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Pacers vs. Raptors Postgame

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  • #16
    Re: Pacers vs. Raptors Postgame

    Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
    D Jones is a lot taller than he looks from your TV. He's listed at 6'5 or so, but with shoes he's closer to 6'9". With high heels at the ball, he's a legit 7 footer. He's also our most athletic big, so JOb has that match-up just right. The fact Solo and McBob got no minutes (again) is because they're too inexperienced to go at a player like Bosh.

    Also, we lost this game but our defense did a great job on Bosh. We limited him to 26 points on 60% shooting with 15 boards 7 assists and he only had 2 blocks. The damage would have been much worse with Solo or McBob fouling him and putting him at the line every other play. He probably would have broke 50 tonight.

    As for Troy starting at C, this clearly spread the floor and allowed Rush to go off again. Also, Troy shot 66% from 3 tonight and swept the boards once again. It's a shame they are giving minutes to young players though when they could have TJ and Diener out there. That's the part I don't understand. At least they have Troy in there keeping things together.
    is this supposed to be in green?
    Peck is basically omniscient when it comes to understanding how the minds of Herb Simon and Kevin Pritchard work. I was a fool to ever question him and now feel deep shame for not understanding that this team believes in continuity above talent.

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    • #17
      Re: Pacers vs. Raptors Postgame

      It's rough to be a Pacer fan right now. It's not the losing that's getting to me, it's the fact that we have no direction whatsoever.

      If there's anything worse then being a bad team, it's not realizing you're a bad team.

      Still having playoffs aspirations are fine if you're team is good or playing well. The Pacers haven't been either this season.

      We're not letting our young players go through growing pains, and we're not seeing what we have with our end of the bench guys. We're playing everyone out of position, to the point where we can't even get the players that will be around long term chemistry at the rightful positions.

      I understand testing Granger at PF in certain situations, but he's not a d*** POWER FORWARD! If Granger isn't a PF how the **** in 6'6 Dahntay Jones a power forward?!! You've got to be kidding me.

      Murphy can guard the power forwards in this league, by all means let him guard the bigger and more powerful centers.

      Earl Watson is a shooting guard at times? Nothing like a shooting guard that can't ****ing SHOOT!

      Oh I'm sorry, our 2nd round 6'0 backup PG is the one playing SG.. my mistake douche O'Brien!

      All I want is some sign of hope. Some sense of direction that shows light on the horizon. Most 3 year plans build towards that 3rd and final year, not just magically comes together the at the deadline.

      I really hope Bird has a big plan up his sleeve that I'm unaware of, b/c I simply don't understand the plan

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      • #18
        Re: Pacers vs. Raptors Postgame

        There was a very unusual development in tonight's game.

        Murph had, by far, the lowest +/- at -28 and Hibbert had the highest at +8. But Murph played far more minutes.

        This is extremely puzzling, very unusual. I don't think we've seen anything like this . . .







        . . . except for almost every game this entire season.

        Last edited by McKeyFan; 02-01-2010, 10:06 AM.
        "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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        • #19
          Re: Pacers vs. Raptors Postgame

          Originally posted by pwee31 View Post

          All I want is some sign of hope. Some sense of direction that shows light on the horizon. Most 3 year plans build towards that 3rd and final year, not just magically comes together the at the deadline.

          I really hope Bird has a big plan up his sleeve that I'm unaware of, b/c I simply don't understand the plan
          if we're looking for positives..Roy, Rush and Price have all shown potential..and all tend to have positive impacts on the game..even if they are played out of position, asked to do things they shouldn't be asked to do, and underplayed. (and it's funny how that can be applied to all of them..)

          So there's hope. There's a future..with some, at the least, solid players.

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          • #20
            Re: Pacers vs. Raptors Postgame

            I'm worried about Granger myself. Lately he looks like he got ****ed up worse than home tree.

            It's sad to watch, really.

            -- Steve --

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            • #21
              Re: Pacers vs. Raptors Postgame

              Originally posted by HanSolo View Post
              is this supposed to be in green?
              Shhh! I'm in sell-mode right now and we only have 18 days left until the deadline.

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              • #22
                Re: Pacers vs. Raptors Postgame

                OK guys I am going to play devils advocate here. What line up do yu guys want to see that will work? I am assuming you want McRoberts at the 4 and Price at the point and Hibbert at the 5. Besides that what else do you want. My personal opinion is that this year should just be a do over. I am starting to strongly feel that our top 2 players are playing hurt. We have a rookie point guard and a injured top draft pick and veteran leader. I honestly feel that Phil Jackson couldnt take this team anywhere. I dont want to let JOB off the hook cause I think he hasnt done anything but to me this would be a **** end of the stick to deal with for any NBA coach.
                JOB is a silly man

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                • #23
                  Re: Pacers vs. Raptors Postgame

                  Originally posted by jhondog28 View Post
                  OK guys I am going to play devils advocate here. What line up do yu guys want to see that will work? I am assuming you want McRoberts at the 4 and Price at the point and Hibbert at the 5. Besides that what else do you want. My personal opinion is that this year should just be a do over. I am starting to strongly feel that our top 2 players are playing hurt. We have a rookie point guard and a injured top draft pick and veteran leader. I honestly feel that Phil Jackson couldnt take this team anywhere. I dont want to let JOB off the hook cause I think he hasnt done anything but to me this would be a **** end of the stick to deal with for any NBA coach.
                  Price, Jones, Rush, Granger, Hibbert...A lineup we haven't seen. A lineup of our most talented point guard, best PF, best Center, and best wings. A lineup that has a very good mix of offense and defense. Where the offense spreads the floor with Granger, Price and Rush, can drive with Price and Jones, and has a guy in the Center with Hibbert. A lineup that defensively, very good at the wings, decent at the PG and PF..and therefore can support the center. We haven't seen this lineup because...our freaking coach vaules the 3pt shot too freaking much.

                  For post, some combination of Granger/Hibbert/Solo/Troy and McBob, making sure Troy and Roy never play together. When (if) Tyler gets back, drop which ever post player is playing the worst..or add him to the mix.

                  Dun Head and Watson backing up the frontcourt, maybe putting Granger there at some point too. (I wouldn't mind seeing a Price/Rush/Granger/mcBob/Hibbert lineup for example)

                  We aren't that talanted, but we're better than this. His adjustments and coachiing decisions are awful. And certain players definitely seem to have quit on the coach. There doesn't seem to be a fight there..or pride.

                  I don't know what that group would do *my suggested lineup* but I'm pretty positive it'd be better than what we are getting now.
                  Last edited by Sookie; 01-31-2010, 11:50 PM.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Pacers vs. Raptors Postgame

                    Originally posted by jhondog28 View Post
                    OK guys I am going to play devils advocate here. What line up do yu guys want to see that will work? I am assuming you want McRoberts at the 4 and Price at the point and Hibbert at the 5. Besides that what else do you want. My personal opinion is that this year should just be a do over. I am starting to strongly feel that our top 2 players are playing hurt. We have a rookie point guard and a injured top draft pick and veteran leader. I honestly feel that Phil Jackson couldnt take this team anywhere. I dont want to let JOB off the hook cause I think he hasnt done anything but to me this would be a **** end of the stick to deal with for any NBA coach.
                    If Tyler was healthy

                    Price
                    Rush
                    Granger
                    Hansbrough
                    Hibbert

                    That would be my starting lineup the rest of the year

                    I think before the deadline you have to get value out of Murphy though so i say start.

                    Price
                    Rush
                    Granger
                    Murphy
                    Hibbert

                    I know Murphy and Hibbert haven't played well together, but you have to play Roy to allow him to grow, and if you plan on trading Murphy, I think you have to play him

                    I think the key lies in the subs though, you can't bring Dahntay in for Murphy. You need to see Solo or McRoberts, and I think Solo should be in for Hibbert at the center spot.

                    You really miss a healthy Foster this year to play some minutes at the center postion, but it may also be a blessing in disguise, b/c there's no doubt in my mind Hibbert wouldn't have gotten close to the minutes he has gotten if J'Ob had a healthy Foster at his disposable

                    Though our roster needs a good deal of tweaking when it comes to our big contracts, I think any move made is lateral with O'Brien as coach... he just doesn't get it

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                    • #25
                      Re: Pacers vs. Raptors Postgame

                      Originally posted by jhondog28 View Post
                      OK guys I am going to play devils advocate here. What line up do yu guys want to see that will work?
                      If the coach is going to yell:
                      "Push Push Push" or "Attack Attack Attack" and demand quick shots and lots of 3's.... then there is no lineup on this team that I'd recommend.

                      Bad basketball and bad coaching go hand in hand. It's hard to find a player to overcome bad coaching... let alone a team of players to overcome it. Worse, the team can't progress or be properly evaluated while playing for a bad coach. I'm surprised the team tried for as long as they did for him all things considered. But there was clearly no method to the madness of his first two season. Just bad basketball...
                      Last edited by Bball; 02-01-2010, 12:00 AM.
                      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                      -John Wooden

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                      • #26
                        Re: Pacers vs. Raptors Postgame

                        Not a bad game I watched tonight...oh wait, I didn't watch it.

                        The Pacers actually got to the line tonight and limited turnovers. Rush has been playing much better on the offensive side, but he's going to have to keep it up longer than 5 games for me to say he's improving.

                        I really never thought I'd say this, but good lord, do I hate the 3-pt shot.

                        This team should be playing the "future" guys together and start building team chemistry. Why the hell isn't this happening? The coach knows that the playoffs are not happening, so why does he keep playing to win games. Losing sucks, but you have to start playing the guys that are the future together in the same lineup.

                        Just boggles the mind with what Larry and JOB are trying to do with the team.
                        First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Pacers vs. Raptors Postgame

                          Conspiracy theory: It has been relayed to Obie from TPTB that we are in tank mode. The challenge? Make it seem as if we aren't tanking. You take the fall with the media, explain to them your asinine moves and curious substitution patterns, and we will reward you by letting you come back to coach us next season.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Pacers vs. Raptors Postgame

                            Originally posted by Sparhawk View Post
                            Not a bad game I watched tonight...oh wait, I didn't watch it.

                            The Pacers actually got to the line tonight and limited turnovers. Rush has been playing much better on the offensive side, but he's going to have to keep it up longer than 5 games for me to say he's improving.

                            I really never thought I'd say this, but good lord, do I hate the 3-pt shot.

                            This team should be playing the "future" guys together and start building team chemistry. Why the hell isn't this happening? The coach knows that the playoffs are not happening, so why does he keep playing to win games. Losing sucks, but you have to start playing the guys that are the future together in the same lineup.

                            Just boggles the mind with what Larry and JOB are trying to do with the team.
                            Maybe they are tanking.

                            I mean really, at this point..that's the only explanation for putting our shooting guard at the power forward position.

                            Whatever you think of McBob..he's a better option at the 4 than Dahntay.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Pacers vs. Raptors Postgame

                              Originally posted by Sookie View Post
                              Maybe they are tanking.

                              I mean really, at this point..that's the only explanation for putting our shooting guard at the power forward position.

                              Whatever you think of McBob..he's a better option at the 4 than Dahntay.

                              With Tyler and Jeff out you think McRoberts would get back up power forward minutes 15-20 minutes maybe. He was getting that at the end of Dec and the beginning of Jan. Now his minutes are falling off again with a DNP tonight. When he plays he gives a tone of energy and he has a descent offensive game (He can jump out of the gym). He should be getting some minutes come the fans love him.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Pacers vs. Raptors Postgame

                                Originally posted by GO!!!!! View Post
                                every team must just want to play us now, we are playing worse then Clips and Griz... that's embarassing...

                                I wish the Pacers were playing the level of Memphis, and had their players! I said last year and the beginning of this year when Memphis wasn't playing well I really liked their team. They have Tinsley and 3 rookies as their bench. Next year they need to improve their bench for a nice playoff push.
                                Last edited by Justin Tyme; 02-01-2010, 06:38 AM.

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