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    Some people on these boards focus way too much on expiring contracts, and don't even bother to look at the actual players. Warrick or Ilyasova would be a good pickup for Indiana at the PF.

    Both those players would be great additions to the Pacers as would Ridnour. I just can't fathom Milwaukee interested in Murphy. How does he fit in with Skiles wanting "D" played?

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    Default Re: not only Cleveland is interested in Murphy, Milwaukee and Sacramento are too/Mike Wells

    I'd say getting some young talent for Murphy is imperative at this point. Next year Dun and TJ and Jeff 's expiring's alone are not going to land you an allstar via trade a, you gonna have to give up some young talent as well. So if you get a Hickson or Casspi, or Brockman, then you gonna be in better position to pull trades next year for some real talent to go along with Granger.

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    Default Re: not only Cleveland is interested in Murphy, Milwaukee and Sacramento are too/Mike Wells

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    sacramento is half a game below us in the standings right now. milwaukee is higher but not entirely safe from the lottery. neither team is giving up their first rounder for murphy, unless it's highly protected.



    warrick would be all right, in a band-aid earl watson sort of way. we sure could use a bit more athleticism.

    i've suggested ilyasova myself, but do the pacers really want a player whose upside is murphy? but then, i guess i wouldn't mind a poor man's murphy who's paid a fraction of what the really murphy is getting. as long as obie doesn't play him 30+ min a game.



    that would be a great idea, if we could find d-league big men who are better than mcbob or solo. and then we'd have to see whether obie would play them.



    no good pg prospects next year other than wall, unfortunately. watson will be gone regardless - we can't afford him next year. unless he strikes out in free agency and is willing to play for the minimum.
    We must be seeing two different Warrick. Warrick would be an athletic upgrade over Solo and McRoberts.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44604oiH5bw

    The season is still young, I'm pretty sure that there are other PG prospects outside of John Wall. Good catch on the Ilyasova 3PT shooting. I didn't know that he was shooting that high of a percentage. With that in mind, I would eliminate him from consideration. Heaven forbid if we give JOB another stretch-4.
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    Some of you want to get rid of Murphy sssooooooooooo bad, that you're willing to cut off your nose despite your face.
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    Default Re: not only Cleveland is interested in Murphy, Milwaukee and Sacramento are too/Mike Wells

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    Both those players would be great additions to the Pacers as would Ridnour. I just can't fathom Milwaukee interested in Murphy. How does he fit in with Skiles wanting "D" played?
    That's a good question. The Bucks would have been the last team that I thought would want Murphy. Especially considering they already have someone who's a younger version of Murphy. Possibly a 3-team trade?

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    We would be thin at the PF spot if we traded away Murphy for peanuts. Hansbrough is still questionable and Foster is out for the season. Some of you want to get rid of Murphy sssooooooooooo bad, that you're willing to cut off your nose despite your face. If we get back a solid, young PF (Solo and McRoberts are alright), then we can draft a PG (and get rid of Watson).
    Look, it's not that I'm anti-acquiring a young PF. By all means, if you can get one, go ahead. My issue is this: I get the impression they'd say no to what might be considered a "good" deal for Murphy just because there's no PF coming back. That would be stupid IMO. That would be the Pacers cutting of THEIR nose to spite THEIR face IMO.

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    Default Re: not only Cleveland is interested in Murphy, Milwaukee and Sacramento are too/Mike Wells

    And hey, Pacers, here's a super-secret tactic to getting a young, talented power forward: Stopping worrying so much about trying to make the playoffs and/or winning more than 30 games, and "magically" you'll have a top pick in a draft FILLED WITH YOUNG TALENTED POWER FORWARDS.

    And hey, maybe, just maybe, you can get something ELSE that's valuable (a young player who is not a PF, or a 1st round pick) by trading Murphy right now.

    Just a thought.

    *edit* If that line of thinking would end up with me in front of a firing squad, then the Pacers are dumber than I thought.

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    Triple posting to rant and use capital letters? I feel like I'm becoming Seth.

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    Look, it's not that I'm anti-acquiring a young PF. By all means, if you can get one, go ahead. My issue is this: I get the impression they'd say no to what might be considered a "good" deal for Murphy just because there's no PF coming back. That would be stupid IMO. That would be the Pacers cutting of THEIR nose to spite THEIR face IMO.
    The best long-term deal is acquiring a player back in return, because that would be one less player to worry about. Giving away a player for free for salary relief when it's tough to acquire top-notch F/A for our small market is being stupid. I would be just as quick to keep Murphy my d*mn self, if I couldn't get back a PF (or even a good backup PG).

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    Bird has said he isn't trading unless it's for someone that the Pacers can go forward with. (Paraphrased)
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    Default Re: not only Cleveland is interested in Murphy, Milwaukee and Sacramento are too/Mike Wells

    I'm glad that we are finally getting some insight into the "many calls" that the Pacers FO has gotten regarding Murphy, but before anyone gets excited......I would really like some clarification on any recent interest in Murphy and whether it is legit on the same level as the Cavs interest in him.

    http://blogs.indystar.com/pacersinsi...goes_from.html

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    My man Brian Windhorst of the Cleveland Plain Dealer is reporting that the Cavaliers and Pacers have made "some progress" in talks about forward Troy Murphy.

    Cleveland isn't the only team that has shown some interest in Murphy. Sacramento and Milwaukee are two of "several" teams that have called about Murphy.
    To me, Wells post is somewhat ambiguous in terms of detail. Did Sacto and Milwaukee just make cursory calls to guage interest? Were these calls made recently and there is still some lingering interest there?

    For example, it wouldn't have surprised me if Sacto did call a month ago since they were in search of a Big Man. They checked to see if they can pry Murphy away for ( probably ) some package surrounding Kenny Thomas ( as an Expiring contract )...found out it was too expensive and decided to go with the New Orleans route of acquiring Hilton Armstrong.

    I know that Wells probably wouldn't be able to provide much details.....but this just tells me that other Teams either ARE interested in Murphy or WERE interested in Murphy ....but for all we know, this could have happened some time ago. What's worst is that Sacto and Milwaukee hung up ( and hasn't called back ) when Murphy asked for WAY TOO MUCH in return.

    I'm really hoping that there is still some "seeds of interest" in Murphy that Bird and Co. can cultivate into a trade during All Star Weekend......but I'm too pessimistic about this season to hope that something realistic could happen.
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    Dear God, please let us get Kevin Martin... pleeeaaasseee!!!1
    I'd even throw Hibbert in there with Murph for him.

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    And how'd that work out for us with Tinsley? Ford?
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    Dear God, please let us get Kevin Martin... pleeeaaasseee!!!1
    I'd even throw Hibbert in there with Murph for him.
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    Look, it's not that I'm anti-acquiring a young PF. By all means, if you can get one, go ahead. My issue is this: I get the impression they'd say no to what might be considered a "good" deal for Murphy just because there's no PF coming back. That would be stupid IMO. That would be the Pacers cutting of THEIR nose to spite THEIR face IMO.
    A good deal would be in the eyes of the beholder. Beyond that sometimes you pass on good deals because it's not good enough.

    For example, we have 4 point guards so we wouldn't want to do just a good deal for a point ithout getting rid of one. It also has to make sense and go along with what we are doing. It would have to be a no brainer for us to deal for a point.

    I can see why they would want a pf for Murphy, but I'm sure they would do a deal if it was the 'right' good deal.

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    I can understand Milwaukee's interest. They're currently a game out of the playoffs and you would have to think Troy would not only push them over the top, but could move them up a few spots (they're two games out of the 6th spot, 4.5 out of 5th). On the other hand, I really don't get why Sacramento would be interested. They have a good, young front court and their playoff hopes died a long time ago.

    So who all is rumored to be interested in Murphy now? Cleveland, Milwaukee, Sacramento... San Antonio? Denver? Either way, if any of these rumors are based in reality then it becomes clear Murphy is a far more attractive player than a lot of people here want to believe. No he's not an all-star, but he's not only very productive, he also brings a unique element to the table with his size and shooting.

    I think we'll end up getting a nice deal for him, much better than some realize.

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    Dear God, please let us get Kevin Martin... pleeeaaasseee!!!1
    I'd even throw Hibbert in there with Murph for him.
    So we can REALLY become a perimeter oriented team? Sorry, no thanks. I like Kevin Martin, but not enough to give up Hibbert.

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    The best long-term deal is acquiring a player back in return, because that would be one less player to worry about. Giving away a player for free for salary relief when it's tough to acquire top-notch F/A for our small market is being stupid.
    Well it's a good thing that's not my argument, then, isn't it? You understand that's not what I'm advocating, right?

    I would be just as quick to keep Murphy my d*mn self, if I couldn't get back a PF (or even a good backup PG).
    I'm not hot to do a pure-salary dump deal, but I wouldn't be hung up on whether or not it's a PF I get back. That would be nice, sure, but not the only thing I would consider taking back (PG, SG, C, pick, whichever).

    Also, while most of us prefer not to do a pure salary dump, keep in mind if we don't trade one of these contracts (Murphy, Ford, Foster, Dunleavy), we will likely be over the luxury tax, and that means not only paying the tax, but losing out on the income you get if you're below the tax.

    I highly think the Pacers will try hard to get out from under that tax. It might take a Murphy dump to do that.

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    And hey, Pacers, here's a super-secret tactic to getting a young, talented power forward: Stopping worrying so much about trying to make the playoffs and/or winning more than 30 games, and "magically" you'll have a top pick in a draft FILLED WITH YOUNG TALENTED POWER FORWARDS.

    And hey, maybe, just maybe, you can get something ELSE that's valuable (a young player who is not a PF, or a 1st round pick) by trading Murphy right now.

    Just a thought.

    *edit* If that line of thinking would end up with me in front of a firing squad, then the Pacers are dumber than I thought.
    Actually you're one of the guys I think could cut it as a gm.

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    So we can REALLY become a perimeter oriented team? Sorry, no thanks. I like Kevin Martin, but not enough to give up Hibbert.
    Who cares if we are perimeter team the rest of the year.

    This is about landing an all star calibre player alongside Danny for the future. We will find some bigs in the offseason.

    Roy has a nice hook shot and can block some shots, but let's be realistic here. He is not Dwight Howard or the 2nd coming of Kareem. He is not in the same teir as Kevin Martin.

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    And how'd that work out for us with Tinsley? Ford?
    Bird said that sometime within the past two months. I looked at for the quote but couldn't find it.

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    Default Re: not only Cleveland is interested in Murphy, Milwaukee and Sacramento are too/Mike Wells

    Can someone with a Twitter account Tweet Wells and have him clarify whether the interest in Murphy is recent and whether there is still some lingering interest in him from Sacto and Milwaukee?
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    Roy and Danny are our two generally untouchables.

    For reasons of talent and also popularity with the fan base.

    They could trade AJ but would just barely get away with it.
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