I think this is very interesting. I love that we declined the deal, especially since they made it sound like it wasn't even close. Its good to know that Bird still wants to build around Granger, obviously showing the T-Mac rumor was a joke - even though we pretty much knew it anway, it still brought up a debate that can now be ended.
Also, I love the fact that the Pacers are making a push for Hickson in a Murphy/Z deal - hopefully Washington tries to keep Jamison, but this whole Arenas debacle probably hurt us in that regard. If the Wizards decide to keep him, the Cavs might panic and give up Hickson.
if that's true, I have no idea why the Pacers didn't jump on that deal. Granger and Jefferson are about on the same talent level, and you almost always take the big man over the wing.
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But this slam dunks the Granger-Tmac rumor, dead as Dillinger. Plus Jefferson doubles it because you get rid of one anchor and logjam the other unless they play Jeff at PF.
Now, Kevin Love...I'm listening. Listening, not doing. Just not hanging up instantly.
Wait, are you saying that you'd rather have Love than Jefferson for Granger?
Trading for Jefferson would almost certainly mean trading Hibbert. I can't imagine a scenario in which both would start together and we wouldn't get murdered defensively.
I would be more willing to listen to this if Jefferson wasn't coming off injury. Also, I think Bird sees Hibbert becoming a Jefferson level scorer in the post. Hibbert and Jefferson would not mesh on the same team.
"What's Al Jefferson's career 3pt average?" - Jim O'Brien
Nuntius was right. I was wrong. Frank Vogel has retained his job.
"A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."
As for this deal, I'm glad we rejected it. As mentioned above, Jefferson doesn't seem like the best fit, and he hasn't bounced back 100% from that knee injury he suffered last season.
This almost had to come out of the Indy camp. Morway or one of the PR guys at Conseco couldve almost wrote it.
It addresses any minor concerns Danny might have had with hearing his name mentioned in trade talks as well as laying out their position on the Cleveland trade for all to see-give us Hickson.
Now Kahn is going to have some work to do where Jefferson is concerned after that article. Jefferson isnt going to be too pleased reading that.
Lets hope the Murphy thing doesnt go the way of Tinsley last year where we come in second at the very end and end up stuck.
Another Bird blunder! You trade Granger in a heartbeat for Jefferson, and try to get Sessions as well. Geez Bird, use that head for something besides a hat rack. No wonder this team sux so badly, and fans are being turned off by it in droves.
AND yes, I'm a Jefferson fan, and wanted Jefferson when he was in Boston. Jefferson can play C or PF. He's a scorer, a rebounder, and should have made the Allstar team last year. Oops, I forgot he doesn't shoot 3's for Jimmy, and Granger does.
I'm glad this deal didn't happen, though I like the fact that there's a solid source mentioning the Pacers are talking to teams. The conversations are probably short though if they only involve Granger.
I'm truly interested to see what happens with Murphy. If the Cavs are truly interested in him, I really hope Bird finds a way to make it happen. Now I've heard the Cavs would only trade Z if they are able to resign him this season, meaning the trade partner would have to agree to release/buy out. For this reason I understand wanting to add a piece like Hickson, but if we can get out under Murphy's contract now, by simply doing a Murphy/Z swap.... why hold out and perhaps miss out if Jamison becomes available.
We'll still have expirings of Ford, Dunleavy and Foster to deal with, and it would immediately help our luxury tax situation next year.
"So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.
If indeed there is a problem between Jefferson and Love, maybe Jefferson is pleased to findout he's up for trade!
I can't imagine he'd be turning cartwheels to findout he'd had been traded to the Pacers.... another losing team that is just one step up from the T-Wolves.
Because he doesn't affect the game, just puts up great stats. He is an awful defender and doesn't make teammates better. I think he would be a great second fiddle, but if we are trading Granger, he becomes our #1 option.
Granger showed last year that he is capable of leading this team to victory - against top teams might I add, O'Brien is just screwing him up by turning him into a jumpshooter only. If Granger continues to be only a jumpshooter, I would say his offensive stats are hollow, but he can still defend - unlike Jefferson.
I would feel better with the ball in Granger's hands at crunch time. That's more important than just about anything else unless we are talking a top tier defensive player....and we are not. Keep Granger.
Kravitz: why is Roys numbers down this year?
Bird: Well its not Lance stealing his rebounds this year.
AND Granger does? By his stellar "D", his rebounding, his many assists, his great leadership, his super intangibles? Apparently you aren't remembering Granger's play b4 he got injured with his chippy attitude that reminds me of the child who is unhappy and is playing that way to show people their unhappiness. Have you forgotten all the complaints of those 3's he was shooting b4 the injury? I remember posting about his poor shooting of 41 and 35%. I'd say his points are pretty hollow myself.