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    Pacers need Bird to take bold action Bob Kravitz

    http://www.indystar.com/article/2010...ke-bold-action

    Bob Kravitz


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    OK, Larry Bird.
    Your mess, your time to clean it up.


    Everybody knows Bird, the Indiana Pacers president, has absolutely no desire to leave his office and coach the motley collection of talent he has cobbled together for this lost 2009-10 season. But he has no real choice, not as his team continues to circle the drain, losing by 20 points, playing with neither pride nor passion.


    Tuesday night against Orlando? Yes, an astonishing aberration, a 97-90 victory that came out of nowhere. A career night for Roy Hibbert, who outplayed All-Star Dwight Howard. A solid two-way effort x from Brandon Rush. A glimpse into what-might-be if only the Pacers came to play every night, as opposed to once every five games.


    It changes nothing.


    Bird needs to fire coach Jim O'Brien now -- even though, truth be told, this isn't completely O'Brien's fault.


    Bird needs to install himself as the coach.


    His mess, his cleanup.


    Larry, bring your ShamWow and some extra bleach. This isn't going to be pleasant.


    What are the alternatives? Owner Herb Simon isn't going to let Bird punt O'Brien, who has another year on his contract, and then hire another coach for big bucks. There's nobody on the coaching staff who is viewed as a workable long-term replacement. And staying with O'Brien now isn't -- or shouldn't -- be an option, not with this team mailing it in eight nights out of 10.


    Maybe it's a cosmetic change, maybe it qualifies as change-for-change's-sake, but something has to be done as this lost season slides into irrelevance.


    This team already has lost by double digits as often as it did all of last season. A 43-point loss at New York? Unforgivable. I don't care if you're undermanned and fatigued. Still, unforgivable.


    Let's see if Larry Legend can inspire Rush to do every night what he did Tuesday night. Let's see if Bird can bring T.J. Ford back from the emotional dead after a second straight season of losing his starting job. Let's see if he can continue to feed Hibbert, who has too often gotten lost in O'Brien's up-tempo offense.



    Let's not hear about Danny Granger's injury, how Troy Murphy and Jeff Foster have been in and out of the lineup, how Mike Dunleavy has struggled to return to form.


    The fact is, the Pacers were 6-12 and strangely listless even when Granger was in the lineup. The eyes don't lie: The Pacers aren't playing with one-third of the energy and passion they displayed the previous two seasons.


    Two weeks ago, Bird said O'Brien was going nowhere and if changes were necessary, he would send away his underachieving players -- which would leave him with a roster of, oh, three guys.


    While that sounds good -- see, Larry is holding the players accountable instead of pulling the plug on the coach!! -- it's unrealistic. You can punt the coach; you can't punt the players.


    Trade them away? Who wants them? Who wants Ford and the $17.million he's owed the next two years? Who wants Dunleavy's knees? Who wants anybody not named Granger?


    At least by shaking things up and making a change, Bird removes O'Brien as an excuse to underachieve.


    Ultimately, I don't know if this team will suddenly find religion and start playing with purpose if Bird takes over, but something has to be done. Because if not, all you're doing it taking the fans' money and entering the John Wall Sweepstakes.


    O'Brien walked into an impossible situation -- think Orlando's Stan Van Gundy made the right call when he turned down the Pacers' job? -- and Bird inherited a dysfunctional mess.


    He inherited a bad situation and did a good job jettisoning Jermaine O'Neal's contract. But there have been too many mistakes during the rebuilding process, too many errors for Simon to ignore as he contemplates Bird's future at season's end.


    The David Harrison selection. The Sarunas Jasikevicius signing. The Travis Diener signing. The empty draft featuring Shawne Williams and James White. The decision to draft Rush. The choice to let Jarrett Jack walk. And so on.


    The long-term plan makes sense: Develop young players and then surround them with expensive free agents in the summer of 2011. Except those young players aren't growing as they should. So either Bird hasn't selected the right players, or his coach hasn't done the job developing them -- which is why the guy who bought the groceries needs to cook the meal.


    If Bird can't turn Rush and Hibbert and the others into players, then it can be concluded that Bird missed on those picks, and he's not the executive you want making the big decisions in the future.


    Tuesday night was fun, an undermanned team overachieving against long odds, holding the Orlando trio of Howard, Vince Carter and Rashard Lewis to 21 points. But it was a Halley's Comet performance. Bird has to save this thing. And, in the process, save himself.


    I agree with Bob on this one.
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    Re: Pacers need Bird to take bold action Bob Kravitz

    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
    http://www.indystar.com/article/2010...ke-bold-action

    Bob Kravitz


    .

    OK, Larry Bird.
    Your mess, your time to clean it up.


    Everybody knows Bird, the Indiana Pacers president, has absolutely no desire to leave his office and coach the motley collection of talent he has cobbled together for this lost 2009-10 season. But he has no real choice, not as his team continues to circle the drain, losing by 20 points, playing with neither pride nor passion.


    Tuesday night against Orlando? Yes, an astonishing aberration, a 97-90 victory that came out of nowhere. A career night for Roy Hibbert, who outplayed All-Star Dwight Howard. A solid two-way effort x from Brandon Rush. A glimpse into what-might-be if only the Pacers came to play every night, as opposed to once every five games.

    It changes nothing.


    Bird needs to fire coach Jim O'Brien now -- even though, truth be told, this isn't completely O'Brien's fault.


    Bird needs to install himself as the coach.


    His mess, his cleanup.


    Larry, bring your ShamWow and some extra bleach. This isn't going to be pleasant.


    What are the alternatives? Owner Herb Simon isn't going to let Bird punt O'Brien, who has another year on his contract, and then hire another coach for big bucks. There's nobody on the coaching staff who is viewed as a workable long-term replacement. And staying with O'Brien now isn't -- or shouldn't -- be an option, not with this team mailing it in eight nights out of 10.


    Maybe it's a cosmetic change, maybe it qualifies as change-for-change's-sake, but something has to be done as this lost season slides into irrelevance.


    This team already has lost by double digits as often as it did all of last season. A 43-point loss at New York? Unforgivable. I don't care if you're undermanned and fatigued. Still, unforgivable.


    Let's see if Larry Legend can inspire Rush to do every night what he did Tuesday night. Let's see if Bird can bring T.J. Ford back from the emotional dead after a second straight season of losing his starting job. Let's see if he can continue to feed Hibbert, who has too often gotten lost in O'Brien's up-tempo offense.



    Let's not hear about Danny Granger's injury, how Troy Murphy and Jeff Foster have been in and out of the lineup, how Mike Dunleavy has struggled to return to form.


    The fact is, the Pacers were 6-12 and strangely listless even when Granger was in the lineup. The eyes don't lie: The Pacers aren't playing with one-third of the energy and passion they displayed the previous two seasons.


    Two weeks ago, Bird said O'Brien was going nowhere and if changes were necessary, he would send away his underachieving players -- which would leave him with a roster of, oh, three guys.


    While that sounds good -- see, Larry is holding the players accountable instead of pulling the plug on the coach!! -- it's unrealistic. You can punt the coach; you can't punt the players.


    Trade them away? Who wants them? Who wants Ford and the $17.million he's owed the next two years? Who wants Dunleavy's knees? Who wants anybody not named Granger?


    At least by shaking things up and making a change, Bird removes O'Brien as an excuse to underachieve.


    Ultimately, I don't know if this team will suddenly find religion and start playing with purpose if Bird takes over, but something has to be done. Because if not, all you're doing it taking the fans' money and entering the John Wall Sweepstakes.


    O'Brien walked into an impossible situation -- think Orlando's Stan Van Gundy made the right call when he turned down the Pacers' job? -- and Bird inherited a dysfunctional mess.


    He inherited a bad situation and did a good job jettisoning Jermaine O'Neal's contract. But there have been too many mistakes during the rebuilding process, too many errors for Simon to ignore as he contemplates Bird's future at season's end.


    The David Harrison selection. The Sarunas Jasikevicius signing. The Travis Diener signing. The empty draft featuring Shawne Williams and James White. The decision to draft Rush. The choice to let Jarrett Jack walk. And so on.


    The long-term plan makes sense: Develop young players and then surround them with expensive free agents in the summer of 2011. Except those young players aren't growing as they should. So either Bird hasn't selected the right players, or his coach hasn't done the job developing them -- which is why the guy who bought the groceries needs to cook the meal.


    If Bird can't turn Rush and Hibbert and the others into players, then it can be concluded that Bird missed on those picks, and he's not the executive you want making the big decisions in the future.


    Tuesday night was fun, an undermanned team overachieving against long odds, holding the Orlando trio of Howard, Vince Carter and Rashard Lewis to 21 points. But it was a Halley's Comet performance. Bird has to save this thing. And, in the process, save himself.


    I agree with Bob on this one.
    how is he praising rush and calling him a busted draft pick all in the same article??? give rush a chance he's only in his 2nd year. and at this point i don't think a coaching change would help too much. but i agree jim needs to go........NOW!!!!!
    Last edited by sportfireman; 01-06-2010, 09:49 AM.
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    Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the esteem of Elohim,
    Ephisians 4: 32 And be kind towards one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as Elohim also forgave you in Messiah.

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    • #3
      Re: Pacers need Bird to take bold action Bob Kravitz

      He makes some good points here, but Kravitz also tries (once again) to play the "hindsight genius" with things like the David Harrison pick (wasn't he at the end of the 1st round; expecting a franchise player there?) or Sarunas not panning out (other teams were quite interested in him as well), which is why I absolutely can't stand him. What about getting Granger and Hibbert with mid-1st round picks? AJ Price could also turn into a steal. There are major things Bird needs to sort out, which includes the coaching and underachieving situation, but there have been some very positive moves by Bird as well, especially regarding cleaning out the behavior problem players.

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      • #4
        Re: Pacers need Bird to take bold action Bob Kravitz

        The irony of Sarunas, as I see it, is he would have fit into JOB's system extremely well. Up tempo, no apparent organization, 3 point shots and a tall active inside player is what SJ needed for success. He just didn't have it under Carlisle.

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        • #5
          Re: Pacers need Bird to take bold action Bob Kravitz

          This is what bugs me about the article - from what I hear and see, Bird appears to have some real back problems that would not suit the lifestyle of an NBA coach. I would like to know if A) that is the case, and B) if Kravitz knows this and called him out anyway to coach.

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          • #6
            Re: Pacers need Bird to take bold action Bob Kravitz

            Yesthecabbageis couldn't bring the ball up the court under pressure and couldn't guard anyone, sorry, but that was a miss. Not a club altering one, but still a miss.

            Bird hasn't been perfect, but I think all of the salary cap crap was not his doing or that's my impression. That is the thing they are still paying for, that and the other thing (not mentioning it) is the reason for all of the problems they have now.

            Bird made mistakes, but not big ones. And he's made some very nice moves as well, imo.

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            • #7
              Re: Pacers need Bird to take bold action Bob Kravitz

              It looks to me like Kravitz wrote this a couple days ago, then Orlando happened. Oops.
              "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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              • #8
                Re: Pacers need Bird to take bold action Bob Kravitz

                I've voted no for replacing O'Brien.

                I don't think he's a bad coach. I think he's stubborn. (Okay, his stubbornness can make him bad.)

                But, with last night's game providing some hope, I'm thinking that JOB may finally get it: that Roy is in fact a game changer, that he needs to move toward more of a halfcourt offense, that the personnel that is bringing him more defense and more wins needs to stay out on the floor.

                If JOB can get over this stubborn streak and turn over a new leaf, then I am willing to see him stay on as coach.
                Last edited by McKeyFan; 01-06-2010, 09:04 AM.
                "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                • #9
                  Re: Pacers need Bird to take bold action Bob Kravitz

                  Yeah, this article was written around Sunday night, early to mid yesterday. I was forewarned about this article.

                  Kravitz only shows up to a few games a season and is never at any practices. He sees the stat lines and reads what Mike Wells writes in his Insider Blogs.

                  Shame on you, Bob. Way to be a journalist.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Pacers need Bird to take bold action Bob Kravitz

                    Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                    I've voted no for replacing O'Brien.

                    I don't think he's a bad coach. I think he's stubborn. (Okay, his stubbornness can make him bad.)

                    But, with last night's game providing some hope, I'm thinking that JOB may finally get it: that Roy is in fact a game changer, that he needs to move toward more of a halfcourt offense, that the personnel is bringing him more defense and more wins needs to stay out on the floor.

                    If JOB can get over this stubborn streak and turn over a new leaf, then I am willing to see him stay on as coach.
                    It's just a temporary thing. He will put Murphy back into big minutes just as soon as he can... and he will run home to his uptempo offense and defensive lip service at the same time. Unless Bird forces him to go this direction, we've already been down this road before. We know how the story ends.

                    I'm not sure I want him replaced though. He never should've started the season, but now that he has, I think we should let him help in the lottery sweepstakes. My concern is, we've had too many lost seasons in a row where we should've done that (played for the lottery and player development). Instead we've tried to overachieve our way into the playoffs (of a weak conference) to the point we've hurt ourselves in the long term more than helped and ultimately put ourselves in this position where the Pacers could end up in another city/state.

                    If we need ticket sales to start heading the other direction then either O'Brien needs his hand forced to go away from his preferred offense and defense (and players) or else we need a coaching change just to give some red meat to the masses. As well as signal to all of Pacerdom that the status quo was not an acceptable product.

                    I do think the diehards will understand a youth movement and even a lottery run with the light at the end of the tunnel of both. I think it's underestimating them to not believe that. But I don't know if the franchise can withstand another lost season in the midst of the current franchise negotiations and current economic climate.
                    Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                    "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

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                    • #11
                      Re: Pacers need Bird to take bold action Bob Kravitz

                      Oh... and under no circumstances should O'Brien remain the coach one day past the final day of the season....
                      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Pacers need Bird to take bold action Bob Kravitz

                        I think Bob gets all his ideas from reading PD. I guess that to a certain extent is a complement to the posters here. It would be nice if we read something with more depth and
                        presented some idea based on info we cannot readily see.
                        I really see little point in dumping OBrien during the season. It would be a waste of money
                        and probably the waste of another coach who came in.
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                        • #13
                          Re: Pacers need Bird to take bold action Bob Kravitz

                          Originally posted by Bball View Post
                          It's just a temporary thing. He will put Murphy back into big minutes just as soon as he can... and he will run home to his uptempo offense and defensive lip service at the same time. Unless Bird forces him to go this direction, we've already been down this road before. We know how the story ends.
                          I fear the same thing. But I'm hoping against hope.

                          I wouldn't have thought he would completely bench TJ, but he did. That gives me a glimmer of hope. (Btw, why does JOB go from starters minutes to complete benching? Does he not have the ability to be moderate? Kinda nutty.)

                          Originally posted by Bball View Post
                          I'm not sure I want him replaced though. He never should've started the season, but now that he has, I think we should let him help in the lottery sweepstakes. My concern is, we've had too many lost seasons in a row where we should've done that (played for the lottery and player development). Instead we've tried to overachieve our way into the playoffs (of a weak conference) to the point we've hurt ourselves in the long term more than helped and ultimately put ourselves in this position where the Pacers could end up in another city/state.
                          I think you may be contradicting yourself here. Do you want JOB as coach so we'll continue to tank? Do you want him to develop the young players? (you say he won't).

                          One or the other.

                          I guess you could be saying: Bird should mandate he plays the youngins, and with JOB as coach we will be sure to tank.

                          I think it would be easier to just fire him and have a replacement that is sure to develop young players.

                          I'm sticking with my hope that JOB may finally see the light. And in his own intemperate way will go from playing Troy 35 mpg to putting him in street clothes with a dunce cap and choke collar.
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                            Re: Pacers need Bird to take bold action Bob Kravitz

                            Originally posted by Bball View Post
                            It's just a temporary thing. He will put Murphy back into big minutes just as soon as he can... and he will run home to his uptempo offense and defensive lip service at the same time. Unless Bird forces him to go this direction, we've already been down this road before. We know how the story ends.

                            If Murphy comes back to big minutes you can count on the top 5 pick range. Also I wounder if this is approved by Bird to help get that high pick or in order to promote Murphy to other teams in the league.
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                              Re: Pacers need Bird to take bold action Bob Kravitz

                              Originally posted by owl View Post
                              If Murphy comes back to big minutes you can count on the top 5 pick range. Also I wounder if this is approved by Bird to help get that high pick or in order to promote Murphy to other teams in the league.
                              This gets interesting and complex.

                              Because it appears that this could be going from the actual negative impact Troy brings to line up to the perhaps bigger psychological impact he makes on several other players.

                              It's not a stretch to believe that several players think pretty similarly to the five game win streak club here on the forum. So that means, as soon as Murph gets put in the game, the several players we have from stellar coaching regimes like Duke, NC, Kansas and Georgetown—who all know what good basketball looks like—have the wind taken out of their psychological sails. I know it happens to me, and I'm just watching TV.
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