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    Well sure, but the Raptors turned around and flipped JO for Shawn Marion, whose contract expired last year.

    That's the big kicker to me. If the Pacers had managed the situation better, they could have had a deal that put them in an even better position.
    the toronto-miami deal was actually jo + moon + pick for marion and banks. contrast that with what we got for jo = tj + rasho (expiring) + pick. so toronto actually spent 2 first round picks in flipping j.o. for marion. considering marion was a half season rental, that's not exactly great value.

    so obie played tj basically to showcase him. how long before we find that troy is being showcased too? i mean both players are at the absolute bottom in plus-minus, which we know obie values. if sitting tj gives the team "the best chance to win", wouldn't that be true for benching troy as well?

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    Get out from under the other 12 million that JO is being paid right now. I mean when we got TJ, it would be hard to predict he'd be in as bad a place is he is right now.

    What I don't understand is, if you knew you don't like TJ at all, why not keep Jack, who you did really like?

    I mean I get the length of contract and not wanting to lose finacial flexibility and the not going over the luxury tax, but still.

    I mean, they knowingly went into the season, without a starting caliber Point Guard. Maybe this is a tank season.

    Even if you signed Jack to that same contract as Toronto did, you just know if they got a better point guard down the line, Jack would step aside as the starter and actually help the new guy.

    It just seems to me, that they really didn't have a plan for the Point Guard position and now that is bearing fruit.

    Think about it, they knew they didn't like TJ. They knew Deiner was hurt and not the answer at starter, anyway. They knew AJ wasn't a starter, right now, or even a back up, during the summer. They knew Head was a combo guy. They knew Earl Watson was a career back up, who got benched last year on a (not good yet) Okla City team.

    I know it's easy for me to sit here, after the start they've had and be critical, but going back to July and August, I still don't get the plan for this year.

    Side Note: the quotes from Obie and Bird saying how they expect a big year from TJ this year, makes more sense now. Shows you that you can't believe hardly anything they say, it was all posturing to increase his trade value. Weak attempt at that, for sure.

    Side Note-part II- TJ knows they are shopping him hard, remember the weird Tweet around draft day about him potentially being traded?
    To add to that, why didn't they draft a PG in possibly the strongest PG draft ever? I mean, I didn't do research, but you have Jennings, Flynn, Rubio, Lawson, Maynor, Evans, Mills, Teague, ect.

    I've said all along, I'm a big Hansbrough fan, but it didn't make sense to draft a PF this year. This year had a strong PG class, next year has a strong PF class. Now we are stuck without a PG and very little hope of getting one, as there won't be a solid option at our pick - where there will be about 5 possible PF's. Now we have Hansbrough and getting a PF doesn't make as much sense.

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    To add to that, why didn't they draft a PG in possibly the strongest PG draft ever? I mean, I didn't do research, but you have Jennings, Flynn, Rubio, Lawson, Maynor, Evans, Mills, Teague, ect.

    I've said all along, I'm a big Hansbrough fan, but it didn't make sense to draft a PF this year. This year had a strong PG class, next year has a strong PF class. Now we are stuck without a PG and very little hope of getting one, as there won't be a solid option at our pick - where there will be about 5 possible PF's. Now we have Hansbrough and getting a PF doesn't make as much sense.
    I'm with you on that. I don't understand a single thing our franchise does. I really don't. If you look at any other team in the league, I can tell you where they are going and who they are building around. Our youth is what we're suppose to be building around, and while Roy has done well, so has Brook Lopez in New Jersey, and while Lopez is a good player my point is your progression when you're on a bad team can be somewhat inflated.

    I think TPTB look at whoever is in the draft, and Larry Bird picks the player that he likes the most. May sound good, but instead of picking a player that fits what the team needs, he picks someone that he likes on a personal level. Personal relationships are what has made Jim O'Brien so entrenched here.

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    I LOL at this part:

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    Indiana has been trying to trade Ford for "years," an NBA source told ESPN.com on Sunday night as Ford sat out the entire 48 minutes and Indiana was steamrolled 132-89 by the New York Knicks. "Not weeks. Not months. Years," the source said.
    I know it's not great to laugh at our misfortune....but the way it was said is very funny ....if not telling and depressing
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    "T.J is struggling in some areas," O'Brien said. "We're not spacing the court with him, he's only made one 3-pointer [in 28 attempts],
    Note to JO'B from Captain Obvious:

    Ford has never been a good 3pt shooter....he never was one when he was with the Bucks...the Raptors and certainly not one as a Pacer.

    This is one thing I do not like about JO'Bs insistance about taking the 3pt shot.....it doesn't matter that Players aren't a good 3pt shooter....he'd much rather the team as a whole ( as evidenced by Inferno, Ford and McRoberts....none of which are remotely good at taking 3pt shots ) take a bad 3pt jumpshot then take any other shot that the Player is good at taking.

    A friend of mine that follows the Warriors told me about a story with Nellie and Monta. Nellie ( another Coach fond of the 3pt shot ) saw that Monta was struggling with the 3pt shot...which Monta never had any real problem with in High School. Nellie eventually figured out that although Monta had no problem with taking a 3pt shot from the High School level....he didn't have much as much range to take and hit it from the NBA 3pt line on a consistent basis. So, what did Nellie do? instead of forcing Monta to continually take a bad 3pt shot....he simply told Monta to take a 3pt shot ONLY if he had an absolute open look. If he didn't, then Nellie told him to take a step closer to the basket and take the type of shot that he was comfortable hitting. Sure, it was a 2pt attempt...but Nellie would prefer that his Players take shots that they are comfortable and good at taking ( and therefore have a higher chance of hitting ) then take a bad shot in the first place.

    The moral of the story here? Sometimes it's better to adjust your style of Coaching rather then have a Player do something that they are simply not good at doing. To me, this means that when it comes to players that simply aren't good at ( nor should be ) taking 3pt shots.....tell them not to take any 3pt shots. If we had the caliber of Players that are good enough that can learn and adjust to JO'Bs style of play...then I'd be okay with what JO'B insists that we do on the offensive end. But since we don't.....I feel that there has to be a certain level of flexibility on the Coaching end to adjust to the strengths and weaknesses of our roster. We simply do not have enough talent to go with a "My Way or the Highway" mentality when it comes to Coaching.
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    Kinda hard to have been trying to trade Ford for "years," when you've only had the guy for 18 months.

    For years?? My 1st thought this morning reading this on Realgm was does the writer not know Ford came here the summer of 08!! Apparrently not.

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    For years?? My 1st thought this morning reading this on Realgm was does the writer not know Ford came here the summer of 08!! Apparrently not.
    You guys need to rise above the technicalities.

    We've been trying to trade him for a long time. As long as we've had him. Maybe you have something to contribute toward the spirit of the comment.
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    This all just highlights how important the point guard position is to a teams success. I pray this franchise can get a sold point guard who can stabilize our team for years going forward. Is Price that guy?

    It is interesting that no one wants TJ, his contract and his reputation for causing chemistry problems are making it hard on us to move him. You would think someone would want him, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

    Back to the mindset of waiting for the end of the 2011 season. Any changes sooner would be a blessing, but I am not expecting anything. And you know he (Ford) is going pick-up that player option as well for next season, no one is giving him 8 million a year going forward, so he will take it.

    The problem for us is that we just can't have him on the bench and not play him. We already sat on a point guard (TINS) for a year and continue to have his money on our books. I think you have to find a way to play him and show his value. Is it really wise to leave him on the bench at 8 million? I know a lot say yes, so that we can play the young guys, and I tend to agree. But you have to at least get some value from him. Maybe we would rather wait it out and not play him, but that just seems like bad business to me.
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    Note to JO'B from Captain Obvious:

    Ford has never been a good 3pt shooter....he never was one when he was with the Bucks...the Raptors and certainly not one as a Pacer.

    This is one thing I do not like about JO'Bs insistance abour taking the 3pt shot.....it doesn't matter that Players aren't a good 3pt shooter....he'd much rather the team as a whole ( as evidenced by Inferno, Ford and McRoberts....none of which are remotely good at taking 3pt shots ) take a bad 3pt jumpshot then take any other shot that the Player is comfortable with.

    A friend of mine that follows the Warriors told me about a story with Nellie and Monta. Nellie ( another Coach fond of the 3pt shot ) saw that Monta was struggling with the 3pt shot...which Monta never had any real problem with in High School. Nellie eventually figured out that although Monta had no problem with taking a 3pt shot from the High School level....he didn't have much as much range to take and hit it from the NBA 3pt line on a consistent basis. So, what did Nellie do? instead of forcing Monta to continually take a bad 3pt shot....he simply told Monta to take a 3pt shot ONLY if he had an absolute open look. If he didn't, then Nellie told him to take a step closer to the basket and take the type of shot that he was comfortable hitting. Sure, it was a 2pt attempt...but Nellie would prefer that his Players take shots that they are comfortable and good at taking ( and therefore have a higher chance of hitting ) then take a bad shot in the first place.

    The moral of the story here? Sometimes it's better to adjust your style of Coaching rather then have a Player do something that they are simply not good at doing. To me, this means that when it comes to players that simply aren't good at ( nor should be ) taking 3pt shots.....tell them not to take any 3pt shots. If we had the caliber of Players that are good enough that can learn and adjust to JO'Bs style of play...then I'd be okay with what JO'B insists that we do on the offensive end. But since we don't.....I feel that there has to be a certain level of flexibility on the Coaching end to adjust to the strengths and weaknesses of our roster. We simply do not have enough talent to go with a "My Way or the Highway" mentality when it comes to Coaching.
    O'Brien has said time and again that he wants TJ attacking on the break and focusing on the pull up jump shot that is his most effective weapon.

    This season, Ford has taken 28 of his 264 shots have been 3-pters, or about 10.6%. He's only taken more than one 3PA in 8 of 31 games. In his tenure under O'Brien, 132 of his 1177 shots, or 11.2% have been threes. Prior to coming here, 245 of his 2,613 career shots were from beyond the arc, or about 9.4%. The difference between his historic 9.4 and his 11.2 here would equate to 22 more threes, or one extra attempt in every five games played.

    This is in a league where 22% of all FGA's are threes.

    O'Brien has also mentioned the problems created by the fact that the guys who can shoot the three (Danny, Mike, Brandon, Luther, Earl, and early on, Troy) but are not hitting at a high enough rate. The defenses will continue to sag back in as long as we remain towards the bottom of the league in eFG% and 3pt%.

    The two players whose games are most damaged by the team's inability to space the floor are Roy Hibbert and TJ Ford.

    Hibbert suffers because the defense can sag into his lap, cutting off passing lanes into the post and providing easy double teams and digs. Ford suffers because there's no room for him to get inside the defense and take the shots he wants to take (and O'Brien wants him to take.) Ford, in some ways, has become the canary in the coal mine on this offense. When the shooting gets toxic, his game falls over dead.

    O'Brien is not saying that Ford is being benched, because he can't hit threes. He's commenting on the fact that a guy who last year shot a marginal, but acceptable .337 from long range has only made a ridiculously bad 1 in 28 tries. Jeff Foster has made 6 in 50 attempts, and you know most of those were desperation heaves.

    Therefore, if his teammates can't help him by creating space, and he can't help himself, then what's the point of having him out there? Further, if the defense can simply watch TJ dribble the ball on the perimeter, and TJ is prone to just dribbling the ball on the perimeter, then his presence on the floor becomes gangrenous to the rest of the offense. The ball stops moving, and the players stop moving, and the Pacers stop scoring.

    This has nothing to do with trying to force a player (TJ) to take shots he's doesn't like or can't hit because of some dogmatic approach. This is entirely about the fact that TJ can't get to where he's effective, Obie and his teammates can't get TJ to where he's effective, and the repeated attempts have done more harm than good.
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    So I'm guessing the rumor that we shot down a Felton for Ford swap were pure hogwash?
    If we believe the source. But...
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    Kinda hard to have been trying to trade Ford for "years," when you've only had the guy for 18 months.
    ... makes me wonder if the source confused Ford for Tinsley or something.

    Regardless, if this is true, I'd feel better about the franchise. If Bird's really been trying to move him this whole time, then maybe I do trust his judgment a bit.
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    the toronto-miami deal was actually jo + moon + pick for marion and banks. contrast that with what we got for jo = tj + rasho (expiring) + pick. so toronto actually spent 2 first round picks in flipping j.o. for marion. considering marion was a half season rental, that's not exactly great value.
    I don't care whether Toronto made a bad deal, I care whether the Pacers did.

    That's sort of dubious accounting to include both picks. They traded a pick to get O'Neal, then one to get rid of him. Bad moves by the Raptors, but at the end of the day, the choice could basically be summed up as:

    1. O'Neal
    2. Hibbert, Ford, Baston, Rasho
    3. Marion, Banks, $3M cash and sending a lottery protected pick (through 2015) back to the Heat.

    I'd happily give up the heavily protected pick and Hibbert to get a year of Marion (which could have been fun) and an extra $11M or so in savings (which is the net difference between the Ford package and the Marion/Banks/Cash package that was traded for O'Neal.

    I understand it's not a great choice either way, but this team needs to be very prudent with its money, and I think the reality of the situation is they could have gotten more savings but actually believed Ford would be useful to them.

    They were wrong. That's about all there is to say about it.

    so obie played tj basically to showcase him. how long before we find that troy is being showcased too? i mean both players are at the absolute bottom in plus-minus, which we know obie values. if sitting tj gives the team "the best chance to win", wouldn't that be true for benching troy as well?
    Probably not so much after the Knicks game.

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    You guys need to rise above the technicalities.

    We've been trying to trade him for a long time. As long as we've had him. Maybe you have something to contribute toward the spirit of the comment.
    I've been mulling over ways to get rid of Ford, and the only sort of useful thing I can come up with is that perhaps they could trade him to the Knicks for Eddy Curry.

    The reasoning is that the Knicks want to get rid of Curry to create more cap space this summer. And because he's terrible. But they supposedly want to be rid of him so badly that they'll include some of their young players to do so. A trade of something like Curry, Jordan Hill and Tony Douglas for Ford, Diener and one of our minimum salary guys would create an extra $6.5M in cap space for them.

    For us, we'd get two rookie prospects for that extra $6.5M. Perhaps we could get the Knicks to throw in some cash to sweeten the deal.

    Even if the Knicks would be willing, we'd still face the problem that we can't add $6.5M to next year's salary. We're already projected to be a $1M or so over the estimated luxury tax. So a pre-cursor to a deal like this would be figuring out how to unload Murphy for an expiring contract. Unless we do that, we couldn't take back more money for Ford (or anyone else).

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    I don't care whether Toronto made a bad deal, I care whether the Pacers did.

    That's sort of dubious accounting to include both picks. They traded a pick to get O'Neal, then one to get rid of him. Bad moves by the Raptors, but at the end of the day, the choice could basically be summed up as:

    1. O'Neal
    2. Hibbert, Ford, Baston, Rasho
    3. Marion, Banks, $3M cash and sending a lottery protected pick (through 2015) back to the Heat.

    I'd happily give up the heavily protected pick and Hibbert to get a year of Marion (which could have been fun) and an extra $11M or so in savings (which is the net difference between the Ford package and the Marion/Banks/Cash package that was traded for O'Neal.

    I understand it's not a great choice either way, but this team needs to be very prudent with its money, and I think the reality of the situation is they could have gotten more savings but actually believed Ford would be useful to them.

    They were wrong. That's about all there is to say about it.



    Probably not so much after the Knicks game.
    I wouldn't trade Hibbert alone for any of those packages.

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    We all know that the plan over this past summer was to trade Ford and re-sign Jack. But when it became evident that no one really wanted Ford and Jack got a little bigger contract than I think the Pacers expected - they decided to let Jack go and keep Ford for now. I'm sure O'Brien was none-too-happy
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    Default Re: Source tells ESPN.com that Pacers have been trying to trade Ford for years.

    I'm commenting more about Ford ( in general ) as opposed to any reasons as to why he was benched ( which I know is not because of his horrendous 3pt shooting ). If his 3ptA in Indy is on par with what his career average is...and the reason why he's taking any 3pt shots at all is because of the Player as opposed to the Coach....then I'd hope that JO'B would discourage this as much as he can ( which I guess he's doing ). I guess my whole point is that I'm suggesting that Ford ( much less any other player that isn't good at it ) shouldn't take any 3pt shots at all.

    Any comments from JO'B regarding Ford "scoring woes" would have made more sense if he said the very things that you mention in your post:

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    This is entirely about the fact that TJ can't get to where he's effective, Obie and his teammates can't get TJ to where he's effective, and the repeated attempts have done more harm than good.
    As opposed to this specific comment about his 3pt shooting, your comments makes far more sense to explain the difference in Ford's performance this season as opposed to the last.
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    You guys need to rise above the technicalities.

    AND the writer needs to show credibility in his writing by having his facts straight.

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    I've been mulling over ways to get rid of Ford, and the only sort of useful thing I can come up with is that perhaps they could trade him to the Knicks for Eddy Curry.

    The reasoning is that the Knicks want to get rid of Curry to create more cap space this summer. And because he's terrible. But they supposedly want to be rid of him so badly that they'll include some of their young players to do so. A trade of something like Curry, Jordan Hill and Tony Douglas for Ford, Diener and one of our minimum salary guys would create an extra $6.5M in cap space for them.

    For us, we'd get two rookie prospects for that extra $6.5M. Perhaps we could get the Knicks to throw in some cash to sweeten the deal.

    Even if the Knicks would be willing, we'd still face the problem that we can't add $6.5M to next year's salary. We're already projected to be a $1M or so over the estimated luxury tax. So a pre-cursor to a deal like this would be figuring out how to unload Murphy for an expiring contract. Unless we do that, we couldn't take back more money for Ford (or anyone else).

    I like the idea, in theory, but I'm ready to ride out the salary crap legacy, unless there is something better available. I guess if you thought any of those youngsters could be the answer here, you'd entertain it. Mostly, though I want any remnant of those previously poison contracts gone.
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    Default Re: Source tells ESPN.com that Pacers have been trying to trade Ford for years.

    How many years is 18 months?

    I think its two, with a little bit of "rounding."

    That is plurar, isn't it? They learnt me English at Greenwood, so I aint the bestest at it. But I don't see the problem.

    PS - who's to say that they weren't shopping him in advance of trading for him in the first place with the understanding that the Toronto deal was the best they could get for JO?
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    How many years is 18 months?

    I think its two, with a little bit of "rounding."

    That is plurar, isn't it? They learnt me English at Greenwood, so I aint the bestest at it. But I don't see the problem.

    PS - who's to say that they weren't shopping him in advance of trading for him in the first place with the understanding that the Toronto deal was the best they could get for JO?
    It sure seems like years.

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    trade ford???? who would want him? and what could we get for him? another ****ty point gaurd? pacers are shooting for wall i guess. the same way cleveland did for lebron...

    it is the only scenario that makes sense. otherwise larry would be biting at the bit to fire JOB. he doesnt like failure. when it cuts to his face during games it looks like he is bout to slap the taste outta JOB's mouth.

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    Default Re: Source tells ESPN.com that Pacers have been trying to trade Ford for years.

    Who would want him? Not sure, maybe a really good team who has a really good starting point guard, but no back-up. Of course if they are a really good team, they probably won't want to pay Ford's salary - unless they have a couple of bad contracts they want to dump.

    Magic? Seems like Nelson gets injured often. Is Ford better than Williams>
    Celtics?
    Cavs - No
    Hawks - No

    Nugs - No
    Lakers - no - he doesn't fit that offense
    Spurs - I doubt it

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    Who would want him? Not sure, maybe a really good team who has a really good starting point guard, but no back-up. Of course if they are a really good team, they probably won't want to pay Ford's salary - unless they have a couple of bad contracts they want to dump.

    Magic? Seems like Nelson gets injured often. Is Ford better than Williams>
    Celtics?
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    Hawks - No

    Nugs - No
    Lakers - no - he doesn't fit that offense
    Spurs - I doubt it
    The Magic last year was the first team I thought of. Bird almost unloaded Tinsley to them for Reddick at the deadline and then they got Skip to my Lou, instead.

    So, I mean it's possible, just depends on what you get back.

    Again, I'd rather ride out the salary legacy than make a bad trade, but continuing to try to move him and actually moving him is possible.

    I'd say if like what happening recently in Portland with their Centers, happened with someone's point guards, you could do something pretty nice.

    I'd also suspect TJ will be back playing soon. I hope not at AJ's expense, but TJ not playing isn't actually working either. Obie's gotta keep trying to throw stuff out there at this point.

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    PS - who's to say that they weren't shopping him in advance of trading for him in the first place with the understanding that the Toronto deal was the best they could get for JO?
    So you don't buy the "Pacers turned down TJ for Felton" story.
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    Default Re: Source tells ESPN.com that Pacers have been trying to trade Ford for years.

    The Pacers need to look around for some way to save a bit of money for some team.

    This is along the same lines as my idea with the Knicks.

    Last week the Hornets tried to offload Devin Brown on the TWolves to save themselves $1.4M bucks. They're over the cap by about $3M, so that would have saved them $1.4M in tax payments plus the salary savings.

    So how's about this:
    Hornets send MoPete, Songaila, Hilton Armstrong
    Pacers send Ford, Jones, Head

    This saves $1.3M for the Hornets in team salary. If they dump Luther Head by January 10, it saves them $2.15M. Since they're over the cap, that's $2.15M they don't have to pay the league. It gets them a step closer to being completely under the tax too.

    For us, the actual cost in extra salary is approx $800k I think. Which sort of sucks, but it has several benefits
    1. It gets rid of TJ, who is going to be a problem if he sits around not playing.
    2. It gets us out of the last two years of D. Jones' ill conceived deal.
    3. I think it mildly helps on the court if we consider Songaila and MoPete might be mildly useful.
    4. MoPete's herpes comes free of charge.
    5. The cap ramifications for next year are pretty much nil. We pay slightly less (100k) than we were before.

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    Default Re: Source tells ESPN.com that Pacers have been trying to trade Ford for years.

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    Who would want him? Not sure, maybe a really good team who has a really good starting point guard, but no back-up. Of course if they are a really good team, they probably won't want to pay Ford's salary - unless they have a couple of bad contracts they want to dump.

    Magic? Seems like Nelson gets injured often. Is Ford better than Williams>
    Celtics?
    Cavs - No
    Hawks - No

    Nugs - No
    Lakers - no - he doesn't fit that offense
    Spurs - I doubt it
    How happy is Miami with a PG rotation of a struggling (and benched) Chalmers, Arroyo and Quinn? I know the ball is in Wade's hands quite a bit but they might want that type of offensive spark off the bench for a playoff run. TJ for QRich might work and make sense -- we're one team he's never been traded to before.

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