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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

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Author's Name
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The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

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Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

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We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

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Thorpes Rookie Rankings...

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  • Thorpes Rookie Rankings...

    ...can anyone with insider post this? I feel an A.J. Price mention coming in his "hidden gems" section.

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insid...Rookies-100113

    Thanks
    Roy Hibbert.... It's the POWER!!!

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    Re: Thorpes Rookie Rankings...

    Giving myself the assist...
    Roy Hibbert.... It's the POWER!!!

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      Re: Thorpes Rookie Rankings...

      I know someone does...do not hide from us gypsy
      :
      Roy Hibbert.... It's the POWER!!!

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        Re: Thorpes Rookie Rankings...

        Didn't say anything about AJ Price, I was surprised, especially since he was in the main photo with Maynor.

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          Re: Thorpes Rookie Rankings...

          consolation prize

          from Hoopsworld's Joel Brigham
          http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=14964

          Looking Good

          A.J. Price, Indiana Pacers – No rookie saw a bigger jump this week than Indiana point guard A.J. Price, who is currently receiving the benefits of T.J. Ford's benching by Pacers coach Jim O'Brien. Price isn't starting games, but he's seen a big bump in minutes as a result. He's played over 20 minutes a game in four of the last five contests after not having played 20 minutes at all previously this season. In his last three games, he's averaging 16.3 points and 4 assists—much higher than his season averages of 6.6ppg and 1.7apg.

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            Rookie Watch: Class secrets
            By David Thorpe
            Originally Published: January 13, 2010
            Talent alone is not enough to guarantee playing time for a rookie. Opportunity counts just as much. Thus, some rookies start the season mostly riding pine, and others lose a spot in the rotation because another teammate is playing better. Does this mean that these rooks are not going to be impact players down the road? Of course not.

            Let's play a game and you'll see what I mean.

            MATCH THE PLAYER WITH HIS ROOKIE STATS:
            (1) Dirk Nowitzki (a) 7.6 ppg on 43.8 percent shooting
            (2) Steve Nash (b) 8.2 ppg, 40.5 percent from the field, 20.6 from 3
            (3) Joe Johnson (c) 3.3 ppg, 42.3 percent from the field, 2.1 apg
            (4) Manu Ginobili (d) 7.5 ppg, 43 percent from field, 29 percent from 3
            * Answer key below

            All four of these players have obviously had much success in their NBA careers. But who would have predicted major success for any of them during their rookie seasons?

            With that in mind, let's take a look at some of the rookies who are under the radar right now but still finding ways to make an impact on their teams. Will any of them achieve what those four All-Stars above have? Probably not. Will some of them end up being far better players than what we saw from them in November and December? Without a doubt.

            Eric Maynor, Thunder
            | Rookie card
            Traded from Utah on Dec. 22, Maynor looks to be a valuable part of OKC's rotation. He has played solid minutes in every game since the trade and has been very reliable with the ball every time out. How reliable? He hasn't committed more than one turnover in any game save one. And he didn't commit any turnovers in four of those games. I cannot think of a better way to get in the good graces of his new coach than by playing error-free basketball.

            Sam Young, Grizzlies | Rookie card
            A big part of the Grizzlies' recent surge, Young has been getting consistent minutes and has put up 22 points twice in January. He has shown an ability to get to the rim -- 11 percent of his buckets come off dunks.

            I also like the energy he brings on defense. He's averaging almost a steal a game in January and causing all sorts of chaos on that end.

            Dante Cunningham, Blazers | Rookie card
            He appeared in just nine games through November, playing less than seven minutes in five of those games. But with the injuries in Portland, he earned a chance to play a lot more and has answered the bell.

            Since Dec. 30, he has played 23 or more minutes three times and is averaging 7 ppg. His seven points and five rebounds in 17 minutes helped the Blazers beat the Lakers on Friday.

            Jon Brockman, Kings | Rookie card
            Overshadowed by fellow rookie teammates Tyreke Evans and Omri Casspi, "The Brock Ness Monster" (easily my favorite nickname of the class) has a few things working against him. Most notably, he is too short and stubby (short arms) for an NBA power forward.

            However, in a lesson I learned long ago, when players find a way to produce despite obvious flaws, they are to be respected and sometimes even feared. Brockman, despite his physical limitations, is averaging two offensive rebounds and two defensive boards a game in just 12 minutes. He has one of the highest offensive rebound rates in the NBA and is No. 1 in rebound rate for all rookies.

            Hasheem Thabeet, Grizzlies | Rookie card
            Sure, as No. 2 picks go, Thabeet has done little. But the Grizzlies knew they were drafting a project and are determined to develop him one step at a time.

            Dave Joerger, one of the top young assistant coaches in the NBA, is doing everything he can to help Thabeet earn more minutes. Since Thanksgiving, Thabeet has played in every game and shown some positive signs.

            Serge Ibaka
            , Thunder | Rookie card
            In OKC's first seven games, Ibaka played a total of five minutes. Since then, he has played in 23 of its past 24 games, earning at least 11 minutes in all but four of those appearances. He's better at finishing inside now and his jumper is looking more polished. He also averages a block a game.

            As the Thunder continue to evolve, Ibaka can learn to be an energizing presence in the paint -- an important role on playoff-caliber teams.

            James Johnson, Bulls | Rookie card
            Johnson has appeared in 10 straight games, his longest streak of the season. He's still struggling as a shooter, but he's finding ways to attack the basket. With his size and athleticism, it would also be good to see him work the offensive glass more.

            Players like Johnson, who see themselves as polished offensive players, tend to make the mistake of overestimating their skills and underestimating their ability to make an impact with sheer physical talents.

            DeMar DeRozan
            , Raptors | Rookie card
            DeRozan is finding his way in Toronto, slowly but surely improving. Lately, he's put together a nice run, scoring 10 or more points in six of the Raptors' past 11 games as their starting 2-guard. In that span, he's made 41 of 69 shots.

            I compared him to Courtney Lee this past summer, and I still see the similarities (except for his current lack of range as a shooter). He plays under control despite being one of the youngest players in the NBA.

            Austin Daye, Pistons | Rookie card
            Most of the attention in Detroit has been on the Pistons' recent losing streak and their Swedish surprise, rookie Jonas Jerebko. But Daye, who is talented and only 21, has played in all but two games since November. He may not be ready to help the team win today, but this kind of consistent playing time gives him the chance to develop into a much better player next season. Or maybe even by March of this season.

            David Andersen, Rockets | Rookie card
            Houston has been one of the better stories of the first half of the season and Andersen has found a way to be a part of it despite shooting poorly from the field -- he's made just 8 of his last 37 3-point attempts. Any rookie getting quality minutes on a playoff team is worthy of mention.

            * Answer key: (1) b; (2) c; (3) d; (4) a.


            ROOKIE 50: WHO'S NO. 1?

            Tyreke Evans had a monster game against Denver on Saturday which included him hitting the game-winner over Kenyon Martin. And until Tuesday's game against Orlando, he had passed for at least five assists in each of the Kings' past five games. Because he played well during the past week and has been the best rookie overall this season, he is back in the top spot of our rankings. But it's closer than you think.

            Omri Casspi is going through his first shooting slump of the season, making just three of his last 14 3-pointers. But it's not much of a slump when you consider he's made 10 of 26 over his last five games. In that same span, he is also averaging 8.6 rebounds a game and has posted two double-doubles. He's becoming a far better all-around talent.

            Both Kings, however, are now facing a challenge from Ty Lawson, who scored 20-plus points in three straight games before turning his ankle and missing three straight games. If he returns to form soon, he'll be in the thick of this race. He is now second among rookies in PER behind Evans.

            Brandon Jennings, a top-two performer here all season, is falling fast. He's been awful in 2010, averaging just 10 ppg on 25.4 percent shooting. It will be interesting to see if he can recover quickly now that he's lost wingman Michael Redd for the season. A straight-shooting Jennings can easily get himself back into ROY contention.

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