ford on winning meaningless games

          Way to go Jim, you may have just put our franchise back another 4+ years.

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          • #50
            Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

            Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
            (and I was a guy happy about the upgrade from Rush to Henderson even)

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            • #51
              Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

              Originally posted by Thingfish View Post
              I think Brandon is so underrated here. I think he is much more than just a serviceable SG.

              It's not what you think that matters, it comes down to what TPTB think. It's not whether you are right as a pro-Rush fan or a anti-Rush fan is right, it really comes down to what TPTB feel is right. I'm not saying that's best or they are right, b/c I can point out what I feel is poor judgement on many of TPTB decisions.

              Maybe TPTB just don't think Rush is strong enough. That he's just too soft for what plans Bird has for the future.

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              • #52
                Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                It's not that he's underrated.

                The issue is. There are more all star type shooting guards than any other position, well you could argue that SF is more common.

                But here's the thing, if you stick with Rush as your SG, instead of getting an all star there, it's going to be much harder to find an all star PF or PG to be the "third" player to go along with Roy and Danny.

                I want Rush to stick around, I like him a lot. And I think teams don't have to be built on all stars, but good players playing good basketball. But if the "Two all star" or all star caliber players is the route JOB and co want to take, then the easiest position to upgrade at is the SG.

                Now, I'd much rather have Rush than Henderson.

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                • #53
                  Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                  Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                  It's not what you think that matters, it comes down to what TPTB think. It's not whether you are right as a pro-Rush fan or a anti-Rush fan is right, it really comes down to what TPTB feel is right. I'm not saying that's best or they are right, b/c I can point out what I feel is poor judgement on many of TPTB decisions.

                  Maybe TPTB just don't think Rush is strong enough. That he's just too soft for what plans Bird has for the future.
                  Again, what's wrong with trading Brandon if you think you're getting equal or greater value back?

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                  • #54
                    Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                    Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post

                    The potential is there...wrong coach to bring it out.

                    That may be true, but if Jimmy is going to be here for the next 18 months how is that going to help Rush? Maybe TPTB decided they don't want to invest another 18 months in Rush, but another player instead for the future. Maybe all they see is a Kareem Rush that can play better "D".

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                    • #55
                      Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                      Larry Brown was salivating at the prospect of having Brandon Rush playing for him in Charlotte. Defense. Defense. Defense.
                      "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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                      • #56
                        Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                        Larry Brown is the JOB of defense. Stubborn to the point of inefficiency.
                        "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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                        • #57
                          Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                          Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                          That may be true, but if Jimmy is going to be here for the next 18 months how is that going to help Rush? Maybe TPTB decided they don't want to invest another 18 months in Rush, but another player instead for the future. Maybe all they see is a Kareem Rush that can play better "D".
                          Where I come from, if the employee is not performing to their potential, then you change the leadership. Basically, they rather invest 18 more months in another player only to watch him fail under JOB's leadership? That don't make sense to me. This team is not going anywhere under JOB...period.


                          Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                          • #58
                            Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                            Originally posted by Thingfish View Post
                            This Rush trade talk has me seriously worried about the competence of our front office and, of course, our coach from what he has said in the past.

                            Brandon is probably the smartest player on the team as well as the best defender by far. Probably our best pure shooter and he plays within the flow of the game not forcing things (aka passive). I am going to be seriously pissed off if they trade him. He is a glue guy that all teams need.

                            AMEN brother...



                            Once Brandon gains that consistancy.. all bets are off..

                            What if we had jumped the gun and traded Reggie at the same point in his career that brandon is at ..??

                            the reason Rush is only averaging 8 pts is consistancy and his passiveness... nothing is stopping him from averaging 14 to 16 per game but himself.. but having good teammates and a coach who runs plays for you certainly helps..lol

                            I just think that we have a definite diamond in the rough, and he will grow into his own to be a very nice piece to a playoff team in the not so distant future..
                            For some reason, Brandon reminds me alot of a player in the mold of Shane Battier

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                            • #59
                              Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                              Originally posted by Thingfish View Post
                              I think Brandon is so underrated here. I think he is much more than just a serviceable SG.
                              I wonder... does anyone think he would prally play better at the 3 spot as danny's backup .. but also sharing some minutes at sg..??

                              something to ponder



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                              • #60
                                Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                                Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                                Again, what's wrong with trading Brandon if you think you're getting equal or greater value back?

                                Why would you want "equal" ?? lol

                                Wouldnt the point be to upgrade from Brandon.??

                                If all there is .. is "equal" value.. no thanks .. I'll keep Rush..
                                "Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

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