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    Not too early to start this.

    The Pacers have been embarrassed tonight, but I have to say they looked exhausted about two minutes into the game.

    Have to credit the Knicks for firing on all cylinders. Also, a lot of credit goes to D'Antoni and his coaching/scouting staff. The Knicks exposed every one of our flaws tonight. Very impressive.

    As tired as our team is, there's no excuse for this. Watson was atrocious.

    Strange stat of the night: Hibbert-7 assists, 0 turnovers.
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    LOL. This one hurts. Can't say that I thought that we would win, but to willingly bend over and take it in the *** hurts after doing it 5-6 times.
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    Way to go Jim, you may have just put our franchise back another 4+ years.

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    Not too early to start this.

    The Pacers have been embarrassed tonight, but I have to say they looked exhausted about two minutes into the game.

    Have to credit the Knicks for firing on all cylinders. Also, a lot of credit goes to D'Antoni and his coaching/scouting staff. The Knicks exposed every one of our flaws tonight. Very impressive.

    As tired as our team is, there's no excuse for this. Watson was atrocious.

    Strange stat of the night: Hibbert-7 assists, 0 turnovers.
    You could have started this after the first quarter and been alright, no worries.

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    It seems strange to me that none of the troy haters have tried to explain why we are giving up all these points and troy is not even playing. I guess maybe its time to realize troy murphy's defense isn't the main problem with this team.

    I think it is time to just blame the coaching staff. We look really bad.
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    Wow I missed this entire game, looks like I didn't miss much besides Diener's return. How did he look?

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    the knicks game mvp: the pacers

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    Not a huge shocker as the thin front line led DJones to playing a lot of physical ball and the other 3 bigs getting serious tough minutes last night. They looked gassed down the stretch vs Minny, then got on a plane for NY to play again still minus a big or two (you don't need 6 normally, but 4 or 5 is reasonable).

    Watson is getting run way too much. I agree that Ford has issues and that it's good to start getting Price some PT, but no Ford at all seems a bit extreme. Then again Diener has returned so maybe it's not so critical.

    Rush was gassed for sure as was Solo. No lift on shots or inside play.


    It's good to get the kids in, but if you are truly going without Troy or Ford, and have Foster, Granger and Tyler out then your depth is pretty thin. Say you flip up some roles here, say McBob with Troy and Price with Ford. Well tonight would be when those non-rotation guys would normally play a bit with fresh legs, shine and help carry the main guys along.

    The problem here is we are now using those guys and have nothing behind them to give them their own boost.

    I mean it's a bit weird that you don't play Ford at all tonight unless there were some words behind the scene and this is an unpublished suspension rather than a rotation choice. It's a 40 pt game, you normally clear the bench and toss your normal rotation minutes out the door partially to give guys extra rest for the next one.
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    Should we give Diener a look as starting point guard? He certainly has something at point guard that nobody else on our roster has - stability. As his stats show, he never turns the ball over. Sure his defense isn't great (it is scrappy) but everything he does on offense is a plus, especially if his shot is falling.

    I'm NOT saying we should do this right now, but if he looks good and his toe isn't bothering him, he definitely deserves a look.

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    It seems strange to me that none of the troy haters have tried to explain why we are giving up all these points and troy is not even playing. I guess maybe its time to realize troy murphy's defense isn't the main problem with this team.
    This is what I feared would happen.


    There are a lot of problems with our defense right now. Dunleavy and Head on the wings doesn't cut it. Solo, Roy and Josh are foul prone. It's very easy to pick on our team right now because there are so many ways to attack us. Adding Murphy to the mix only gives opponents one more option.

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    Diener tees up his jumpers now.
    "I keep wondering the same thing. Last week they had the 4th worst record in the league, had an 11.9 percent chance of winning the lottery and were in line to land a franchise type player like Derrick Favors or DeMarcus Cousins. This week? They have a 1.7 percent chance of winning the lottery, have the 8th worst record and are in line to draft Cole Aldrich or Greg Monroe. Way to go Jim O'Brien. Rest Danny Granger the rest of the season (if it isn't too late) and give Josh McRoberts lots of minutes. That ought to do it." - Chad Ford on winning meaningless games

    Way to go Jim, you may have just put our franchise back another 4+ years.

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    That was painful to watch, but I still enjoyed not having to watch Ford or Murphy. Yes I said it.

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    um wow..didn't expect that. I thought the team would at least show a little effort.

    Watson, Watson was tired. Clearly. And you can't expect and aging point guard, who has played way too many minutes in the past couple of games, including the game last night, he's not going to perform well.

    They scored 89 points, it was the defense that was an issue. But when you have Rush guarding a power forward and Price guarding a 6'10 player ect..(who has to absolutely hate the Garden at this point), it shows how much the coach cares about defense.

    However, the offense should run through Hibbert. When quick shots go up, misses, it just made NY score easier. If we slow the game down, and run the offense through Hibbert, they'll be a better defensive team too.

    Overall just ick. We might ahve gotten our Murphy excuse though, rebounding. Hopefully, Tyler comes back first, and he can rebound..if not, we'll have Murphy.

    Ford, I'm hoping this didn't give JOB a Ford excuse either.

    Granted, it's not like we haven't lost by around 40 before, we did against Miami too.

    Anyway..on to Orlando on Tuesday..oi..
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    Go Pacers...

    or don't, which would be preferable, I guess.

    Time to go for some shot clock era records for field goal percentages, average margins of victory, and more...for our opponents.

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    It seems strange to me that none of the troy haters have tried to explain why we are giving up all these points and troy is not even playing. I guess maybe its time to realize troy murphy's defense isn't the main problem with this team.

    I think it is time to just blame the coaching staff. We look really bad.
    This game was a product of having no bench at all and playing on a back-to-back against a team that just beat the Hawks and have gone 9-5 the last 14. Combine that with the fact it is one of the worst matchups in the league because we have no 6'7"-6'9" athletic players on this team...and New York has several that are very experienced. Combine that with David Lee being one of the worst match-ups for Hibbert in the league.

    None of this means you should play Troy Murphy 35 minutes a game and expect him to help in most games. The fact is, this team is still 6-3 without our starting PF in the lineup.

    Edit: but yes, the coaching staff failed miserably to employ an offensive scheme that could take advantage of a huge mismatch on our side. Roy should be able to score or get some great ball movement going off double teams....but they obviously do not stress that style of play.
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    Not a huge shocker as the thin front line led DJones to playing a lot of physical ball and the other 3 bigs getting serious tough minutes last night. They looked gassed down the stretch vs Minny, then got on a plane for NY to play again still minus a big or two (you don't need 6 normally, but 4 or 5 is reasonable).

    Watson is getting run way too much. I agree that Ford has issues and that it's good to start getting Price some PT, but no Ford at all seems a bit extreme. Then again Diener has returned so maybe it's not so critical.

    Rush was gassed for sure as was Solo. No lift on shots or inside play.


    It's good to get the kids in, but if you are truly going without Troy or Ford, and have Foster, Granger and Tyler out then your depth is pretty thin. Say you flip up some roles here, say McBob with Troy and Price with Ford. Well tonight would be when those non-rotation guys would normally play a bit with fresh legs, shine and help carry the main guys along.

    The problem here is we are now using those guys and have nothing behind them to give them their own boost.

    I mean it's a bit weird that you don't play Ford at all tonight unless there were some words behind the scene and this is an unpublished suspension rather than a rotation choice. It's a 40 pt game, you normally clear the bench and toss your normal rotation minutes out the door partially to give guys extra rest for the next one.
    The ridiculous mentality that a guy who isn't doing well just disappears instead of having his minutes greatly diminished shows the kind of guy JOB is. He just wanted to humiliate Ford rather than help the team. So the team was more embarrassed by having Ford sit.
    It could have been anticipated that once the team wrapped up the win last night they would need some energy tonight.
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    Ugly ugly game. 5 out of 30 3's for 16%. I realize many were shot trying to cut the large deficent, but 16%. I was really surprised the Pacers FG % was 40%. It seemed a lot lower than that. Lets hope the Pacers give Orlando a better game than they just gave the Knicks. Just a disgusting game to have watched.

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    The guys looked totally gassed all game and we had some weird match-ups out there too in terms of people playing out of position on both sides of the ball. Painful to watch.
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    Wow I missed this entire game, looks like I didn't miss much besides Diener's return. How did he look?
    I think that we found the problem.......without Diener we won 29% of our games ( 9-22 ) games......with Diener we have won 0% of our games.
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    Wow, we deserve better than this.

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    um wow..didn't expect that. I thought the team would at least show a little effort.

    Watson, Watson was tired. Clearly. And you can't expect and aging point guard, who has played way too many minutes in the past couple of games, including the game last night, he's not going to perform well.

    They scored 89 points, it was the defense that was an issue. But when you have Rush guarding a power forward and Price guarding a 6'10 player ect..(who has to absolutely hate the Garden at this point), it shows how much the coach cares about defense.

    However, the offense should run through Hibbert. When quick shots go up, misses, it just made NY score easier. If we slow the game down, and run the offense through Hibbert, they'll be a better defensive team too.

    Overall just ick. We might ahve gotten our Murphy excuse though, rebounding. Hopefully, Tyler comes back first, and he can rebound..if not, we'll have Murphy.

    Ford, I'm hoping this didn't give JOB a Ford excuse either.

    Granted, it's not like we haven't lost by around 40 before, we did against Miami too.

    Anyway..on to Orlando on Tuesday..oi..
    Ok here is the problem. Our players were gassed I will give you that. But NYs bigs absolutely manhandled Hibbert. Our team had to adapt to what NY was doing. Hibbert is not quick nor athletic enough to take their bigs. Coach D knew we were going to try and run the plays through Hibbert. He collapsed both Lee and Gallinari on him and Hibbert couldnt do anything. He is an average to barely above average center. I know some posters love Hibbert, but to me that says more to how actually bad we are than anything else. Hibbert on most teams would be like a Dampier without the rebounding. On this team he is the focus. I am not trying to be a Debbie Downer but I call it like I see it and what I see is a young player who relies on pure emotion to have a good game and when he gets taken by more athletic guys he just folds.

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    Ok here is the problem. Our players were gassed I will give you that. But NYs bigs absolutely manhandled Hibbert. Our team had to adapt to what NY was doing. Hibbert is not quick nor athletic enough to take their bigs. Coach D knew we were going to try and run the plays through Hibbert. He collapsed both Lee and Gallinari on him and Hibbert couldnt do anything. He is an average to barely above average center. I know some posters love Hibbert, but to me that says more to how actually bad we are than anything else. Hibbert on most teams would be like a Dampier without the rebounding. On this team he is the focus. I am not trying to be a Debbie Downer but I call it like I see it and what I see is a young player who relies on pure emotion to have a good game and when he gets taken by more athletic guys he just folds.
    You gotta give Hibbert the customary "three-year big man development" plan. His offense is showing a lot of promise, and he is surely playing in an offensive system that is not suited for his strengths to shine through. He'll pan out better than "average," not worried about that at all. The fact that he cares as much as he does and seems to have such a good work ethic to compliment that positive energy, is more than enough for me currently. All of our young guys have me intrigued in some way. It's not like we're going to be good this year, we know that by now. Let's just let the bright spots give us hope for the future. I'll form my definitive opinion on this team after this summer when the direction is more clear, the way this year is going we really have no idea what our team may even look like for next season, give it some time. I'm not condoning losing, but i'm not blind enough to miss the positives in our young core. Look out for AJ if we ever get a decent coach.
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    Ok here is the problem. Our players were gassed I will give you that. But NYs bigs absolutely manhandled Hibbert. Our team had to adapt to what NY was doing. Hibbert is not quick nor athletic enough to take their bigs. Coach D knew we were going to try and run the plays through Hibbert. He collapsed both Lee and Gallinari on him and Hibbert couldnt do anything. He is an average to barely above average center. I know some posters love Hibbert, but to me that says more to how actually bad we are than anything else. Hibbert on most teams would be like a Dampier without the rebounding. On this team he is the focus. I am not trying to be a Debbie Downer but I call it like I see it and what I see is a young player who relies on pure emotion to have a good game and when he gets taken by more athletic guys he just folds.
    He could have passed out. And Hibbert only got ten touches, he had 7 assists and zero turnovers..that means he did in fact know what to do with it.

    We should have tried to force NY to play "our game" *which, our game, should be feed Hibby* Instead of trying to run with them..when we played a game last night..

    But no, we go small. The post rotation should have simply been Hibbert/Josh/Solo. I'm sorry, but a Solo/Hibbert front court is better than a Shooting guard/Center front court.

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