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    There is a lot of talk out there about who is our second best or third best player.

    I would like to propose a way to evaluate our best players based on how good they are on offense and defense, on both sides of the court. Defense is half the game, right?

    My ratings on offense and defense are simply arbitrary but I will try to be as fair as possible. Feel free to give your own value and ranking

    Granger:
    Offense: 95
    Defense: 80
    Total: 175%

    DJones:
    Offense: 75
    Defense: 85
    Total: 160%

    Hibbert:
    Offense: 90
    Defense: 70
    Total: 160%

    Hansbrough:
    Offense: 80
    Defense: 75
    Total: 155%

    Head:
    Offense: 85
    Defense: 65
    Total: 150%

    Watson:
    Offense: 75
    Defense: 75
    Total: 150%

    SJones:
    Offense: 65
    Defense: 80
    Total: 145%

    AJ Price:
    Offense: 75
    Defense: 70
    Total: 145%

    Rush:
    Offense: 50
    Defense: 85
    Total: 135%

    Murphy:
    Offense: 90
    Defense: 40
    Total: 130%

    Foster:
    Offense: 40
    Defense: 90
    Total: 130%

    Dunleavy (current injured play)
    Offense: 70
    Defense: 60
    Total: 130%

    McRoberts:
    Offense: 50
    Defense: 75
    Total: 125%

    Ford:
    Offense: 80
    Defense: 40
    Total: 120

    Diener:
    Offense: 70
    Defense: 45
    Total: 115


    In review, that comes to:

    1. Danny Granger: 175%

    2. Dahntay Jones: 160%
    Roy Hibbert: 160%

    4. Tyler Hansbrough: 155%

    5. Luther Head: 150%
    Earl Watson: 150%

    7. Solomon Jones: 145%
    AJ Price: 145%

    9. Brandon Rush: 135%

    10. Troy Murphy: 130%
    Jeff Foster: 130%
    Mike Dunleavy: 130%

    13. Josh McRoberts: 125%

    14. TJ Ford: 120%

    15. Travis Diener: 115%


    This makes our second and third best players to be Roy Hibbert and Dahntay Jones.

    Murphy, Foster, and an injured Dunleavy are tied at tenth best.

    I think if you look at who played during our wins and losses, you'll find JOB using our tenth best players a good bit in our losses and our second and third best players a good bit in our wins.
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    Default Re: Who is our "second best player"?

    Most Valuable - Hibbert

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    Hibbert

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    wait you have Dieners and Duns offense at the same level? I would be hard pressed to think that also you should have an intangibles score. How many minutes do they play, there offensive rebounds, fouls per game, games where they had double figures, clutch shots, etc...I applaud your efforts in drawing this up it just seems like a lot of this to me is on empty numbers. I think AJs offensive number is too high. i think Solomon Jones defense number is too high. those were the two things that stuck out to me.

    But right now Hibbert is the second best player probably followed by an injured Dunleavy way behind that.

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    Default Re: Who is our "second best player"?

    its probably Murphy
    "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.



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    It's probably Larry Bird.

    I would rather be the hammer than the nail

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhondog28 View Post
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    wait you have Dieners and Duns offense at the same level?
    Injured Dunleavy has a terrible fg% and a bunch of turnovers. It was charity to rank him equal with Diener's excellent distribution, low turnover rate, and decent three point shooting.

    However, Dun's first few games back might look something like this:

    Offense: 90
    Defense: 75
    Total: 165

    I've always agreed with the sentiment that a healthy Dun is one of our best players.
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    When Hibbert is the focal point for offense, I think it goes like this.

    Danny is the best player on the team. Though that is definately not true all the time, such as last night. But for now,
    1. Danny.
    2. Hibbert
    3. Dahntay
    4. Rush
    5. AJ?

    I think having a solid post game, and inside outside action is key. Defense is what leads to the fast breaks. I swear that team would win alot of games if our coach would play them together and the right way.

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    If everyone is playing to what they're capable...

    I'm say Dunleavy is 2nd, followed by Hibbert, Hansbrough, and Rush

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    If everyone is playing to what they're capable...

    I'm say Dunleavy is 2nd, followed by Hibbert, Hansbrough, and Rush
    you forgot to use the green letters.......

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    WHEN he's healthy Dunleavy is the second best by far. Right now in regards to helping the team it's Hibbert. Murphy has the stats but he doesn't help us win.

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    WHEN he's healthy Dunleavy is the second best by far. Right now in regards to helping the team it's Hibbert. Murphy has the stats but he doesn't help us win.
    No way, Dunleavy is a great offensive player, but absolutely horrid on defense.

    I'd take Rush over Dunleavy just because he can play 2 ways, same with Dahntay.

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    Hibbert if JOB would play him down low.
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    Hungry Hungry Hibbert

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    Presently, it's Luther Head

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    No way, Dunleavy is a great offensive player, but absolutely horrid on defense.

    I'd take Rush over Dunleavy just because he can play 2 ways, same with Dahntay.
    I would take Dun right now in his form 100 times over Diener. I just cannot believe that if some of you were picking teams on a playground you all would choose diener over dun even with his current state that is just nuts in my opinion. But hey to each his own.

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    No way, Dunleavy is a great offensive player, but absolutely horrid on defense.

    I'd take Rush over Dunleavy just because he can play 2 ways, same with Dahntay.
    The same Brandon Rush that's shooting 38 percent and that has confidence issues? The same Dahntay Jones that is shooting 13 percent from three and has pretty much disappeared since the beginning of december?

    A healthy Dunleavy is 10x better than them two.

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    The same Brandon Rush that's shooting 38 percent and that has confidence issues? The same Dahntay Jones that is shooting 13 percent from three and has pretty much disappeared since the beginning of december?

    A healthy Dunleavy is 10x better than them two.
    I said can play 2 ways, not that they do. Dunleavy is incapable of playing defense.

    Also, Dunleavy is shooting 39% this season, so I don't see how you can say Brandon's 38% is a huge difference maker.
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    I've been digging around for Quarter by Quarter stats and finally found a site. This is a couple years old, but shows Troy Murphy's declining production as the game moves toward crunch time. Rebounds, FG%, 3%, everything slides....as I always knew intuitively.
    http://www.82games.com/QTR3S11.HTM
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    QtrGmMin+/-FgaFg%3p%FtaFt%PtsAst'dRebAst
    175638533.40.4510.3941.184%4.372%2.20.6
    273538-732.40.4140.40.673%2.772%1.90.7
    37551282.40.5280.483180%3.778%1.80.5
    461417-451.40.40.2980.673%1.882%1.70.6

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    Default Re: Who is our "second best player"?

    I would love to see a chart from this year, I imagine it is much more drastic

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    I would love to see a chart from this year, I imagine it is much more drastic
    What do you think a 29% from three does to a team that relies on him to score down the stretch? I suppose it amounts to 45% from the floor, but you sacrifice your PF from ever fighting for a board.

    Down the stretch, that is flat out suicide.
    LeWade are going down.

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    I said can play 2 ways, not that they do. Dunleavy is incapable of playing defense.

    Also, Dunleavy is shooting 39% this season, so I don't see how you can say Brandon's 38% is a huge difference maker.
    I said a HEALTHY Dunleavy. A HEALTHY Dunleavy is a decent, intelligent defender that is an ace on offense and is capable of great percentages.

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    I said a HEALTHY Dunleavy. A HEALTHY Dunleavy is a decent, intelligent defender that is an ace on offense and is capable of great percentages.
    A healthy Dunleavy is better than Troy in all aspects of the game except rebounding. How many times have you seen Dun get up from drawing a charge? Who is the one moving while shooting a midrange or trey...and who is the one with his feet planted in cement from beyond the arc?
    LeWade are going down.

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    I said a HEALTHY Dunleavy. A HEALTHY Dunleavy is a decent, intelligent defender that is an ace on offense and is capable of great percentages.
    Thats like saying a healthy JO would have won us a Championship. Problem is, he is never healthy anymore.

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    A healthy Dunleavy is better than Troy in all aspects of the game except rebounding. How many times have you seen Dun get up from drawing a charge? Who is the one moving while shooting a midrange or trey...and who is the one with his feet planted in cement from beyond the arc?
    Exactly.

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