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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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  • #1

    The Gilbert Arenas and his guns thread

    So why did they change the name from the Bullets to the Wizards again?

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgns


    Arenas probe centers on locker-room standoff
    Adrian Wojnarowski

    By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports 9 hours, 29 minutes ago

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    An NBA investigation into Washington Wizards star Gilbert Arenas’(notes) possession of guns inside the team’s locker room has been linked to a confrontation with teammate Javaris Crittenton(notes), multiple sources told Yahoo! Sports.

    The league’s ongoing probe hopes to determine whether Arenas had accessed any of his unloaded firearms while engaged in the dispute prior to a team practice at the Verizon Center on Dec. 21 in Washington. Tensions between Arenas and Crittenton escalated because of a festering disagreement between the two players, sources said.

    Arenas told reporters on Tuesday the District of Columbia police also are investigating the circumstances under which he brought the guns to the arena. The D.C. police issued a statement on Wednesday saying they were assisting the U.S. Attorney’s Office in a joint investigation into “an allegation that weapons were located inside a locker room at the Verizon Center.” The statement did not name any individuals.
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    Wizards point guard Gilbert Arenas
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    The district has stringent gun laws that prohibit the carrying of weapons, openly or concealed.

    The NBA is expected to wait to see if the law enforcement agencies file charges before the league acts. NBA security has been working with the Wizards to investigate the matter. Team officials had immediately reported the incident to the league office, and have been cooperating with law enforcement authorities.

    Several league sources believe NBA commissioner David Stern ultimately will mete out stiff penalties in the matter. Both Arenas and Crittenton could be subject to suspensions and fines.

    After CBSSports.com broke the story of the league’s investigation into Arenas’ gun possession on Dec. 24, the Wizards issued a statement saying Arenas had stored three unloaded firearms in a locked box inside his Verizon Center locker. Arenas has said he removed the guns from his home to keep them away from his three young children.

    When asked by reporters Tuesday night whether he had showed his weapons to anyone in the locker room, Arenas said, “Yes, I showed them to someone. I showed them to team security when I handed them to them and said give them to the police. Yes, I took them out of this locker room. I had to take them out to get them out of here to give to security.”

    Arenas said the investigation began two weeks ago. “They just wanted to know where I got [the guns] from,” he said, “and make sure they’re not dirty guns.”

    Arenas, who turns 28 next week, is a three-time All-Star and is in the second season of a six-year, $111 million contract with the Wizards.

    Crittenton, who turned 23 Thursday, hasn’t played this season for the Wizards, rehabbing from preseason foot surgery. He was the 19th pick in the 2007 NBA draft out of Georgia Tech and played for the Los Angeles Lakers and Memphis Grizzlies before being traded to Washington early last season.

    This investigation has been yet another blow to what the Wizards had hoped would be a renaissance season. So far, disharmony has reigned in the Wizards’ 10-20 start. The locker room has been marred with friction between Arenas and the coaching staff and players. Arenas had missed most of the past two seasons with injuries, and his return had raised expectations the Wizards would be strong playoff contenders in the Eastern Conference again.

    The Wizards are active in trade talks with multiple teams, league sources said, and willing to trade any player on their roster.
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  • #2
    Re: Gilbert Arenas drew a gun at Javaris Critterton

    Well if the Pacers could acquire Arenas, it would be a renaissance of sorts here in Indy. Back to the good ole Tinsley and Jackson days.
    The Most Common Cause of Stress is Dealing with Idiots

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    • #3
      Re: Gilbert Arenas drew a gun at Javaris Critterton

      He drew a gun on a teammate? I'd take Tinsley back on a max deal before getting Arenas.

      NBA players need to get smart and realize they don't need to hang out in the hood or have a bunch of guns anymore after they start making millions of dollars.

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      • #4
        Re: Gilbert Arenas drew a gun at Javaris Critterton

        Now again why do the Pacers need Arenas? Besides not needing his albatross contract, the Pacers don't need this type of player AGAIN!

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        • #5
          Re: Gilbert Arenas drew a gun at Javaris Critterton

          gilbert arenas might be the most untradeable player in the nba...ernie grunfeld (even though he is a former vol) has no business keeping his job as GM either. He traded a top 5 pick for two scrubs while giving gilbert the worst contract in the nba. not good. now this

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          • #6
            Re: Gilbert Arenas drew a gun at Javaris Critterton

            Originally posted by themayhem87 View Post
            gilbert arenas might be the most untradeable player in the nba...ernie grunfeld (even though he is a former vol) has no business keeping his job as GM either. He traded a top 5 pick for two scrubs while giving gilbert the worst contract in the nba. not good. now this
            All somewhat true, but hindsight is 20/20.

            At the time of his re-signing Arenas was one of the most popular athletes in Washington DC. The fans loved him here. At that time, it seemed to me that it was impossible to predict he would be this injury prone and his much of a problem around his teammates. Common argument in DC was that the fans would have been quite angry if he were let go and it would have hurt the team's bottom line, because people would literally come to Wizards games just to see Arenas.

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            • #7
              Re: Gilbert Arenas drew a gun at Javaris Critterton

              I am pleased to note that there were no comparisons drawn to any former Pacers in this article. There probably will be when the punishments are handed out, but for now we have escaped any mention, which is a small testament to the progress we have made.

              Even without this, Arenas was not worth his contract, and I am glad that this (hopefully) seals the deal and keeps him from coming here.

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              • #8
                Re: Gilbert Arenas drew a gun at Javaris Critterton

                If he was untradeable due to his contract, imagine how hard it will be to move him now.

                If they want to make changes, it'll have to be to move Butler or Jamison.

                Wonder if they would do Murph for Jamison. They won't lose much stats wise, they make about the same, except Murph is a year shorter

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                • #9
                  Re: Gilbert Arenas drew a gun at Javaris Critterton

                  I take back everything I ever said about this bum. This guy is nuts. Forget him, I thought he'd be the most realistic EC trade pickup, but there is no way Bird takes that hot garbage.

                  Josh Howard
                  Kevin Martin
                  Greg Oden
                  Elton Brand
                  Devin Harris
                  Ricky Rubio
                  Monta Ellis

                  Its pretty much down to these guys at the trade deadline next year.
                  "I keep wondering the same thing. Last week they had the 4th worst record in the league, had an 11.9 percent chance of winning the lottery and were in line to land a franchise type player like Derrick Favors or DeMarcus Cousins. This week? They have a 1.7 percent chance of winning the lottery, have the 8th worst record and are in line to draft Cole Aldrich or Greg Monroe. Way to go Jim O'Brien. Rest Danny Granger the rest of the season (if it isn't too late) and give Josh McRoberts lots of minutes. That ought to do it." - Chad Ford on winning meaningless games

                  Way to go Jim, you may have just put our franchise back another 4+ years.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Gilbert Arenas drew a gun at Javaris Critterton

                    I'm just remembering the JO to LA rumors with some Pacers fans drooling over JC being a throw in to the deal, and some Lakers fans insisting JC was untouchable.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Gilbert Arenas drew a gun at Javaris Critterton

                      Originally posted by pwee31 View Post
                      If they want to make changes, it'll have to be to move Butler or Jamison.

                      Wonder if they would do Murph for Jamison. They won't lose much stats wise, they make about the same, except Murph is a year shorter
                      Don't toy with my emotions like that.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Gilbert Arenas drew a gun at Javaris Critterton

                        Originally posted by Thesterovic View Post
                        I take back everything I ever said about this bum. This guy is nuts. Forget him, I thought he'd be the most realistic EC trade pickup, but there is no way Bird takes that hot garbage.

                        Josh Howard
                        Kevin Martin
                        Greg Oden
                        Elton Brand
                        Devin Harris
                        Ricky Rubio
                        Monta Ellis

                        Its pretty much down to these guys at the trade deadline next year.
                        Devin Harris, please! Kevin Martin too, if we must!

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                        • #13
                          Re: Gilbert Arenas & Javaris Critterton drew guns on each other

                          Another argument for the need in non-guaranteed contracts in the NBA....
                          Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Gilbert Arenas & Javaris Critterton drew guns on each other

                            its an argument for not signing mentally unstable people to $100 million contracts.

                            At the very most, maybe an amendment making certain acts grounds for termination, such as bringing a gun into a locker room.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Gilbert Arenas & Javaris Critterton drew guns on each other

                              Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                              At the very most, maybe an amendment making certain acts grounds for termination, such as bringing a gun into a locker room.
                              This is something I think is sorely needed in the next CBA. It's one thing if you **** up and give a guy too much money for his play, but if that guy is doing non-basketball things that hurt your franchise, you should have an eject button of some kind in those scenarios. And not just "well, he was convicted" like it seems to be now.

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