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If the Cavs really have a chance to land Stoudemire or Iguodala for Z and Hickson then they'd be nuts to consider giving up Hickson for Murphy. When I see Hickson play I see an athletic prospect. He may never reach the level of Iguodala and I can't ever see him becoming the player Stoudemire is. If the Suns trade Stoudemire in this fashion I think that would exceed the lopsided trade of Gasol to the Lakers. I doubt if either trade goes down but one of them does we might want to rethink the value of an expiring contract. Asking for Hickson in the Murphy trade is too much to ask for.
"As the Feb. 18 trade deadline approaches, the Cavaliers and 76ers have been most frequently mentioned as suitors for Phoenix's Amare Stoudemire.
A deal with Cleveland would provide the Suns with a significant amount of salary cap and luxury tax relief. A package centered around young forward J.J. Hickson and center Zydrunas Ilgauskas, who received most of his salary up front this season, could get Phoenix out of luxury tax territory.
Trading with Philadelphia could get the Suns more help right away, perhaps someone like Andre Iguodala, Marreese Speights or even Detroit's Ben Gordon if a third team gets involved."
Recent chatter says the Cavs stay pat at the deadline unless something blows them away... do they need to make that move to take the 'ship?
Chad Ford (1:25 PM)
I don't believe it. I think that's classic posturing at the deadline. Washington and Indiana are asking for A LOT for Jamison and Troy Murphy. I think this is Cleveland's way of saying "If you keep asking for so much, we may not do anything." Problem is, no one believes it. Danny Ferry has been pretty aggressive the past few weeks. They really want to add a stretch four. I think the Cavs will cave and do something. Given Washington's reluctance to trade Jamison, I think Troy Murphy is the most likely candidate.
Nuntius was right. I was wrong. Frank Vogel has retained his job.
"A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."
However in the sense of "seems like it would have happened already", I do kind of agree there.
But let's all recall the "never gonna happen" Harrington deal. The Pacers now are the Hawks then. The Hawks waited and waited and in the end they got plenty, even though Indy was the only team that could make that situation work.
Will, I don't think anyone said ONLY Z. I think what was said was a pick in addition at least. I really think people are reading too much into the Powe or Hickson impact. Not that they can't play, but them not being a Pacer has minimal long term big winning impact. As we know all too well, it's not that tough finding bench role player types.
Maybe one of them is later used to spice up another trade perhaps, but much more than that? Seems unlikely.
Last edited by Naptown_Seth; 02-09-2010 at 03:05 PM.
I'm still hopeful. The Cavs have to finalize in their minds that Jamison is out before they can get serious about Murph.
And, hopefully, the Jamison thing is fading fast.
"I like our group of people," Ainge told USA Today. "I'm trying to teach them about basketball, and they're trying to teach me about analytics."