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  • Do you think Management is forcing Obie to play Tyler?

    Let me start this off by saying this is in no way an attempt to bash Tyler but more so to get an understanding of why


    I know we all have talked about Jim O'brien's notoriously inconsistent playing rotation. I think we can all agree that he has experimented more than a mad scientist. Last night , again, he went with a new starting line up that was not due to injury.

    Why did Tyler start?

    I have a real problem with this. I would like to know what Tyler has done to earna starting spot, if even for one game, but more importantly what has he done to earn consistent playing time?

    What is he giving us that Mc Bob can't? I guarantee you if Mc Bob got the same playing time as Tyler, then his stats would be equal to if not greater than Tyler. Tyler says he is not concerned with his shooting? huh? Well I am. His shoting is atrocious and while it "might come around" that remains to be seen.

    Mc Bob, on the other hand does not shot everytime he touches the ball. Is a better rebounder and does not get stuffed under the rim.

    I thought playing time was EARNED, and I dont feel like Tyler has earned the right to receive more playing time than Mc Bob.

    Again this is not a "bash Tyler thread" but really about what does Obie see in him? Please dont say the tired out "hustle and energy". Mc Bob, Hibbert, and D Jones, all bring the same "hustle and energy"

    So the question is : Do you think that Pacer front office or Bird is pushing Obie to play Tyler? I am sure Birds ego is desperatley trying to make Tyler into a star so he looks like a draft genius.

    I just struggle to find a solid reason why Tyler has earned playing time over Mc Bob


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    Re: Do you think Management is forcing Obie to play Tyler?

    yes i think Bird has a big word in Tyler playing so much and starting, seeing as how JOB just said he doesn't like starting rooks he would rather go with vets. he said that in the interview before the Toronto game when asked about AJ starting.

    http://my.nba.com/cms/107168/price_g..._to_talk_about


    after reading again, maybe he meant having a vet start at the point.

    but still i think Bird is pushing for Tyler.
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      Re: Do you think Management is forcing Obie to play Tyler?

      pretty sure tyler is in here for our long term goal.
      is mcbob? maybe, maybe not.
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        Re: Do you think Management is forcing Obie to play Tyler?

        I dont think management is pushing JOB to play anyone. We have a $8.5 million PG sitting at the end of the bench. If management wanted to force JOB to play someone it would be Ford to get his stock him and ship him out of Indy. To me it seems that JOB is playing the young guys more now (Price, Hibbert, and Hansbrough).

        Hansbrough does play hard though. He gets out there and puts his body to the ropes, as does McBOB. I honestly dont know why JOB has benched McRoberts but then again I dont understand why JOB does about 75% of the things he does
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          Re: Do you think Management is forcing Obie to play Tyler?

          Tyler was likely going to be the 1st big off the bench. When Jim decided at the last hour to pull Roy (for matchups), Tyler was next in line and (in theory) a better matchup than Roy.

          I don't read much into it.

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            Re: Do you think Management is forcing Obie to play Tyler?

            Originally posted by MillerTime View Post
            I dont think management is pushing JOB to play anyone. We have a $8.5 million PG sitting at the end of the bench. If management wanted to force JOB to play someone it would be Ford to get his stock him and ship him out of Indy. To me it seems that JOB is playing the young guys more now (Price, Hibbert, and Hansbrough).

            Hansbrough does play hard though. He gets out there and puts his body to the ropes, as does McBOB. I honestly dont know why JOB has benched McRoberts but then again I dont understand why JOB does about 75% of the things he does
            Everyone in the NBA knows about TJ Ford. He's a veteran and has recently played and started. He's played enough to diminish concerns about his health. If anything, sitting him will allow his legend to grow and maybe get a nibble that way.

            You play rooks and young guys (and vets coming off injuries) to showcase them. You don't need to showcase players that have been starting and playing... If you decide they are a poor fit for your team then you can just bench them and tell prospective teams they were a poor fit for your offense/defense.
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              Re: Do you think Management is forcing Obie to play Tyler?

              I think Tyler started the game because he is the best defensive PF in the team and JOB was trying to "match up with the other team"
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                Re: Do you think Management is forcing Obie to play Tyler?

                I think of all the young players that maybe just maybe managment might be having to persuade O'Brien to play - Tyler is not one of them. Roy, maybe, Rush maybe, Price maybe, but not Tyler.

                Jim has played Tyler as many minutes as the doctors and Tyler's health will allow.

                Comparing Tyler and Josh is an insult to Tyler. Tyler does everything better - Only thing where maybe they are equal or Josh is better is passing.

                And no, McBob, Roy and D.Jones do not bring the same hustle and energy. How many times do they knock down opposing players, how many times do they get under the skin of the opposing players. Tyler has a real skill of effort and playing hard every second, he is physical, aggressive - opponents are growing to dislike him and they have slowly started complaining about Tyler to the media.

                McBob would probably not make the roster of 20-25 NBA teams IMO. Tyler would make every NBA team roster and would be if healthy in probably 26 or 27 of regular rotations.

                IMO if Tyler has not had the shin injury (therefore not missed training camp and preseason) and then not had the ear infection (just when he was starting to play really well) he would be averaging around 30 minutes a game for the Pacers.

                Compare Tyler to someone else besides Josh because that is an unfair comparison. Sort of like comparing Tyler to Dirk
                Last edited by Unclebuck; 01-14-2010, 12:32 PM.

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                  Re: Do you think Management is forcing Obie to play Tyler?

                  I don't have a lot of time but I will fire off a few brief thoughts here.

                  There is the possibilty that Bird has said that he would like Tyler to get as many min. as possible without dictating playing time. But I doubt it is dictated.

                  Tyler is just a better player than McRoberts, that is not a slap at McBob btw as I think he is getting the shaft here as well. But while they both have similar games they are physically very differant.

                  Tyler is a brute. Players hit the floor when they play vs. him and that is something that we haven't had on this team since..... well we all know who I'm talking about so there is no need to mention Dale Davis by name.

                  He is a scorer a far far far better than advertised rebounder and defender.

                  He is a good solid passer and up until recently had become somewhat reliable as a mid range shooter.

                  However Josh is a high flyer and can defend the rim, a skill that JOB just obviously does not place at a high value. Josh is also a supreme passer, I mean that the guy drops dimes like he grew up watching Mark Jackson.

                  Since pre-season he has added a little to the offensive arsenal and while his dunks were out of this world to watch I want to point out that not only were they entertaining he set those up. What I mean by that is he saw the back door was availble, found the seam and called the play.

                  What I'm saying is both should be seeing time on the floor. Tyler more so but Josh needs to be in there as well. If your asking me who should set so that they have a chance it wouldn't take long for you to guess who I would say.


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                    Re: Do you think Management is forcing Obie to play Tyler?

                    Originally posted by HanSolo View Post
                    pretty sure tyler is in here for our long term goal.
                    is mcbob? maybe, maybe not.


                    Good point, but then why sign Josh to a 2 year guaranteed deal?
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                      Re: Do you think Management is forcing Obie to play Tyler?

                      Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                      Tyler was likely going to be the 1st big off the bench. When Jim decided at the last hour to pull Roy (for matchups), Tyler was next in line and (in theory) a better matchup than Roy.

                      I don't read much into it.
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                      I understand that, but what has Tyler done to earn consistent playing time? Is he that much more productive than McBob? I know his starting last night was an aberation, but his consistent playing time is not

                      Do you think he has earned time?
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                        Re: Do you think Management is forcing Obie to play Tyler?

                        As for Hansbrough starting yesterday night?

                        I'm guessing that the reason why Hansbrough started at center yesterday was because of matchup concerns with Stat and Frye. If Foster was available to play yesterday...I wouldn't have been surprised if Foster was in to Start against Stat
                        ....with Murphy guarding Frye. But since it's been made clear that JO'B would prefer not to matchup unathletic Big Men ( like Hibbert and Murphy ) against more Atheletic and mobile Big Men ( like Stat and Bosh..in the past ) and Foster wasn't available....JO'B decided to go with the closest thing to Foster that we have now....Hansbrough. IMHO...on the spectrum of Big Men that we have....Hansbrough is inbetween the type of Players that Foster and Murphy are.....energy/hustle Big Man that can rebound/"mix it up inside" and can score....basically a similar type of Player to Foster but one that is a better scorer.

                        As to why Hansbrough has been getting a lot of "burn" under JO'B?

                        At the start of the season....I suspect it's a combination of Bird / FO pushing him to give him more minutes cuz they feel he needs to develop as soon as possible with JO'Bs preference to have as many Offensive scoring options on the floor. In order of preference, I'd suspect that if JO'B had to rank his Big Men in order of who he'd put on the floor....it'd be Murphy, Foster ( being a different case cuz he's a veteran ), Hibbert, Hansbrough, Solo then McRoberts. The reason Hansbrough plays ahead of Solo or McRoberts is cuz he clearly is a much better scorer....whereas Foster plays ahead of Hansbrough due to JO'Bs preference to have a solid veteran presense on the floor ( along with his defense, of course ). I'd guess that JO'B was really impressed by Hansbrough's scoring in the Summer League and ( likely with some prodding by the FO ) decided to give him some minutes to see how he would fit. Fortunately, Hansbrough was able to step up and show that he can be helpful on both ends of the floor. But I'd suspect that once Foster comes back from injury, that Hansbrough's minutes will be reduced where he would be the 4th or maybe even the 5th ( depending on Granger playing some backup PF minutes ) Big Man in the PF/C rotation.
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                          Re: Do you think Management is forcing Obie to play Tyler?

                          McRoberts is the more polished player compared to Hansbrough at this point. They both bring unique skills to the court. O'B (and more likely Bird) values Tyler getting to the line and bringing highly physical play more than having a player who facilitates offensive flow and provides better overall defense without dominating the ball and being a black hole.

                          McRoberts needs to be traded to just about any other team in the league who values basketball IQ, hustle, and hops and has a coach who teaches fundamentals. He is truly wasted here, and it is a shame.

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                            Re: Do you think Management is forcing Obie to play Tyler?

                            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                            I think Tyler started the game because he is the best defensive PF in the team and JOB was trying to "match up with the other team"
                            If that is the case, then why did he only play 10 minutes. had 3 pts on 1-5 shooting, and didnt play the entire second half
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                              Re: Do you think Management is forcing Obie to play Tyler?

                              Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                              I think of all the young players that maybe just maybe managment might be having to persuade O'Brien to play - Tyler is not one of them. Roy, maybe, Rush maybe, Price maybe, but not Tyler.

                              Jim has played Tyler as many minutes as the doctors and Tyler's health will allow.

                              Comparing Tyler and Josh is an insult to Tyler. Tyler does everything better -




                              Only thing where maybe they are equal or Josh is better is passing.

                              And no, McBob, Roy and D.Jones do not bring the same hustle and energy.

                              I respectfuly disagree here. I think D Jones brings as much hustle as anyone on the team

                              How many times do they knock down opposing players, how many times do they get under the skin of the opposing players.




                              Tyler has a real skill of effort and playing hard every second, he is physical, aggressive



                              - opponents are growing to dislike him and they have slowly started complaining about Tyler to the media.

                              McBob would probably not make the roster of 20-25 NBA teams IMO. Tyler would make every NBA team roster and would be if healthy in probably 26 or 27 of regular rotations.

                              IMO if Tyler has not had the shin injury (therefore not missed training camp and preseason) and then not had the ear infection (just when he was starting to play really well) he would be averaging around 30 minutes a game for the Pacers.

                              Compare Tyler to someone else besides Josh because that is an unfair comparison. Sort of like comparing Tyler to Dirk


                              True, but this is because he plays like a football player on a basketball court.

                              Buck, Ia am sorry my friend but that is pure spoeculation. What or how could you back that up?


                              If he has a"skill set" why does he constantly get his shot blocked, and is shooting such a putrid percentage?
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