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    At this point, I'm thinking we'll try to trade one or two of our players within the next 12 months, then bring in as many solid vets as possible with whatever room we have left next summer.

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    Does solid vets mean Murphy, Dunleavy, TJ Ford?
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    Does solid vets mean Murphy, Dunleavy, TJ Ford?
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    I think that when you look at it, we would be ignorant to make a max offer to anybody with the way our team is constructed.

    I would love to see us grab a couple of players with that money. Doesn't really matter how we get them, so I would look at what players are available first of all, and then who would fit our needs. Then look at the structure of their contract, because the basketball variables should take precedent over the financial ones at this point.

    I mentioned in the other thread that we should make a play at CP3. No matter what, the NO Hornets are always hurting for money. Their salary structure for next year is already over $71M without any draft picks.

    I think Horford could be had in his restricted year if the Hawks resign Joe Johnson. I think we may be able to make a run at Memphis or Minnesota with their situations. They could probably use a solid veteran on a one year deal for a couple of smaller parts because of their draft picks this year putting them over the roster limits.

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    I'd like to see them go after a guy like Nene, or even Michael Petrius for a SG. Those two guys are efficient scorers and pretty good defenders.

    I honestly think the Spurs will sign Parker to an extension, he does not strike me as a guy who is just going to up and leave that franchise, he loves Pop too much.

    Also I agree with Pwee31 that we need to get guys via trade, so you actually need to look at guys who are still under contract for the 2011 season.
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    Does solid vets mean Murphy, Dunleavy, TJ Ford?
    Way cheaper, and as bench vets, yes.

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    Al Horford would be great along side Hibbert. I live in Atlanta and there are talks of Joe Johnson wanting out of Atlanta...no clue if it's true or not. I just don't see the Hawks letting Horford sign elsewhere just like Josh Smith.
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    I like Nene alot. Al Horford is a badass, but by summer 2011 he will be considered a perrenial allstar about to get a huge contract.

    Nene gets paid alot now, but maybe we can get him for a lesser contract as the guy will be getting kind of old.

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    So... based on the responses I guess you guys aren't expecting us to sign Carmelo? I would say its highly unlikely, but if they could offer him a contract instead of three other guys I say do it. It would bring a lot of good attention to the franchise. I know, I'm thinking in pipe dreams.

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    I'd like to see them go after a guy like Nene, or even Michael Petrius for a SG. Those two guys are efficient scorers and pretty good defenders.
    I like both of those guys.

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    I think the Hawks have to choose at some point when it comes to Al Horford, Josh Smith, and Joe Johnson. You can't max out all 3 and they don't deserve it actually. For the Pacers, I think you can look any of those 3 guys as good fits depending on what happens.

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    I think the Hawks have to choose at some point when it comes to Al Horford, Josh Smith, and Joe Johnson. You can't max out all 3 and they don't deserve it actually. For the Pacers, I think you can look any of those 3 guys as good fits depending on what happens.
    Smith is signed through '12/'13.

    The conventional wisdom is that Joe Johnson will leave this summer. It wouldn't surprise me if he got a max offer. He's arguably the 4th best FA in a market where a bunch of teams have money and most of them will be unhappy once the big 3 sign elsewhere.

    You'd have to give Horford a max offer to even get the Hawks to think about not matching. It's an option, but who knows if it's worth it or not.

    You also have to take into account that we're most likely going to draft another PF this year with our pick. That's certainly where most of the talent lies in this draft. If not a PF, then probably a scoring wing.

    All this goes to say is that PF/C is not going to be much of an area of need if Hans/Hibbert develop and we draft someone like Patterson/Cousins/Aminu/Monroe etc.
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    Would Joe Johnson be a guy you trade our 1st round pick for?

    Say we don't land top 3. Would you be willing to have the Hawks sign & trade Joe Johnson for a couple expiring players and our 1st round pick?

    Or perhaps swap first round picks getting the Hawks late 1st rounder?

    Or do you think Joe Johnson is good enough to where you can offer a future first like next year's?

    Not saying it's possible or will happen, but I'm curious if our first round pick isn't a no brainer, at what point and for who would you think about trading it for?

    Or is it off limits judging by how cheap the talent will be for a few years?

    I guess I'm just curious how everyone values our first round pick if it doesn't land a "sure thing"

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    Would Joe Johnson be a guy you trade our 1st round pick for?

    Say we don't land top 3. Would you be willing to have the Hawks sign & trade Joe Johnson for a couple expiring players and our 1st round pick?
    I stopped reading here. Never ever ever ever ever do you do a trade like this. To get a player you trade your future cap space, or a draft pick. Never both.

    You could have drafted a potential star, and then still use the cap space. Never do you give up cap flexibility and your draft pick for 1 guy. Unless he's named Jordan, Lebron, or Kobe.

    Worst use of assets ever. I would cringe if I saw any team do this, let alone the Pacers.

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    I stopped reading here. Never ever ever ever ever do you do a trade like this. To get a player you trade your future cap space, or a draft pick. Never both.

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    So your saying the Knicks did a terrible trade?

    If we did trade 20 million in expiring with a first round pick to land Joe Johnson I would consider that a good trade. I am not saying for a max contract but certianly it would take a lot of money. Also consider that first round pick would be a later pick with Joe J. along side of Danny. Maybe a 19- 22.

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    So your saying the Knicks did a terrible trade?

    If we did trade 20 million in expiring with a first round pick to land Joe Johnson I would consider that a good trade. I am not saying for a max contract but certianly it would take a lot of money. Also consider that first round pick would be a later pick with Joe J. along side of Danny. Maybe a 19- 22.
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    In the new NBA economy I don't know if any player is worth 20 million. We shall see after the lock out.
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    In the new NBA economy I don't know if any player is worth 20 million. We shall see after the lock out.
    Players will be stupid to do a lockout. Teams are in the red and they think they can get away without paycuts? ***** them and their millions. Loads of Americans are taking pay cuts or salary freezes and I can guarantee that we aren't making anywhere close to what they are.

    The whole potential lockout situation just pisses me off. Barkley said it best that the NBA can't go into a lockout in a recession over a few million dollars in salary...they are still making millions. Bunch of knuckleheads.
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    I stopped reading here. Never ever ever ever ever do you do a trade like this. To get a player you trade your future cap space, or a draft pick. Never both.

    You could have drafted a potential star, and then still use the cap space. Never do you give up cap flexibility and your draft pick for 1 guy. Unless he's named Jordan, Lebron, or Kobe.

    Worst use of assets ever. I would cringe if I saw any team do this, let alone the Pacers.

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    I'd disagree, I think it's exactly how you could potentially get an allstar caliber player. The pick depends on where it's at and who you think you'll get there. Is it the Lebron, Wade, Anthony, Bosh draft, well no. Is it most other drafts and your picking 5-9, yes, imho.

    I was going to say it's a no brainer the other way, unless you've got one of these franchise type, almost sure things, that will be there for you.... or if you have the number one pick you don't, but really for the same reason, imo.

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    I would take Baron Davis from the Clippers and would bring a big man who can play D, maybe Horford, Scola, Robin Lopez, Okafor or Tyson Chandler.

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    With the new Cba looming I think a lot of teams will be hard pressed to match any offer we might make on their restricted free agents. Denver would be in a world of hurt if they offered Nene and Carmelo a max contract. Once they sign Melo they may not be able to match anything substantial for Nene.

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    One of the good, young big men (Al Horford, Joakim Noah, or Marc Gasol) and one of the PGs (Brooks or Parker) and our cap-space would be a major success. I don't think it's unrealistic either.
    Why would their teams allow them to even reach free agency before locking them up? Horford, Noah, and probably Gasol will probably all be locked up before then. Same with Aaron Brooks. Parker will be a year older, but maybe the most gettable out of the players you listed.

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    Why would their teams allow them to even reach free agency before locking them up? Horford, Noah, and probably Gasol will probably all be locked up before then. Same with Aaron Brooks. Parker will be a year older, but maybe the most gettable out of the players you listed.
    Do you honestly think Parker will be a FA? He will sign an extension. Dude is only 28-29 in 2011, likes playing for the Spurs and Popovich. I don't see him entering the FA market. The only reason he would is money, because there will only be like 3 legit FA PGs in 2011. Conley, Mo williams, and Parker.

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