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    Around the new year several of us were commenting about how terrible Dun looked, and the response from the board at large was that the guy was still playing himself into game shape and trying to get his conditioning back.

    Well, it's been a month and the dude's no better. If anything, he's worse. Check the game logs:

    http://www.nba.com/playerfile/mike_d...ame_stats.html

    He's not just playing unathletic basketball, he's playing BAD basketball. His fundamentals have abandoned him. His fire is nonexistent. What is the deal? Anybody have a theory?
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    Not wanting to play for the coach. I think the player are finally fed up with Flim and its showing in their play.
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    He sucks, one of the most over paid players in the league. i can't believe anyone would want to resign him after next year. They guy just simply does not have anything left. He doesn't play a lick of defense. He probably is a really smart player, just doesn't have the ability to take advantage of his smarts.

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    His numbers this month actually aren't as bad as I thought... he's shooting 39% from the field, which is (believe it or not) higher than I expected. 2-12 from range doesn't help, though.

    He shot 42% last month, mostly bolstered by 1 good week. Outside of that, his percentages must be abysmal.
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    it is going to take a year for us to know. He needs an offseason, training camp, and then we'll know

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    I'm honestly not sure. If you look at his first handful of game back, he played really well, and didn't seem to miss a beat, then things took a turn for the worse quickly and hasn't gone back.

    I wonder if he's given up on the coach, given up on teammates, or maybe got caught up in trade rumors somewhere and decided to lower his value?

    Regardless, he's been really disappointing, and I hope it changes

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    I have been saying the same thing over on realgm for a while now. Seems like Mike is just not even trying at certain points. He was getting absolutely WORKED by John Salmons last night. Sitting next to a couple of Bulls fans made it even more embarrassing. With Dunleavy's recent criticisms of the team, it seems like he isn't even trying to take responsibility for it.

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    He reminds of a coach who's had enough and has just thrown their hands in the air in disgust.

    I don't like his persona on the floor. I don't like his impatience with other players.

    That's all just subjective stuff, as for on the floor, he's not taking charges, he's being exploited defensively, he's not hitting his shot consistently.

    I guess what I'm getting at is he's not doing the things he's capable of doing well, well. The things he can't do well, he continues to not do well.

    Honestly, I think he's playing like a spoiled brat who's friends aren't playing the way he wants to, so he's pouting.

    I just expect more of him being a captain or a veteran. I'm okay with a guy getting on other players to help them raise their play, but I see the opposite alot of times. I think he is passive aggressive with them. For instance, the inbound to D Jones who was 20 feet away, instead of giving it to TJ who was right there.

    I think he's going through the motions.

    I think he's probably not all the way back physically, but I think it more has to do with his demeanor that's bothering me.

    I've given him a pass because he's came back from injury, but man he doesn't come across like a teammate I'd like to have.

    I know I've just ripped him, but really I've been thinking about this for awhile.

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    On a side note:

    I wouldn't be surprised if in 3-5 years we hear how bad things really were during this time and I mean top to bottom.

    Like Management not knowing what the coaches are doing.

    Coaches sending mixed signals.

    Players divided into factions.

    I mean the whole Anthony Johnson culture thing, but from just a disorganized, I am smarter than you sort of environment.

    I am almost of the mind to wish for a complete house cleaning by Simon. This isn't an Obie sucks, post lost game rant. I just get the feeling there is a lot of mismanagement going on here.

    Funny thing, I think Obie is the least of the problem. He just has a different basketball philosophy than upper management and is trying to do the best he can.

    To bring is back to Mike, I think he's part of the problem or at least a symptom of it.

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    On a side note:

    I wouldn't be surprised if in 3-5 years we hear how bad things really were during this time and I mean top to bottom.

    Like Management not knowing what the coaches are doing.

    Coaches sending mixed signals.

    Players divided into factions.

    I mean the whole Anthony Johnson culture thing, but from just a disorganized, I am smarter than you sort of environment.

    I am almost of the mind to wish for a complete house cleaning by Simon. This isn't an Obie sucks, post lost game rant. I just get the feeling there is a lot of mismanagement going on here.

    Funny thing, I think Obie is the least of the problem. He just has a different basketball philosophy than upper management and is trying to do the best he can.

    To bring is back to Mike, I think he's part of the problem or at least a symptom of it.

    Which is just a longer, more detailed way of saying what I said. The wheels are off.
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    Dun needs to shut it down for the season..... period. He's not helping this team, and if he plans to be a help next year then he needs to shut it down. He looks to have already shut in down on the court now. He was 1-7 in last nights game. If he can't play any better than he has, there is no reason to play him. His lacksidasical apathetic demeanor just ain't cutt'n it.

    I know this will "stir the pot of controversy", but I'd rather trade him than TJ at the present time. He's as worthless as teets on a boar with his pathetic play. Give Head his minutes and put him in a suit behind the bench for the rest of the season. His contributions are minimal at best. Give the minutes to someone who looks and acts like they appreciate wearing a Pacers uni.

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    Dun needs to shut it down for the season..... period. He's not helping this team, and if he plans to be a help next year then he needs to shut it down. He looks to have already shut in down on the court now. He was 1-7 in last nights game. If he can't play any better than he has, there is no reason to play him. His lacksidasical apathetic demeanor just ain't cutt'n it.

    I know this will "stir the pot of controversy", but I'd rather trade him than TJ at the present time. He's as worthless as teets on a boar with his pathetic play. Give Head his minutes and put him in a suit behind the bench for the rest of the season. His contributions are minimal at best. Give the minutes to someone who looks and acts like they appreciate wearing a Pacers uni.
    Sad to say but I actually agree with this. Dunleavy was probably in my top 3 favorite Pacers 2 seasons ago. Now I find myself wishing he would just go sit in a corner somewhere and leave the basketball to the rest of the team.
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    Not wanting to play for the coach. I think the player are finally fed up with Flim and its showing in their play.
    For Dunleavy's own sake, I certainly hope he isn't quitting on the coach who he has had by far the most success under (out of the 5 he's played under). Personally, I don't think he is. He'd be pretty stupid and selfish to do so.
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    Dun needs to shut it down for the season..... period.
    Yeah, a big part of my confusion is that I just don't understand why he's out there. The dude's playing on bad wheels and he's not able to do what he used to be able to do... why not sit him down and start working on next season?
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    On a side note:

    I wouldn't be surprised if in 3-5 years we hear how bad things really were during this time and I mean top to bottom.

    Like Management not knowing what the coaches are doing.

    Coaches sending mixed signals.

    Players divided into factions.

    I mean the whole Anthony Johnson culture thing, but from just a disorganized, I am smarter than you sort of environment.

    I am almost of the mind to wish for a complete house cleaning by Simon. This isn't an Obie sucks, post lost game rant. I just get the feeling there is a lot of mismanagement going on here.

    Funny thing, I think Obie is the least of the problem. He just has a different basketball philosophy than upper management and is trying to do the best he can.

    To bring is back to Mike, I think he's part of the problem or at least a symptom of it.
    I'm wondering similar things.

    Bird seems to have the potential to be a very hands off, impersonal manager.

    He may be putting no pressure on Obie (duh, an extension) and the players have nowhere to go to voice their frustrations.

    My theory is that Dunleavy is trying to hold down the "follow the instructions of the coach" school, while most everyone else is pointing out the hypocrisy and tired of the BS.

    The part I really don't understand is all of Dunleavy's stupid turnovers. He never used to do that.
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    To add to all of this, his Dad was just removed as the Clippers coach. Wonder if that just added t his state of mind. I was watching the Pacers on TV, just a couple games ago, and Dun was at the free throw line, preparing to shoot. I remember telling someone else how he looked drawn, and absolutely drained. Some of his current problems may be physical, but he looked mentally exhausted, to me.

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    He is still out there playing as a way to get back into game shape. it is better to get this game time in now and then have an offseason to refine things. Then to shut it down which would set him back to where he was months ago. The time he is getting now is vital for him to being as good as he can be next season. (part of his problem is that he sat out a year - sitting out two years would only make his comeback that much more difficult)

    I would love to see stats and see how different he plays when he has a day off before a game

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    Like everything else when it comes to JO'B.....he sticks to his gameplan and players whether the boat is sinking or not. I have no problem playing Dunleavy ahead of Luther. When Dunleavy's shot is falling...he works very well within the system and significantly improves it....when he's not.....he's useless due to his inability to properly defend more athletic GFs ( see what Salmons did to him yesterday night ). I'd hope that JO'B recognizes that and pulls him in favor of simply trying something different ( such as playing Head ).....the problem is that he doesn't.

    If anything.....Head suffers from the same problem that plagues McRoberts/Solo....he isn't used as often because JO'B prefers to stick with someone that he prefers to play ( whether he is doing good or bad ).

    To be clear....this isn't a "Dunleavy sucks" response....I think that he is helpful at times and I'm more then willing to give him the minutes to get out of his slump. This is more of a "One of our key players is struggling on the floor and JO'B is doing very little to remedy the situation by pulling him from the floor in favor of someone else that can't possibly do any worse" response.
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    He is still out there playing as a way to get back into game shape. it is better to get this game time in now and then have an offseason to refine things. Then to shut it down which would set him back to where he was months ago. The time he is getting now is vital for him to being as good as he can be next season. (part of his problem is that he sat out a year - sitting out two years would only make his comeback that much more difficult)

    I would love to see stats and see how different he plays when he has a day off before a game
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    He is still out there playing as a way to get back into game shape. it is better to get this game time in now and then have an offseason to refine things. Then to shut it down which would set him back to where he was months ago. The time he is getting now is vital for him to being as good as he can be next season. (part of his problem is that he sat out a year - sitting out two years would only make his comeback that much more difficult)

    I would love to see stats and see how different he plays when he has a day off before a game
    Not much different, actually.

    With no rest (12 games)
    9.4 ppg, 36% FG, 27% 3 point, 3.6 rebs, 1.2 assists

    With 1 day rest (18 games)
    12.6 ppg, 42% FG, 31% 3 point, 4.1 rebs, 2.1 assists

    With 2 days rest (6 games)
    11.8 ppg, 37% FG, 37% 3 point, 4.3 rebs, 1.0 assists

    With 3 days rest (3 games)
    8.3 ppg, 45% FG, 16% 3 point, 2.0 rebs, 1.3 assists

    I don't really see any major swings or evident trends. He shoots better with 1 day rest, than 2. So even though he shoots worse with no rest, it still shoots the idea in the foot that he gets better with more rest.

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    Man, I hope you are right.

    I think sunshine beams out from the crevices of your arse.
    I'm not suggesting that Mike is going to be any better next season, only that we won't know until next season if he'll ever get back to where he was. And that this time he is getting now is vital for his recovery if there is going to be one

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    He is still out there playing as a way to get back into game shape. it is better to get this game time in now and then have an offseason to refine things. Then to shut it down which would set him back to where he was months ago. The time he is getting now is vital for him to being as good as he can be next season. (part of his problem is that he sat out a year - sitting out two years would only make his comeback that much more difficult)

    I would love to see stats and see how different he plays when he has a day off before a game
    This guy has played 30-40 games this season, and you still buy this game shape excuse? Its not like he was lounging around on the couch all training camp.

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