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So can we talk about Dunleavy for a bit?

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  • #16
    Re: So can we talk about Dunleavy for a bit?

    Originally posted by Speed View Post
    On a side note:

    I wouldn't be surprised if in 3-5 years we hear how bad things really were during this time and I mean top to bottom.

    Like Management not knowing what the coaches are doing.

    Coaches sending mixed signals.

    Players divided into factions.

    I mean the whole Anthony Johnson culture thing, but from just a disorganized, I am smarter than you sort of environment.

    I am almost of the mind to wish for a complete house cleaning by Simon. This isn't an Obie sucks, post lost game rant. I just get the feeling there is a lot of mismanagement going on here.

    Funny thing, I think Obie is the least of the problem. He just has a different basketball philosophy than upper management and is trying to do the best he can.

    To bring is back to Mike, I think he's part of the problem or at least a symptom of it.
    I'm wondering similar things.

    Bird seems to have the potential to be a very hands off, impersonal manager.

    He may be putting no pressure on Obie (duh, an extension) and the players have nowhere to go to voice their frustrations.

    My theory is that Dunleavy is trying to hold down the "follow the instructions of the coach" school, while most everyone else is pointing out the hypocrisy and tired of the BS.

    The part I really don't understand is all of Dunleavy's stupid turnovers. He never used to do that.
    "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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    • #17
      Re: So can we talk about Dunleavy for a bit?

      To add to all of this, his Dad was just removed as the Clippers coach. Wonder if that just added t his state of mind. I was watching the Pacers on TV, just a couple games ago, and Dun was at the free throw line, preparing to shoot. I remember telling someone else how he looked drawn, and absolutely drained. Some of his current problems may be physical, but he looked mentally exhausted, to me.

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      • #18
        Re: So can we talk about Dunleavy for a bit?

        Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
        it is going to take a year for us to know. He needs an offseason, training camp, and then we'll know
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        • #19
          Re: So can we talk about Dunleavy for a bit?

          Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
          it is going to take a year for us to know. He needs an offseason, training camp, and then we'll know
          I agree completely!
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          • #20
            Re: So can we talk about Dunleavy for a bit?

            He is still out there playing as a way to get back into game shape. it is better to get this game time in now and then have an offseason to refine things. Then to shut it down which would set him back to where he was months ago. The time he is getting now is vital for him to being as good as he can be next season. (part of his problem is that he sat out a year - sitting out two years would only make his comeback that much more difficult)

            I would love to see stats and see how different he plays when he has a day off before a game

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            • #21
              Re: So can we talk about Dunleavy for a bit?

              Like everything else when it comes to JO'B.....he sticks to his gameplan and players whether the boat is sinking or not. I have no problem playing Dunleavy ahead of Luther. When Dunleavy's shot is falling...he works very well within the system and significantly improves it....when he's not.....he's useless due to his inability to properly defend more athletic GFs ( see what Salmons did to him yesterday night ). I'd hope that JO'B recognizes that and pulls him in favor of simply trying something different ( such as playing Head ).....the problem is that he doesn't.

              If anything.....Head suffers from the same problem that plagues McRoberts/Solo....he isn't used as often because JO'B prefers to stick with someone that he prefers to play ( whether he is doing good or bad ).

              To be clear....this isn't a "Dunleavy sucks" response....I think that he is helpful at times and I'm more then willing to give him the minutes to get out of his slump. This is more of a "One of our key players is struggling on the floor and JO'B is doing very little to remedy the situation by pulling him from the floor in favor of someone else that can't possibly do any worse" response.
              Last edited by CableKC; 02-10-2010, 03:56 PM.
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              • #22
                Re: So can we talk about Dunleavy for a bit?

                Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                He is still out there playing as a way to get back into game shape. it is better to get this game time in now and then have an offseason to refine things. Then to shut it down which would set him back to where he was months ago. The time he is getting now is vital for him to being as good as he can be next season. (part of his problem is that he sat out a year - sitting out two years would only make his comeback that much more difficult)

                I would love to see stats and see how different he plays when he has a day off before a game
                Man, I hope you are right.

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                • #23
                  Re: So can we talk about Dunleavy for a bit?

                  Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                  He is still out there playing as a way to get back into game shape. it is better to get this game time in now and then have an offseason to refine things. Then to shut it down which would set him back to where he was months ago. The time he is getting now is vital for him to being as good as he can be next season. (part of his problem is that he sat out a year - sitting out two years would only make his comeback that much more difficult)

                  I would love to see stats and see how different he plays when he has a day off before a game
                  Not much different, actually.

                  With no rest (12 games)
                  9.4 ppg, 36% FG, 27% 3 point, 3.6 rebs, 1.2 assists

                  With 1 day rest (18 games)
                  12.6 ppg, 42% FG, 31% 3 point, 4.1 rebs, 2.1 assists

                  With 2 days rest (6 games)
                  11.8 ppg, 37% FG, 37% 3 point, 4.3 rebs, 1.0 assists

                  With 3 days rest (3 games)
                  8.3 ppg, 45% FG, 16% 3 point, 2.0 rebs, 1.3 assists

                  I don't really see any major swings or evident trends. He shoots better with 1 day rest, than 2. So even though he shoots worse with no rest, it still shoots the idea in the foot that he gets better with more rest.

                  No idea what to make of these numbers, but there they are.

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                  • #24
                    Re: So can we talk about Dunleavy for a bit?

                    Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                    Man, I hope you are right.

                    I think sunshine beams out from the crevices of your arse.
                    I'm not suggesting that Mike is going to be any better next season, only that we won't know until next season if he'll ever get back to where he was. And that this time he is getting now is vital for his recovery if there is going to be one

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                    • #25
                      Re: So can we talk about Dunleavy for a bit?

                      Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                      He is still out there playing as a way to get back into game shape. it is better to get this game time in now and then have an offseason to refine things. Then to shut it down which would set him back to where he was months ago. The time he is getting now is vital for him to being as good as he can be next season. (part of his problem is that he sat out a year - sitting out two years would only make his comeback that much more difficult)

                      I would love to see stats and see how different he plays when he has a day off before a game
                      This guy has played 30-40 games this season, and you still buy this game shape excuse? Its not like he was lounging around on the couch all training camp.
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                      • #26
                        Re: So can we talk about Dunleavy for a bit?

                        Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                        This guy has played 30-40 games this season, and you still buy this game shape excuse? Its not like he was lounging around on the couch all training camp.
                        Perhaps I should not have used the term "game shape" because that is only a fraction of what Mike is trying to get right. he has been unable to do any leg strengthening exercises this season at all, he has been unable to participate in practice when it involves anything with his legs. he is trying to come back from a very serious injury and getting back to the point where he can play NBA basketball again at a high level takes a ton of work.

                        Look at KG he's not been himself this season and his injury is not nearly as serious as Mike's and KG played most of last regular season and KG is a better athlete.

                        Overcoming injuries takes time, getting in NBA condition can take over a year when an injury is involved.

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                        • #27
                          Re: So can we talk about Dunleavy for a bit?

                          I can only imagine how hard it would be to come back and play a sport after 1 year off. I played both soccer and baseball and if I took one year off I know it would take a while to get back into form. Especially at this high a level (NBA). I just think again this is just another reaction to how the season has gone. First it was Granger sucks thread, then JOB, then Murphy, then Ford now its Duns turn. Just saying this is a forum of discussion and normally when things are not going well the forum tends to go toward s the negative and when things are going well then posts and threads turn towards the positive.
                          JOB is a silly man

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                          • #28
                            Re: So can we talk about Dunleavy for a bit?

                            Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                            This guy has played 30-40 games this season, and you still buy this game shape excuse? Its not like he was lounging around on the couch all training camp.
                            I think UB is talking about Dunleavy getting confidence back in the knee... possibly still strengthening/healing the knee... learning how it reacts in various situations now... compensating for new limitations after the surgery... etc...

                            IOW... Dealing with the after-effects of knee surgery (mentally and physically), not simply getting himself back into game shape.
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                            • #29
                              Re: So can we talk about Dunleavy for a bit?

                              Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                              This guy has played 30-40 games this season, and you still buy this game shape excuse? Its not like he was lounging around on the couch all training camp.
                              Dude you just dont like the guy. I get where you are coming from but the guy had a freaking bone spur removed from a crucial ligament and couldnt do crap for a year. Not to mention his history is when he works out he burns it off during the season. He loses like 10-15 pounds during the basketball season. That by itself takes a toll on your body. Just watch next year is his contract year. If I was a fantasy owner I would take a shot on him next year.
                              JOB is a silly man

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                              • #30
                                Re: So can we talk about Dunleavy for a bit?

                                I've come to the point where I just don't really care about the rest of the season. Let Jimmy coach as always, let Jimmy play Murphy & Dunleavy, don't play play Price, don't start Hibbert, etc. It's just going to get the Pacers a better draft pick come June. That's the only silver lining I can see in this dark cloud hanging over the Pacers.

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