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    http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade...radeid=5399966


    Change in Team Outlook: +3.1 ppg, -8.9 rpg, and -0.5 apg.

    Incoming Players
    Kevin Martin
    6-7 SG from Western Carolina
    25.2 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.7 apg in 38.1 minutes
    Sean May
    6-9 PF from North Carolina
    3.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.6 apg in 10.9 minutes
    Outgoing Players
    Troy Murphy
    6-11 PF from Notre Dame
    14.1 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 2.0 apg in 31.4 minutes
    Roy Hibbert
    7-2 C from Georgetown
    11.0 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 1.8 apg in 23.5 minutes
    Stanko Barac
    0-0 from
    No games yet played in 2009-2010


    With the trade talk about Martin going on, I would love to see him be a Pacer.

    Sean May is the throw in to make it work. Add in someone else that makes 1 mil or so. Stanco is the sweetener they won't be able to refuse
    They do this cause Hibbert is a stud and Murph might be good in their system... at least I'm sure they like him more than I do, plus he saves them alot of dough as he comes off the books next year and Martin is tied into a longer deal. I suppose we could add Rush instead of Stanko if we had to, but I'd wanna keep one of Hibbert or Rush. Hibbert to me seems like he would be highly coveted around the league, as Rush is meh..
    Last edited by PaceBalls; 01-22-2010, 06:51 PM.

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    the pacers would get killed on this deal, especially if they add rush instead of stanky

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    • #3
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      why would we ever trade our 2nd year, true center who has grown leaps and bounds from his 1st to 2nd year for a smaller danny granger who plays less D

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        It's amazing how some of you guys overvalue our players. Like Roy is the next Kareem Abdul Jabar or something. I guess it's just typical homerism. It's probably been that way since the first Athens olympics.

        KMartin is the closest thing to Reggie Miller the NBA has. He could be that guy Danny needs to complete our 2 star tandem. I would not want to give up Rush either, I really do like the kid. He would be the perfect back up for Martin. I like Roy too, but you gotta give up talent to get talent, and sorry but Keven Martin is a badass... more so than Hibbert.

        After our "3 year plan" is complete, what free agents could we possibly get that would be anywhere near the quality of Kevin Martin?

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        • #5
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          free agents will come for the money - they don`t care where it comes from! Hibbert is going to be a quality player-- to include in a trade would not be wise

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            I'd say no way. I understand we need to give talent to get talent, but bigs with Roy's skill set are hard to find. I'd much rather toss in Rush instead of Roy.

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              We need to cut salary and get better defensively. This does the exact opposite of that. Martin is frail and plays a "reckless" game where he gets beat up. He takes a beating and gets injured a lot. I do like the dimension that he brings of taking the ball to the hole and getting to the free throw line where he converts at a high percentage. I just would NOT give up Hibbert and the Pacers have said he is not available in a trade. I wouldn't give up Rush either. Martin is better than Rush, but I think Rush brings more to the defensive end of the floor and his offensive game is coming around (slowly but surely IMO). Rush is cheaper now and will be cheaper to re-sign as a primarily defensive player. I like Martin, but just not enough to give up a lot for him. Plus I don't think they would value Troy highly, due to him not being a great fit in that front court.
              "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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                Pacergod..
                It's not like Roy and Troy are going to be voted to the all defensive team anytime soon. I think Roy can be good defensively as a shotblocker with the right players around him to cover up for his slowness. But, I dare say we would be a better defensive team just by Troy and Roy not playing.

                Sac may not view Troy very high, but he definately could be useful, plus he has the huge expiring next season. The reason they would do this is maybe they value Hibbert, plus the incentive of saving money.

                Roy does have good upside, that is why teams might show interest. I do like him, but I just don't think he is all that. He might be someday... but it is not a sure thing. KMartin is a sure thing. I looked through some of the trades on here, and most of them are TJ + Murph for some good player... that aint gonna happen. I thought this was maybe more reasonable. (Sac probably wouldn't do it anyway)

                We need to save money so we can spend it on the amazing free agent class of 2011... ZBO comes home YAY!
                Last edited by PaceBalls; 01-23-2010, 11:55 AM.

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                  Originally posted by Thingfish View Post
                  Pacergod..
                  It's not like Roy and Troy are going to be voted to the all defensive team anytime soon. I think Roy can be good defensively as a shotblocker with the right players around him to cover up for his slowness. But, I dare say we would be a better defensive team just by Troy and Roy not playing.

                  Sac may not view Troy very high, but he definately could be useful, plus he has the huge expiring next season. The reason they would do this is maybe they value Hibbert, plus the incentive of saving money.

                  Roy does have good upside, that is why teams might show interest. I do like him, but I just don't think he is all that. He might be someday... but it is not a sure thing. KMartin is a sure thing. I looked through some of the trades on here, and most of them are TJ + Murph for some good player... that aint gonna happen. I thought this was maybe more reasonable. (Sac probably wouldn't do it anyway)

                  We need to save money so we can spend it on the amazing free agent class of 2011... ZBO comes home YAY!
                  You are way off in your assessment here.

                  you claim Martin is the closest thing to Reggie Miller in the league, and that is just an insult to even mention his name in the same sentence.

                  All Kevin Martin (Kenyon Martin is KMart) is guaranteed to do is shoot a lot and miss at least 20 games every year. There is a reason everyone thinks he will get traded, because he's taking shots away from the ROY Tyreke Evans.

                  You must have no idea how important it is to have a true center with skills in the NBA. They're a rare commodity. Roy's potential is through the roof and big men take longer to develop than guards. If Roy has improved so much over one season why are we so eager to ship him off for some overrated talent. The thing that Pisses me off about PD so much is that everybody panics after every single game, and they have no patience, and this is just an example.

                  Lastly, let's say that we make this trade. We now have a combination of Solo and the Messiah Mcroberts playing center, and that pudge Sean May.

                  great trade idea

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                    Originally posted by IUfan4life View Post
                    You are way off in your assessment here.

                    you claim Martin is the closest thing to Reggie Miller in the league, and that is just an insult to even mention his name in the same sentence.

                    All Kevin Martin (Kenyon Martin is KMart) is guaranteed to do is shoot a lot and miss at least 20 games every year. There is a reason everyone thinks he will get traded, because he's taking shots away from the ROY Tyreke Evans.

                    You must have no idea how important it is to have a true center with skills in the NBA. They're a rare commodity. Roy's potential is through the roof and big men take longer to develop than guards. If Roy has improved so much over one season why are we so eager to ship him off for some overrated talent. The thing that Pisses me off about PD so much is that everybody panics after every single game, and they have no patience, and this is just an example.

                    Lastly, let's say that we make this trade. We now have a combination of Solo and the Messiah Mcroberts playing center, and that pudge Sean May.

                    great trade idea
                    I'm not trying to **** you off man... and I certainly don't represent PD in some generalized way as you infer. I think you fans are seriously overrating Hibbert and are total homers. How ya like that?

                    Thing is I really like Hibbert! I think he can be a great player. Don't put words in my mouth because I have a makebelieve trade.

                    Anyway, whatever... I'm not Larry Bird and you don't have to sweat it.

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                      This would just completely strip the Pacers roster of any big guys. And I guess I still don't see many good things on Sacto's side of it either.

                      It really doesn't do much for the Pacers financially either.

                      And first, thingfish says Hibbert is a stud and then says you fans are seriously overrating Hibbert. Which is it ??

                      In closing - the longer we can keep ZBO out of Indiana, the safer we'll all be.

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                        Well, he is a stud. But if you can turn him into Kevin Martin you do it. He isn't that much of a stud, that is where the serious overrating is.

                        And we would only be kinda thin for one season. Maybe May can play? I don't know what's going on with him, I just threw him in as filler cause he has 1 year at 1mill according to hoopshype. We do have Tyler, Solo, Jeff(?) and McBob we can play. I am totally fine with that. Were we competing for anything other than a draft pick this year anyway? We can give the young guys some play and go small when we have to. In offseason we can shore up the front court through the draft.

                        We would have Granger locked up till 2014 and Martin locked up till 2013. That is something very solid you can build around.

                        I really do like Roy and there aren't too many situations I would want to trade him, but this is one that I would.
                        Last edited by PaceBalls; 01-23-2010, 04:33 PM.

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                          Originally posted by Thingfish View Post
                          Well, he is a stud. But if you can turn him into Kevin Martin you do it.
                          No, you don't. We already have a bombs away guy - Granger. And there's the old unwritten NBA trade rule - don't trade a big for a small.

                          Originally posted by Thingfish View Post
                          Maybe May can play?
                          Apparently - he can't. If he could, he'd be getting time in Sacto.

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                          • #14
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                            Come on guys.. Kevin Martin is one of the best SGs in the league...
                            Are you sure you aren't overvaluing Roy here?

                            Yea the old saying, never trade a big for a small... but we are talking about Roy Hibbert for Kevin Martin here. Not Dwight Howard for Kevin Martin.

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                              Originally posted by Thingfish View Post
                              It's amazing how some of you guys overvalue our players. Like Roy is the next Kareem Abdul Jabar or something. I guess it's just typical homerism. It's probably been that way since the first Athens olympics.

                              KMartin is the closest thing to Reggie Miller the NBA has. He could be that guy Danny needs to complete our 2 star tandem. I would not want to give up Rush either, I really do like the kid. He would be the perfect back up for Martin. I like Roy too, but you gotta give up talent to get talent, and sorry but Keven Martin is a badass... more so than Hibbert.

                              After our "3 year plan" is complete, what free agents could we possibly get that would be anywhere near the quality of Kevin Martin?
                              the only person to make that claim has been ron artest...surely you dont want to be tossed in the same wagon as him
                              yes, kevin martin is definitely one of the best sg in the leagues, but hes also one of the most injury prone
                              someone with great talent is pretty useless for us if theyre only going to play half a season. dunleavy can tell you that too.
                              as for the trade, you have to ask yourself whether or not you think kevin martin is the answer to our problems? i personally say no :/ he is great, but imo indy should be looking for a 4.
                              Peck is basically omniscient when it comes to understanding how the minds of Herb Simon and Kevin Pritchard work. I was a fool to ever question him and now feel deep shame for not understanding that this team believes in continuity above talent.

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