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  • #16
    Re: Pacers lose to Knicks-Post Game

    Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
    Not a huge shocker as the thin front line led DJones to playing a lot of physical ball and the other 3 bigs getting serious tough minutes last night. They looked gassed down the stretch vs Minny, then got on a plane for NY to play again still minus a big or two (you don't need 6 normally, but 4 or 5 is reasonable).

    Watson is getting run way too much. I agree that Ford has issues and that it's good to start getting Price some PT, but no Ford at all seems a bit extreme. Then again Diener has returned so maybe it's not so critical.

    Rush was gassed for sure as was Solo. No lift on shots or inside play.


    It's good to get the kids in, but if you are truly going without Troy or Ford, and have Foster, Granger and Tyler out then your depth is pretty thin. Say you flip up some roles here, say McBob with Troy and Price with Ford. Well tonight would be when those non-rotation guys would normally play a bit with fresh legs, shine and help carry the main guys along.

    The problem here is we are now using those guys and have nothing behind them to give them their own boost.

    I mean it's a bit weird that you don't play Ford at all tonight unless there were some words behind the scene and this is an unpublished suspension rather than a rotation choice. It's a 40 pt game, you normally clear the bench and toss your normal rotation minutes out the door partially to give guys extra rest for the next one.
    The ridiculous mentality that a guy who isn't doing well just disappears instead of having his minutes greatly diminished shows the kind of guy JOB is. He just wanted to humiliate Ford rather than help the team. So the team was more embarrassed by having Ford sit.
    It could have been anticipated that once the team wrapped up the win last night they would need some energy tonight.
    Last edited by speakout4; 01-03-2010, 09:33 PM.

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    • #17
      Re: Pacers lose to Knicks-Post Game

      Ugly ugly game. 5 out of 30 3's for 16%. I realize many were shot trying to cut the large deficent, but 16%. I was really surprised the Pacers FG % was 40%. It seemed a lot lower than that. Lets hope the Pacers give Orlando a better game than they just gave the Knicks. Just a disgusting game to have watched.

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      • #18
        Re: Pacers lose to Knicks-Post Game

        Our "winning" combination strikes again!
        Report: 82% Of Wiseguys Think They're Real Funny

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        • #19
          Re: Pacers lose to Knicks-Post Game

          Originally posted by MrSparko View Post
          Our "winning" combination strikes again!
          Hansbrough didn't play so it doesn't count. He adds so much to the group.

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          • #20
            Re: Pacers lose to Knicks-Post Game

            The guys looked totally gassed all game and we had some weird match-ups out there too in terms of people playing out of position on both sides of the ball. Painful to watch.
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            • #21
              Re: Pacers lose to Knicks-Post Game

              Originally posted by JGray View Post
              Wow I missed this entire game, looks like I didn't miss much besides Diener's return. How did he look?
              I think that we found the problem.......without Diener we won 29% of our games ( 9-22 ) games......with Diener we have won 0% of our games.
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              • #22
                Re: Pacers lose to Knicks-Post Game

                Wow, we deserve better than this.

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                • #23
                  Re: Pacers lose to Knicks-Post Game

                  Originally posted by Sookie View Post
                  um wow..didn't expect that. I thought the team would at least show a little effort.

                  Watson, Watson was tired. Clearly. And you can't expect and aging point guard, who has played way too many minutes in the past couple of games, including the game last night, he's not going to perform well.

                  They scored 89 points, it was the defense that was an issue. But when you have Rush guarding a power forward and Price guarding a 6'10 player ect..(who has to absolutely hate the Garden at this point), it shows how much the coach cares about defense.

                  However, the offense should run through Hibbert. When quick shots go up, misses, it just made NY score easier. If we slow the game down, and run the offense through Hibbert, they'll be a better defensive team too.

                  Overall just ick. We might ahve gotten our Murphy excuse though, rebounding. Hopefully, Tyler comes back first, and he can rebound..if not, we'll have Murphy.

                  Ford, I'm hoping this didn't give JOB a Ford excuse either.

                  Granted, it's not like we haven't lost by around 40 before, we did against Miami too.

                  Anyway..on to Orlando on Tuesday..oi..
                  Ok here is the problem. Our players were gassed I will give you that. But NYs bigs absolutely manhandled Hibbert. Our team had to adapt to what NY was doing. Hibbert is not quick nor athletic enough to take their bigs. Coach D knew we were going to try and run the plays through Hibbert. He collapsed both Lee and Gallinari on him and Hibbert couldnt do anything. He is an average to barely above average center. I know some posters love Hibbert, but to me that says more to how actually bad we are than anything else. Hibbert on most teams would be like a Dampier without the rebounding. On this team he is the focus. I am not trying to be a Debbie Downer but I call it like I see it and what I see is a young player who relies on pure emotion to have a good game and when he gets taken by more athletic guys he just folds.
                  JOB is a silly man

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                  • #24
                    Re: Pacers lose to Knicks-Post Game

                    Originally posted by jhondog28 View Post
                    Ok here is the problem. Our players were gassed I will give you that. But NYs bigs absolutely manhandled Hibbert. Our team had to adapt to what NY was doing. Hibbert is not quick nor athletic enough to take their bigs. Coach D knew we were going to try and run the plays through Hibbert. He collapsed both Lee and Gallinari on him and Hibbert couldnt do anything. He is an average to barely above average center. I know some posters love Hibbert, but to me that says more to how actually bad we are than anything else. Hibbert on most teams would be like a Dampier without the rebounding. On this team he is the focus. I am not trying to be a Debbie Downer but I call it like I see it and what I see is a young player who relies on pure emotion to have a good game and when he gets taken by more athletic guys he just folds.
                    You gotta give Hibbert the customary "three-year big man development" plan. His offense is showing a lot of promise, and he is surely playing in an offensive system that is not suited for his strengths to shine through. He'll pan out better than "average," not worried about that at all. The fact that he cares as much as he does and seems to have such a good work ethic to compliment that positive energy, is more than enough for me currently. All of our young guys have me intrigued in some way. It's not like we're going to be good this year, we know that by now. Let's just let the bright spots give us hope for the future. I'll form my definitive opinion on this team after this summer when the direction is more clear, the way this year is going we really have no idea what our team may even look like for next season, give it some time. I'm not condoning losing, but i'm not blind enough to miss the positives in our young core. Look out for AJ if we ever get a decent coach.
                    Roy Hibbert.... It's the POWER!!!

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                    • #25
                      Re: Pacers lose to Knicks-Post Game

                      Originally posted by jhondog28 View Post
                      Ok here is the problem. Our players were gassed I will give you that. But NYs bigs absolutely manhandled Hibbert. Our team had to adapt to what NY was doing. Hibbert is not quick nor athletic enough to take their bigs. Coach D knew we were going to try and run the plays through Hibbert. He collapsed both Lee and Gallinari on him and Hibbert couldnt do anything. He is an average to barely above average center. I know some posters love Hibbert, but to me that says more to how actually bad we are than anything else. Hibbert on most teams would be like a Dampier without the rebounding. On this team he is the focus. I am not trying to be a Debbie Downer but I call it like I see it and what I see is a young player who relies on pure emotion to have a good game and when he gets taken by more athletic guys he just folds.
                      He could have passed out. And Hibbert only got ten touches, he had 7 assists and zero turnovers..that means he did in fact know what to do with it.

                      We should have tried to force NY to play "our game" *which, our game, should be feed Hibby* Instead of trying to run with them..when we played a game last night..

                      But no, we go small. The post rotation should have simply been Hibbert/Josh/Solo. I'm sorry, but a Solo/Hibbert front court is better than a Shooting guard/Center front court.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Pacers lose to Knicks-Post Game

                        Originally posted by jhondog28 View Post
                        Ok here is the problem. Our players were gassed I will give you that. But NYs bigs absolutely manhandled Hibbert. Our team had to adapt to what NY was doing. Hibbert is not quick nor athletic enough to take their bigs. Coach D knew we were going to try and run the plays through Hibbert. He collapsed both Lee and Gallinari on him and Hibbert couldnt do anything. He is an average to barely above average center. I know some posters love Hibbert, but to me that says more to how actually bad we are than anything else. Hibbert on most teams would be like a Dampier without the rebounding. On this team he is the focus. I am not trying to be a Debbie Downer but I call it like I see it and what I see is a young player who relies on pure emotion to have a good game and when he gets taken by more athletic guys he just folds.
                        He did have 7 assists, so I can't complain. I still believe he's the key for Indiana once Granger comes back.


                        Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                        • #27
                          Re: Pacers lose to Knicks-Post Game

                          Originally posted by jmoney2584 View Post
                          You gotta give Hibbert the customary "three-year big man development" plan. His offense is showing a lot of promise, and he is surely playing in an offensive system that is not suited for his strengths to shine through. He'll pan out better than "average," not worried about that at all. The fact that he cares as much as he does and seems to have such a good work ethic to compliment that positive energy, is more than enough for me currently. All of our young guys have me intrigued in some way. It's not like we're going to be good this year, we know that by now. Let's just let the bright spots give us hope for the future. I'll form my definitive opinion on this team after this summer when the direction is more clear, the way this year is going we really have no idea what our team may even look like for next season, give it some time. I'm not condoning losing, but i'm not blind enough to miss the positives in our young core. Look out for AJ if we ever get a decent coach.
                          I never did question his work ethic or desire to become a good player. He may well develop into a good player, but his weaknesses will keep him from developing into anything more than a Dampier. He has very slow foot speed. Once he gets stopped he loses confidence and loses his coordination and tends to travel a ton. Without good perimiter defenders he is a foul away from going to the bench for tons of minutes. He has to play in a half court style. He is not a very good rebounder for his heigth. Not to mention with more and more 7 footers coming into the league he will need to develop things he just cannot do. Such has lateral quickness and leaping ability to become successful.
                          JOB is a silly man

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                          • #28
                            Re: Pacers lose to Knicks-Post Game

                            Originally posted by Sookie View Post
                            He could have passed out. And Hibbert only got ten touches, he had 7 assists and zero turnovers..that means he did in fact know what to do with it.

                            We should have tried to force NY to play "our game" *which, our game, should be feed Hibby* Instead of trying to run with them..when we played a game last night..

                            But no, we go small. The post rotation should have simply been Hibbert/Josh/Solo. I'm sorry, but a Solo/Hibbert front court is better than a Shooting guard/Center front court.
                            We dont have the heigth to rebound the ball. When your 7 footer is not a good rebounder it is hard to slow the other team down. They grab the rebound and run. You want to play half court with Hibbert as the focus against David Lee? That to me should not be the game plan. Lee would have demolished Hibbert in the paint. He may be shorter but is stronger and a better athlete. If we went half court they would have immediatley targeted Hibbert in the paint and taken him out of the game with fouls.
                            JOB is a silly man

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                            • #29
                              Re: Pacers lose to Knicks-Post Game

                              Listen I like Hibbert but I am not as high on him as most people are on this board. To me this team is so bad that he looks so much better than he actually is.
                              JOB is a silly man

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                              • #30
                                Re: Pacers lose to Knicks-Post Game

                                Here is a note from rotoworld, fantasy website.

                                http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pla...rt=NBA&id=1153


                                Nate Robinson-G-Knicks Jan. 3 - 9:13 pm et

                                Nate Robinson followed his 41-point performance on Friday with a 2-of-11 shooting dud, going for six points, six rebounds, and three assists in 22 minutes as the Knicks destroyed the Pacers on Sunday.
                                The sad part for Nate's owners is that he may have gotten as much run as he did only because the Knicks carried a massive 48-point lead at one point, but we're not going to judge him until they play a real NBA team. What is certain is that Friday did not mark the beginning of the Lil' Him era just yet.

                                Ouch!

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